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i believe ppl just post crap to get there post count up an to see how much they can annoy ppl, going by previous BioWare games there is no need for this topic or the worry, for me the topic is not about concern as is more to get a reaction and a few pages of attention
Anyway we should probably un-derail this thread.
What do you think a good ratio would be and are you particularly fussed about some factions having more males in them? Would that need to be remedied by mostly or all female factions?
Since when do we need help and more importantly, why do we need help from feminists?
because there are issues that men face that feminists have also been involved in alleviating, harsher prison sentences, child custody, and a few other examples come to mind
Since when do we need help and more importantly, why do we need help from feminists?
because there are issues that men face that feminists have also been involved in alleviating, harsher prison sentences, child custody, and a few other examples come to mind
I thought it was the opposite.
because there are issues that men face that feminists have also been involved in alleviating, harsher prison sentences, child custody, and a few other examples come to mind
Citations?
This isn't only about having more representation for women, but also how it affects men and people's perceptions of men. Having only male enemies all the time and using only men as the cannon fodder enemies contributes to the harmful stereotype that men are expendable. Most feminists also care about how men are portrayed (obviously not the very vocal extremists, but as for the average feminist, yes we care about men too).
So stop belittling us for caring about what you consider a "pointless" issue because we're trying to help you too.
Personally, I think this argument applies well to Mass Effect, but carries little to no weight in Dragon Age because of the Fantasy-Historical setting. Human history and culture can be pretty ugly, and the best way to repeat the mistakes is to pretend they didn't happen.
To that effect, you have to approach the Dragon Age setting with a little different mentality, since in a way you are looking back. Hell, the Feudalistic society itself is one of the ugliest things in human history, easily as offensive as the subjugation of women over time, but it's strange nobody seems to get on BioWare's case for showing things like Peasant-Lord relationships. I wonder why?
No Female Companions as anything other than slutty rogues or timid mages
I hate to do this as a fan of Bioware who's genuinely looking forward to DA:I, but....
Sera, described as 'wild', normally industry shorthand for slutty (see Faith, Isabela, etc.).
Vivienne, admittedly not timid, but possibly the other stereotype of fashion/power obsessed loony.
Cassandra...yeah, can't see many problems here so far, but we haven't seen much of her other than in DA2.
Now, admittedly those are worst case assumptions based on extrapolation from what little information we have, but it's quite apparent that DA:I could very easily be incredibly sexist. I trust that, given their excellent track record with FemShep, the female Warden, Morrigan, Aveline, etc. that things won't turn that way. The fact is that at the moment we don't know.
Also, having played through 3 of my 5 Origins playthroughs as female wardens I must admit I didn't notice any great surprise about me being female. The possessed Warden Commander was female, Mhairi was female, and I don't remember any uproar about a female Aeducan, Cousland, or Mahariel knowing how to fight or (in the Aeducan's case) leading an expedition into the Deep Roads (ditto that dwarf legion of the dead scout from awakening - no surprise about there being a woman in that army). The Templars did, however, mostly seem to be male when encountered in Origins, and there are only two female Templars I can remember from DA2, one of whom was Meredith. Given that most of the enemies we've seen, outside of fade creatures and wild animals, have been templars of various stripes, I think it's not unreasonable that we haven't seen many women hostiles yet.
I thought it was the opposite.
men still are on the underside of those issues, didn't mean to say that, but it isn't the result of the feminist movement, rather deeply ingrained cultural norms
note that the Andrea Dworkins aren't the ones protesting this
Anyway we should probably un-derail this thread.
What do you think a good ratio would be and are you particularly fussed about some factions having more males in them? Would that need to be remedied by mostly or all female factions?
Personally, I'd be cool if they just made male and female models then had them spawn randomly. There doesn't need to be an exact equal amount of each at every moment. I'll bring up my Skyrim example again; you can find both male and female enemies, and with the way they're randomly spawned, sometimes there's more or almost all men, sometimes almost all women, other times fairly equal.
Unless there's a legit lore reason for a faction being all one gender (like Silent Sisters), then I'd rather we just have the random distribution.
Anyway we should probably un-derail this thread.
What do you think a good ratio would be and are you particularly fussed about some factions having more males in them? Would that need to be remedied by mostly or all female factions?
This is a valid question, but one that won't have the answer to until release. These type of questions bring up a lot of dismissal or outright ridicule, it's kind of sad really.
its not that valid since the previous games have all ahd plenty of female enemies, and this game is even more dedicated to diversity, furthermore its a non-issue because the ratio of mooks is not something that anyone should be overly concerned with
Since when do we need help and more importantly, why do we need help from feminists?
And with that comment, I'm getting out of here before the explosion occurs.
Anyway, this randomly generated system is gonna be prone to having bugs.
