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[Aaleel]

I can't believe the Varric is an unreliable story teller thing was ever even used once, its just such a cop out.  You could honestly retcon anything you want if that's the case.  We don't really know what happened then.

[Gileadan]

I thought it was clearly marked whenever Varric was exaggerating - Bethany's boobies in the prologue, his over-the-top battle with machine-gun-Bianca...

Whenever such elements are not present, it can probably be safely assumed that there is no exaggeration going on. Because otherwise, the aforementioned stuff would be exaggerations within exaggerations... Varric-ception, so to say.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Or maybe, just maybe, because they think it doesn't look right. To be honest, I've always found it looked kind of silly in DA:O. But hey, that's just me.

It looked very silly in DAO.

Where did the head go?

[Sylvius the Mad]

I can't believe the Varric is an unreliable story teller thing was ever even used once, its just such a cop out. You could honestly retcon anything you want if that's the case. We don't really know what happened then.

It was the only way to deal with the railroading.

I relied heavily on Varric being an unreliable storyteller. My Hawke didn't do half of the things Varric said he did.

[movieguyabw]

I can't believe the Varric is an unreliable story teller thing was ever even used once, its just such a cop out.  You could honestly retcon anything you want if that's the case.  We don't really know what happened then.

 

You're absolutely right.  You can retcon anything you want with that excuse.  It is something that they point to several times throughout the game, and Cassandra expresses doubt multiple times as to whether Varric's telling the truth. 

 

However, way I see it DA2 is just a small framed narrative, which ties Origins in with Inquisition .  It's not really a fullblown sequel which is why that doesn't bother me so much, personally.  Was it marketed this way?  Nope.  Bioware was given a short timetable to churn out a sequel to Origins, same exact way TSL was rushed on to shelves in order to profit from the success of Knights of the Old Republic.  It was advertised as the successor to Origins, which is why many people took issue with it upon first playing it.

 

And yeah, if you look at it with that mindset, it doesn't really measure up.  The framed narrative from Varric's perspective by very nature raises the questions of "is any of this even true?" which wears away at the feeling that the choices you make really matter.  He could just be making all of this up.  So the knee-jerk response is to assume that everything he says is true, which the narrative points out is not the case.

 

If you look at it as it's own entity, or as just a short story to tie in Origins and Inquisition, it kind of makes whether he's telling the truth or not irrelevant.  The important thing is that there was a fight between the mages and templars in Kirkwall, which has put the world on edge; and that Hawke played an important role in it.  He obviously didn't make that up, as that's the whole reason Cassadra is interrogating him.

 

The few choices you do make in the game, Cassandra tends to remark on, so you know in those instances he's not lying.  Everything that Hawke says to Carver?  Or their LI when at home?  Who knows.  Varric wasn't there for any of that, so he probably did make it up unless he spoke to them about it later.  The important things are those major choices you made.  Did you side with the Templars or the Mages?  Did you kill Anders?  Did you sell Fenris back into slavery?  Did you give Isabella to the Qunari?  Everything that wasn't a decision is up in the air; at least that's how I see it.

 

So yeah, the ambiguity doesn't bother me so much ever since I've stopped looking at DA2 in terms of being a full on sequel to Origins; and more of a short side story to tide us over until Inquisition.  (Being that DA2 was for all intents and purposes rushed on to shelves, yet devs have stated working on the story for Inquisition since before Origins was completed, I don't think that's too much of a stretch to believe)

[addiction21]

Let me help some of you.

 

http://forum.bioware...-dragon-age-ii/

 

That is the DA2 forum. Since all some of you want to do is continue to moan about the same things you have been moaning about for over 3 years now that is the place for it.

 

And no the whole "Look at DA2 look at how bad I think it is. I hate this about DA2 (insert picture or paragraphs)" is not DAI related. Get over not liking a video game or take it to the forums dedicated to discussing it.

[tmp7704]

My point was that it's baffling to bring up the example of DA2's blood and gore being overblown as if the series didn't start with overblown blood and gore in the first place. I never said they are exactly the same, but if that's how you feel like interpreting it then go ahead.

I think a statement along the lines that (while DAO had plenty of blood and gore) DA2 took that to levels where it'd became plain silly... isn't exactly unfair, or inaccurate.

I don't know if DA:I will tone that down a bit, but it'd be nice if it did.

[ForgottenWarrior]

No nipples, no decapitations... Im curious why are they keeping "18" rating while it's more like "16".

[seraphymon]

Let me help some of you.

 

http://forum.bioware...-dragon-age-ii/

 

That is the DA2 forum. Since all some of you want to do is continue to moan about the same things you have been moaning about for over 3 years now that is the place for it.

 

And no the whole "Look at DA2 look at how bad I think it is. I hate this about DA2 (insert picture or paragraphs)" is not DAI related. Get over not liking a video game or take it to the forums dedicated to discussing it.

I believe the topic is about discussing decaptations in other works in realtion to DAI. So of course DA2 is gonna be rbought into the disucssion. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to be snide  and try to redirect like your doing people a favor

[Maria Caliban]

No nipples, no decapitations... Im curious why are they keeping "18" rating while it's more like "16".

Why do you think there are no nipples?

[tmp7704]

Why do you think there are no nipples?

