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That said, I don't recall an insanely disproportionate number of male to female goons in either DA:O or DA2.
Don't be silly. Everybody knows that men are the disposable gender, and to add insult to injury feminists claim that men are sent to die in wars because they love it so much. So of course we're primarily going to slaughter faceless men.
Even if the enemy count was overwhelmingly in favor of male NPCs, that's appropriate for the setting anyway. The important thing about isolating real sexism from the benign is that women aren't portrayed intentionally negative. IE: No Female protagonist option, No Female Companions as anything other than slutty rogues or timid mages, absence of female power representation... All those I can at least accept an argument, but not something as arbitrary as the enemy NPC ratio, especially when we know so little about the factions that populate the enemy list.
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I find social justice warriors irritating but I feel like the term gets over used. It's not meant to describe people who are rational and interested in having a serious conversation. You can't call someone a SJW just because they bring up a feminist issue.
I played origins not long ago, i remember many comments of surprise that my warden was female... from "I Didn't know the Wardens accepted women" all the way to Stens "women dont fight"
It seems at least in ferelden the numbers should be in favor of the male, women and men might be equal in skills and str in this setting, but maybe not in opportunity.
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More enemy variety is nice, Mass Effect, DA:O and DAII have done this. Mass Effect 2 particularly.
Don't be silly. Everybody knows that men are the disposable gender, and to add insult to injury feminists claim that men are sent to die in wars because they love it so much. So of course we're primarily going to slaughter faceless men.
In all seriousness, the disposable male stereotype is harmful. I don't like the term misandry because, like its distaff counterpart it has become a rallying cry for the ignorant, but there are legitimate examples of it, the disposable male being the most ubiquitous.
I don't think it is a result of malice on Bioware's part, though. Because the re-use of models, each enemy type will be designed with one gender in mind, so they can by copied and pasted ad infinitum. A good example of this is Cerberus in Mass Effect 3; Guardians, Centurions, Engineers and Shocktroopers are all male (despite the fact that a female model for these enemies could be created to add some variety), and the (more scarce) non cannon-fodder enemies like Nemeses and Phantoms are all female.
I suspect gender is seen as a design choice when deciding on the models for the enemies, making them all recognizable (such as creating recognizable factions such as the Venatori and Red Templars), or, dare I say, more cosplay-friendly. They have kind of shot themselves in the foot though, however in a way that most people (that have "valid and worthwhile opinions") will overlook. I wouldn't expect anything to change.
Maybe when they finish off that to-do list that Tumblr gave them they will start looking into this issue. 
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i believe ppl just post crap to get there post count up an to see how much they can annoy ppl, going by previous BioWare games there is no need for this topic or the worry, for me the topic is not about concern as is more to get a reaction and a few pages of attention
Will depend on the background of the groups and so on, like if your fighting dwarves doubt you should see many female fighters and so on.
And if your fighting big nasty high dragons, your fighting a female.
So long has everything fits the lore it works.
if you think that the ratio of faceless mooks matters then you need something else to occupy your attention
Even if the enemy count was overwhelmingly in favor of male NPCs, that's appropriate for the setting anyway.
The fact that most people on this thread who disagree aren't questioning my points and having a discussion, but ether resorting to name calling (SJWs) or childish meme posting how's that the problem is one of apathy.
People would prefer to ignore things like this even if they mean a lot to people and wouldn't bother them to have at all.
We aren't talking about representation in important characters, or villains, or allies, these are random bandits and soldiers, they are not important in the slightest when judging whether the game has enough women in it
Using a derogatory word like SJW for people who, while sometimes misguided, are always tryin to ensure that people aren't upset by things and thus have fairly good motivations seems rather unfair.
There are far FAR worse people out there you could be ridiculing than them.
Well no, SJW describes people who actively seek to attack others over issues they know little to nothing about and they generally don't care about not upsetting others. They only care about being the most progressive and the most tolerant, it's an ego thing. As far as I can tell nobody in this thread in one because a SJW would just be ranting about how sexist and racist bioware is.