Oh my lord are you really comparing the civil rights movement to the gay movement
Personally, I think this argument applies well to Mass Effect, but carries little to no weight in Dragon Age because of the Fantasy-Historical setting. Human history and culture can be pretty ugly, and the best way to repeat the mistakes is to pretend they didn't happen.
To that effect, you have to approach the Dragon Age setting with a little different mentality, since in a way you are looking back. Hell, the Feudalistic society itself is one of the ugliest things in human history, easily as offensive as the subjugation of women over time, but it's strange nobody seems to get on BioWare's case for showing things like Peasant-Lord relationships. I wonder why?
Except the Dragon Age setting is not a direct analog to real-life Feudalistic society. The game's world has been described numerous times to be quite progressive for real-world standards. If this was a game with a world rooted in reality, then I can understand it. But it's not. We've been shown many women in powerful positions, and (human) race issues non-existant, and almost nothing against same-sex relationships.
I fail to see any real difference?
In over 70 countries you can be KILLED for being gay legally.
That's appalling.
Furthermore, racism is bad for the exact same reason homophobia is bad: you don't choose to be black or gay, and people shouldn't be killed or excluded because of things they have no control over.
do you have a source for that statistic?
Personally, I think this argument applies well to Mass Effect, but carries little to no weight in Dragon Age because of the Fantasy-Historical setting. Human history and culture can be pretty ugly, and the best way to repeat the mistakes is to pretend they didn't happen.
To that effect, you have to approach the Dragon Age setting with a little different mentality, since in a way you are looking back. Hell, the Feudalistic society itself is one of the ugliest things in human history, easily as offensive as the subjugation of women over time, but it's strange nobody seems to get on BioWare's case for showing things like Peasant-Lord relationships. I wonder why?
Yes but DA doesn't take everything from history (obviously). While that works to some extent as a defense of certain content in some games and in other media (GOT springs to mind) it's not really an argument as to why one game can't do it differently. One fictional fantasy game with a historical setting is not going to make us forget about sexism in our own history.
DAO had plenty of generic female soldiers whenever you fought humans, DA2 did as well. I think it is incredibly likely this trend will continue. Generic enemies will almost certainly include a fair number of females.
I hate to do this as a fan of Bioware who's genuinely looking forward to DA:I, but....
Sera, described as 'wild', normally industry shorthand for slutty (see Faith, Isabela, etc.).
Vivienne, admittedly not timid, but possibly the other stereotype of fashion/power obsessed loony.
Cassandra...yeah, can't see many problems here so far, but we haven't seen much of her other than in DA2.
Kind of why I specifically said those things, but I also point out that women have equal range in DA:I so far. Male characters as well have the same personality range, Iron Bull for all intents and purposes, sounds like a total ****! Personally I don't think promiscuity (form either gender) itself is a personality defect though so maybe my approach is different.
Now, if Iron Bull's promiscuity were to be portrayed as a virtue, while Sera's (Hypothetical, for all we know she could be very Chaste) promiscuity was vilified, we have an possible issue of sexism. Which would be much the same of our real world Men-Women sexual double standard.
The lesson of the day is Context Matters.
Yes but DA doesn't take everything from history (obviously). While that works to some extent as a defense of certain content in some games and in other media (GOT springs to mind) it's not really an argument as to why one game can't do it differently. One fictional fantasy game with a historical setting is not going to make us forget about sexism in our own history.
Of course, which is why I said we should learn more about enemy factions before declaring sexism, but there's already a degree of precedent.
Except the Dragon Age setting is not a direct analog to real-life Feudalistic society. The game's world has been described numerous times to be quite progressive for real-world standards. If this was a game with a world rooted in reality, then I can understand it. But it's not. We've been shown many women in powerful positions, and (human) race issues non-existant, and almost nothing against same-sex relationships.
Aside from Dwarven society right? I mean, you're either born into your caste or have to marry into another caste. That's one of the most disgusting societies ever imagined, placing no value on the individual's free will. And I love Dragon Age: Origins for exploring it.
It doesn't have to be a 1:1 translation of history to still have the same validity by the way.
I think 10-20% females in the armies would be a good ratio, and 55-60% females in townsfolk because more men are away fighting.
I think Mage factions should be more equal in number because you dot CHOOSE to be a Mage and men are just as likely to be mages as women.
Otherwise, 10-20% in most other specific fighting factions sounds fine to me!
Oh and ideally nobility would be roughly half male and half female too, for obvious reasons.
Interesting, I expected higher to be honest.
Your townsfolk point makes sense.
I think mages usually have had at least mostly equal numbers in previous games so I hope it carries on that way. As you say both genders are just as likely to be mages and their fighting style is hardly affected that much by the gender of the mage (plus them rarely having kids would mean less female mages staying out of wars to look after children).
I keep on falling for the trolls bait
I just did it really hard to not respond when people give me ****
Ignore the Trolls. If you feel this is important than that's all it needs keep on talking about it and the Mods will deal with the Trolls.
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