They're unlikely, as apparently having these can cause game to be classified as AO rather than M. At least that's explanation I've seen for few titles which sought to remove/not have them despite having M rating.

Nipples on things like stone statues though, are apparently fine.

[Steelcan]

Why do you think there are no nipples?

because a female nipple is a one way ticket to controversy

[Maria Caliban]

At GaymerX, David talked about having nipples in the game.

[addiction21]

I believe the topic is about discussing decaptations in other works in realtion to DAI. So of course DA2 is gonna be rbought into the disucssion. Just because you don't like it doesn't mean you have to be snide  and try to redirect like your doing people a favor

 

But there are no decapitations in DA2 so how is it relevant? The answer is that the gibbing of DA2 is not relevant and presenting it like that is the default death animation at best is being dishonest.

 

I actually agree that in these days such a explosion should be restricted to stuff like walking bomb where 14 years ago in BG it was a different gaming world.

 

I redirect because its tiresome to see threads go off topic and get locked because the same people, want to complain about the same things, over and over again in threads where its not relevant.

 

I said my piece now continue beating that dead horse.
 

[andy6915]

They're unlikely, as apparently having these can cause game to be classified as AO rather than M. At least that's explanation I've seen for few titles which sought to remove/not have them despite having M rating.

 

Stupid excuse, nipples don't get an AO rating anymore. Gaming has progressed enough as a medium now that nudity should be no bigger a deal then it is in movies. It's not like nudity is a big deal anymore, not with God of War 3 putting topless woman all throughout it, and the nude scenes in Witcher 2, or having the final boss of Dante's Inferno have his 3 foot long male "appendage" just hanging there during every scene he's in and even during the boss fight, or Heavy Rain's nude scenes, or Red Dead Redemption's sex scene during the Mexico arc. Mere nipples on a female character in a video game doesn't cause a frenzy anymore.

[aTigerslunch]

Lol, we are at the point now that nudity is rated G? 

[tmp7704]

Stupid excuse, nipples don't get an AO rating anymore. Gaming has progressed enough as a medium now that nudity should be no bigger a deal then it is in movies.

I think that as long as the rating change can effectively sink a game which had dozens and sometimes hundred millions invested in it, few are willing to risk that for the sake of something as silly as having a nipple in a game, just so presumably some teen can ****** to it and little else. What "should" be a big(ger) deal and what actually is still a deal when it comes to games are often enough two different things.

[Samahl]

I can't wait until female nipples aren't sexualized (at least, no more than male nipples) anymore.

[andy6915]

I think that as long as the rating change can effectively sink a game which had dozens and sometimes hundred millions invested in it, few are willing to risk that for the sake of something as silly as having a nipple in a game, just so presumably some teen can ****** to it and little else. What "should" be a big(ger) deal and what actually is still a deal when it comes to games are often enough two different things.

That's just it, there is no risk in putting nipples in the game. Hell, DAO had bare female nipples with Morrigan. If you use a certain exploit with the camera, Morrigan has a low-res pair of nipples on her breasts when wearing her unique robes. And if it's in the code, it counts toward the rating. A certain GTA game got made into AO for a while when a sex scene buried in the code was uncovered. So a Bioware game has already gotten away with it.

[Amaror]

** Hell if I know, but it seems Germany's censorship on digital media is so severe many games don't show blood. Like, at all. International versions have the option for blood on/off, but German versions don't have the choice. Most are less strict and merely reduce gore or other visceral combat effects.

 

Considering that rating/censorship is actually pretty personal to the persons wearing suits and stamping, maybe Germany has a lot of people who are scared of blood? I don't know, but the end result is that, along with Australia and China, Germany is a censorpalooza.

 

Please try to be actually informed before making wild claims, thank you.

Germany doesn't censor anything. It's true that the usk is more strict on violence than for example pegi, but germany itself doesn't censor anything.

This is how this works. The publisher or developer sends a copy of the game to the usk. They test the game and then give it an age rating depending on the content in the game. They don't cut out anything. The developers and publishers are the ones that are cutting things out of their game because they want to get a better age rating. 

In extreme cases the usk can also refuse a rating. That just means that the game can't be puplicly advertised. It can still be sold though. The problem is that many publishers are scared of the usk and cut their games because they don't want an too harsh rating. I think the last game that has actually got a refused rating from the usk was manhunt. 

You can see with games like The Witcher games or DA 2 exploding corpses that if the devs just have the b*lls to commit their game uncensored, they will get a fair rating.

[Rawgrim]

EA game. No nipples. Way more harmful to see that than decapitations.

[Wulfram]

DA's nipple quota is all saved up for the brood mothers

[Trinityangel666]

I didn't even remember there were decapitation scenes in DAO until it was mentioned in this post. But IMO its doesnt need hardcore killing blows in a game to make it mature. As long as the story is great and interesting, its all good with me. There are plenty of other games out there with hardcore violence. DA doesnt really need it, the content alone gives it a mature rating.

[tmp7704]

That's just it, there is no risk in putting nipples in the game.

There is, as long as graphic nudity is part of the AO rating guidelines. Few games dodging this bullet because people in charge of assigning the rating were unaware of content that'd bump up the rating doesn't change that. Your GTA example if anything confirms this risk -- as the game got the rating change when the content became known.

[Setiweb]

Everyday is Tuesday in Dragon Age.