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[animedreamer]

I wonder if Deathblows will return like they did in Origins, or will the cinematic kind in DA:2 return, in which they only happen at the end of boss battles.

[andy6915]

There is, as long as graphic nudity is part of the AO rating guidelines. Few games dodging this bullet because people in charge of assigning the rating were unaware of content that'd bump up the rating doesn't change that. Your GTA example if anything confirms this risk -- as the game got the rating change when the content became known.

 

Full nudity is part of the guidelines, yes. Of course if a game puts in any sort of shot of female genitals or public hair, hello AO rating. But nipples? That doesn't do a single thing towards an AO rating anymore. Not a damn thing.

[tmp7704]

But nipples? That doesn't do a single thing towards an AO rating anymore. Not a damn thing.

I'm sorry, but no amount of bold italic underline is going to make that claim any more convincing. At the end of day there's no guarantee that the person(s) assigning the rating for you game won't take hardline stance and balk at the idea of zomg-nipples in a game for 17+ year olds. And as long there's no such guarantee that does mean the risk exists, and it's perfectly understandable not every publisher/developer will want to take it.

[andy6915]

I'm sorry, but no amount of bold italic underline is going to make that claim any more convincing.

 

And apparently neither will the dozen+ games that have proven me right. You just don't want to acknowledge anything that goes against your argument.

[SilkieBantam]

I'd like the return of deathblows as long as they kept in pace with the rest of the combat instead of slowing it down. 

[Killdren88]

I remember them I remember the pissng and whinig from people who say they decapitated Leliana so she shouldn't be in the game. Random death blow animation = \= Canon.

[Allan Schumacher]

That's just it, there is no risk in putting nipples in the game. Hell, DAO had bare female nipples with Morrigan. If you use a certain exploit with the camera, Morrigan has a low-res pair of nipples on her breasts when wearing her unique robes. And if it's in the code, it counts toward the rating. A certain GTA game got made into AO for a while when a sex scene buried in the code was uncovered. So a Bioware game has already gotten away with it.

The issue with GTA was that the sex scene allowed for interaction. It was also the issue that required Indigo Prophecy (Fahrenheit) to have a scene cut out of the North American release, as well.

[tmp7704]

The issue with GTA was that the sex scene allowed for interaction. It was also the issue that required Indigo Prophecy (Fahrenheit) to have a scene cut out of the North American release, as well.

Indigo Prophecy also had the nipples removed in the one scene which was apparently left (partially) in. It also had removed non-interactive scenes depicting sex, so interactivity would be only part of the "problem" when it comes to ratings of this kind of content.

[Allan Schumacher]

Indigo Prophecy also had the nipples removed in the one scene which was apparently left (partially) in. It also had removed non-interactive scenes depicting sex, so interactivity would be only part of the "problem" when it comes to ratings of this kind of content.

 

Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't Triss show her nipples in The Witcher 2's NA release (I'm pretty sure they were there in my game).

[andy6915]

Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't Triss show her nipples in The Witcher 2's NA release (I'm pretty sure they were there in my game).

 

I can confirm myself with my own W2 American copy, yes she does.

 

...I wonder, did she have bush in the game? I forget. I mean her model had it, but I don't know if it's ever actually shown in the game. Anyway if she did show bush in-game, then that means even showing that isn't an automatic AO rating and it's only the actual genitals that get you that rating.

[tmp7704]

Unless I'm mistaken, doesn't Triss show her nipples in The Witcher 2's NA release (I'm pretty sure they were there in my game).

Yes, although if I remember right an interview with the Witcher devs, they admitted they pretty much "snuck that in" by not mentioning it to people in charge of assigning the rating. Although this could be about the first Witcher game, I really can't remember at this point.

[KaiserShep]

I remember them I remember the pissng and whinig from people who say they decapitated Leliana so she shouldn't be in the game. Random death blow animation = \= Canon.

 

Lol, it really was a mistake to grant her the ability to be a potential combatant in the game. I guess that's what happens when you don't really take everything in account for the possibility of making more games in the future.

[OctagonalSquare]

Vag gets you an AO rating? Even though GTA IV: The Lost and Damned had a penis in plain view and was rated M?

[Allan Schumacher]

Yes, although if I remember right an interview with the Witcher devs, they admitted they pretty much "snuck that in" by not mentioning it to people in charge of assigning the rating. Although this could be about the first Witcher game, I really can't remember at this point.