But seriously, true SJW's are some of the most horrible people I have ever come across and I am speaks as someone who has very progressive views for the most part.
More enemy variety is nice, Mass Effect, DA:O and DAII have done this. Mass Effect 2 particularly.
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I'm sure there are people who make head-counts and lay out ratios for these things.
But seriously... who the hell cares? Is it unrepresentative that I'm killing more generic males than females? Females should have the equal right to have their intestines gushed out?
Sure.
Then there'll be an argument for DAI being too harsh on the female demographic by having far too many enemies as females, and not males, thus enforcing domestic violence or some other crap.
The problem with gender equality debates (and this goes for both MEN and WOMEN) is that they never seem to agree with each other, even if they're on the same side.
Using a derogatory word like SJW for people who, while sometimes misguided, are always tryin to ensure that people aren't upset by things and thus have fairly good motivations seems rather unfair.
There are far FAR worse people out there you could be ridiculing than them.
Social Justice Warrior isn't technically derogatory, the context I used it in can be interpreted that way, and if that's how you want to run with it, fine. Personally I'll Social Justice Warrior all day long if I feel it's something that involves intentional malice and subjugation, this isn't one of those times though, or at the very least, there's not enough information to know if Generic NPCs (Specifically enemies) need to be a perfect ratio.
There's a lot of complicated reasons that I don't like the objective of this thread, but probably most irritating is the attempt to forcefully homogenize an experience through appeasement. As a consumer and not a creator, I just hand the reigns over to BioWare to tell the story they want to tell without actually making demands. I think illumination of an issue is important, but this isn't an issue BioWare hasn't dealt with before, so they're well versed on what is appropriate within the context of our world that translates into theirs. I think it screams entitlement at this point to press the issue, but that's just me.
i believe ppl just post crap to get there post count up an to see how much they can annoy ppl, going by previous BioWare games there is no need for this topic or the worry, for me the topic is not about concern as is more to get a reaction and a few pages of attention
Well no, SJW describes people who actively seek to attack others over issues they know little to nothing about and they generally don't care about not upsetting others. They only care about being the most progressive and the most tolerant, it's an ego thing. As far as I can tell nobody in this thread in one because a SJW would just be ranting about how sexist and racist bioware is.
But seriously, true SJW's are some of the most horrible people I have ever come across and I am speaks as someone who has very progressive views for the most part.
People are allowed to have different interests to you.
I find this interesting to discuss. I think that people choosing men instinctively to be warriors is quite interesting and can tell us a lot about our society.
Instead of passing personal judgement on me, why don't you just leave and find something YOU enjoy talking about. If you don't care, then why bother commenting at all. Actions speak louder than words and all that
I never said they couldn't
Not really, its been that way ever since we grasped the concept of "hmmm I don't like this group of people over here, let's beat them up and take their stuff"
I passed no personal judgement or anything similar, I said that focusing on something insignificant like this is not worth anyone's time
This isn't only about having more representation for women, but also how it affects men and people's perceptions of men. Having only male enemies all the time and using only men as the cannon fodder enemies contributes to the harmful stereotype that men are expendable. Most feminists also care about how men are portrayed (obviously not the very vocal extremists, but as for the average feminist, yes we care about men too).
So stop belittling us for caring about what you consider a "pointless" issue because we're trying to help you too.
Oh ok, I wasn't really hugely familiar with the term.
Thanks for the clarification
Anyway I was saying it's wrong to call you that or anyone else here. You can't just dismiss views you don't agree with under some category. Simply bringing up "social justice issue" does not make you one of those asshats.
This isn't only about having more representation for women, but also how it affects men and people's perceptions of men. Having only male enemies all the time and using only men as the cannon fodder enemies contributes to the harmful stereotype that men are expendable. Most feminists also care about how men are portrayed (obviously not the very vocal extremists, but as for the average feminist, yes we care about men too).
So stop belittling us for caring about what you consider a "pointless" issue because we're trying to help you too.
Since when do we need help and more importantly, why do we need help from feminists?
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