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Hm... so a source of magic that is independent from the Fade.  Originating in the primeval thaig...

 

My guess is that it's synthetic.  Something the ancient dwarves came up with... maybe with the help of the Tevinters, like with the Harvesters?  Although the primeval thaig seems to be much older than that so... I dunno.



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Ok, seriously, this thread is completely meaningless unless you explain what the hell "Anti-Magic" means.

It's from the PC Gamer info that came out today. Red lyrium was called "anti-magic".



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No, I didn't mean exactly Cleansing Aura, sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

What I meant was, the effect of something "anti-magical" is just to nullify magic. Like, if you hit an anti-magical shield with magic, the magic is either annihilated or canceled out some other way. Like two equal waves wiping each other out.



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We don't KNOW what it means.

Yeah, because the only person on the planet calling it Anti-Magic is you, and you aren't offering an explanation.



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It's from the PC Gamer info that came out today. Red lyrium was called "anti-magic".

 

I think someone misspoke. Its lyrium. It acts exactly like lyrium, except more potent and more inclined to drive people crazy.

No, I didn't mean exactly Cleansing Aura, sorry if that wasn't clear.

 

What I meant was, the effect of something "anti-magical" is just to nullify magic. Like, if you hit an anti-magical shield with magic, the magic is either annihilated or canceled out some other way. Like two equal waves wiping each other out.

That already exists. With Magic.

 

And standard Lyrium.



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I think someone misspoke. Its lyrium. It acts exactly like lyrium, except more potent and more inclined to drive people crazy.

That already exists. With Magic.

 

And standard Lyrium.

 

Okay, fair enough. And yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you if DA2's lyrium idol is any indication. I guess I just assumed it was being given some previously unknown property in DAI, or they wouldn't have mentioned it. Eh.



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The only way to cancel magic is to use magic .

Possible blue lyrium and red lyrium don't go well together , but it doesn't make red lyrium "anti magic".

Also possible the tearing of the veil and the red lyrium growing everywhere are linked.



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Now that I'm thinking of it, red lyrium might be tainted by whatever also corrupts darkspawn, grey wardens, and the Old Gods.  I can't really draw any conclusions with the little information we have.  I mean, nearly any speculation could be argued at this point.  I think we need more details (I certainly do, at least).



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Okay, fair enough. And yeah, I'm inclined to agree with you if DA2's lyrium idol is any indication. I guess I just assumed it was being given some previously unknown property in DAI, or they wouldn't have mentioned it. Eh.

I think whoever wrote "Anti-Magic" was going for a Matter/Anti-Matter analogy without understanding what either actually is in their respective universes.



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I think someone misspoke. Its lyrium. It acts exactly like lyrium, except more potent and more inclined to drive people crazy.


Hi, my name is Theodoric and I know the game better than people who've had an entire day to play it.

OR MAYBE

It's an anti-magical substance.

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Hi, my name is Theodoric and I know the game better than people who've had an entire day to play it.

 

I sure as hell believe that i know the universe better than they do.

 

Because unless Bioware ret-coned the hell out of things, its not anti-Magic.



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Hi, my name is Theodoric and I know the game better than people who've had an entire day to play it.

OR MAYBE

It's an anti-magical substance.

 

Well you could say the same about blue lyrium , afterall the templars drink it just to use for anti magical stuff.



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I sure as hell believe that i know the universe better than they do.

Because unless Bioware ret-coned the hell out of things, its not anti-Magic.

Hold up. How can they retcon something that they have never discussed at all? They have not said one word about what red lyrium is or what its purpose is.
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Didn't David Gaider state in an interview that the differences between red lyrium and your general run-of-the-mill lyrium is comparable to Red and Green Kryptonite?  I don't really know about that (although I don't admit to being an expert in DC comics) being strictly accurate, but I've been running under the belief that the two have some sort of dichotomy that causes red lyrium to be more potent and allow non-mages to tap into powers they otherwise couldn't access.  Like Red Kryptonite, red lyrium has unpredictable outcomes.  But then blue lyrium doesn't exactly drain people of power the way Green Kryptonite works on Kryptonians - sanity yes, but the analogy isn't quite the same.

 

I do hope we'll learn more about the effects of red lyrium, particularly on mages, since we've only seen it in use by non-mages (as far as I can recall).

 

This whole anti-magic thing is confusing, though.  Just too vague for me to take anything solid out of that.  :S  It'll probably make more sense when the game drops.  We don't know enough about red lyrium to assume the author(s) of the article were inaccurate in that statement.



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Hold up. How can they retcon something that they have never discussed at all? They have not said one word about what red lyrium is or what its purpose is.

What more do you need to discuss?

 

Its lyrium. Its red. Consuming it gives you magical powers. It can be used to enchant.

 

Obviously i want to know more about where it comes from and why it makes people go insane, but everything i have listed above is evidence that it is as magical as regular lyrium is.

 

Just because someone plays a game for their job, and uses flowery language to write, doesn't mean they understand the Dragon Age universe.


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Is this anti magic as in very much not magic or is the analogy more like matter and anti matter in which there are definite similarities.



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"Templar is one of the specializations available to the warrior class in Dragon Age: Origins. The templar specializes on anti-magic combat."

 

The templars are enforcers specifically designed to control and slay mages. Each of the templar's melee hits against an enemy spellcaster drains its mana.

 

The templar purges the area of magic, removing all dispellable effects from those nearby. Friendly fire possible.



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Perhaps it is a corruption of red lyrium and that gives it anti-magic properties?


Do you mean anti-magic as in counter active properties to blue lyrium and mages? Or red lyrium taps into a non-fade related force/power source?

I'm curious as to how the Red Templars harness the red lyrium and apply it. We know it will ultimately turn them into monsters. I wonder if any of the Red Ts get the same fate as Meredith.

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I am going to combine the two and get purple lyrium.


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The templar purges the area of magic, removing all dispellable effects from those nearby. Friendly fire possible.

Mages can also do this.



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I am going to combine the two and get purple lyrium.

Imbue a dragon with the power of both red and blue lyrium to create a purple people eater?


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I sure as hell believe that i know the universe better than they do.
 
Because unless Bioware ret-coned the hell out of things, its not anti-Magic.


This is funny. You are literally claiming to know more about red lyrium than someone who's played DA: Inquisition despite BioWare telling us nothing about it in DA:O or DA:II.

People said that qunari having horns was a retcon as well, so I'm not surprised someone is calling this a retcon.

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I am going to combine the two and get purple lyrium.

Well, if the anti-matter and matter analogy is correct, you'll most likely blow your self up.



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People said that qunari having horns was a retcon as well, so I'm not surprised someone is calling this a retcon.

It was.



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Well, if the anti-matter and matter analogy is correct, you'll most likely blow your self up.

Actually anti-matter and matter interact just fine.

 

Im pretty sure some people with a big contraption made some. You can hold it in your hand.