 

Tricky to say if they're just having fun with it, because the reality is that it'd still be known.  Perhaps the San Andreas issue was enough of a controversy that there was more insistence to show that the ESRB would take matters seriously, but sneaking something past the ESRB would be a heck of a gamble.

[andy6915]

Vag gets you an AO rating? Even though GTA IV: The Lost and Damned had a penis in plain view and was rated M?

 

Well... Yes, actually. Was it erect? Apparently how sexual the scene is changes things. Non-sexual contexts where simple bush or flaccid penis is concerned gets less trouble than erect ones or "showing pink" for women. Well for movies anyway, and there are rare exceptions like "The Brown Bunny" movie having an uncensored Felicio and still only getting an R rating. However, there's also the fact that female nudity is by default seen as more risque and sexual.

 

By the way, the Dante's Inferno game also had uncensored male nudity and only got an M rating, flaccid of course.

 

Still, that was risky in both cases. Showing the stuff between the legs is risking an AO. Not guaranteeing one, but risking it.

 

EDIT EDIT: Scratch that, can't confirm my prior edit's statement.

[tmp7704]

Vag gets you an AO rating? Even though GTA IV: The Lost and Damned had a penis in plain view and was rated M?

Well, technically:

MATURE

Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.


ADULTS ONLY

Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and/or gambling with real currency.

Content Descriptors

Sexual Content - Non-explicit depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including partial nudity
Partial Nudity - Brief and/or mild depictions of nudity

so essentially yes, M games can, on paper, at best get away with "partial nudity". Then of course, occasionally you get titles like God of War 3 which somehow manage to get M rating even though they have interactive, detailed close up scenes of ripping off people's heads and other such niceties, which is pretty much textbook case of what's listed as AO-only material. At which point you can only idly wonder just how much money passed under the table to secure such deal.

[andy6915]

Well, technically:

MATURE

Content is generally suitable for ages 17 and up. May contain intense violence, blood and gore, sexual content and/or strong language.


ADULTS ONLY

Content suitable only for adults ages 18 and up. May include prolonged scenes of intense violence, graphic sexual content and/or gambling with real currency.

Content Descriptors

Sexual Content - Non-explicit depictions of sexual behavior, possibly including partial nudity
Partial Nudity - Brief and/or mild depictions of nudity

so essentially yes, M games can, on paper, at best get away with "partial nudity". Then of course, occasionally you get titles like God of War 3 which somehow manage to get M rating even though they have interactive, detailed close up scenes of ripping off people's heads and other such niceties, which is pretty much textbook case of what's listed as AO-only material. At which point you can only idly wonder just how much money passed under the table to secure such deal.

 

Like I said, at this point you pretty much have to make video game pornography to get an AO rating these days. Erect penises on screen or an actual vagina-labia combo are what you need to do to get that rating anymore.

[andy6915]

Not to interrupt this heated discussion about nipples and sexualized nipples, but isn't that a topic better indexed for porn?

 

If you really want nipples so bad there is this crazy thing called a girlfriend (or boyfriend, technically) for this kind of thing. 

 

Although the notion that sex is somehow more horrendous than violence lives on...and that is unfortunate. 

 

It's not about having nipples just for sexual sake. It's more when the game is showing what is supposed to represent nudity anyway yet leaving characters in underwear that annoys us. Seriously, crap like this-

 

 

Is more immature than just making her nude. I mean, would making her topless and putting the camera high enough to not show below the waist so as not to risk an AO really be a worse idea than showing a character showering in bra and panties like some never-nude person out of Arrested Development?

[tmp7704]

Like I said, at this point you pretty much have to make video game pornography to get an AO rating these days. Erect penises on screen or an actual vagina-labia combo are what you need to do to get that rating anymore.

Yeah, I'm just skeptical if it's an actual trend, or merely occasional cases of "It's Nth sequel of huge franchise riding the graphic content controversy but definitely not allowed to get the kiss of death that's AO rating if you guys know what I mean". I.e. the big guys getting different rules than everyone else with less clout.

[andy6915]

Yeah, I'm just skeptical if it's an actual trend, or merely occasional cases of "It's Nth sequel of huge franchise riding the graphic content controversy but definitely not allowed to get the kiss of death that's AO rating if you guys know what I mean". I.e. the big guys getting different rules than everyone else with less clout.

 

That wouldn't surprise me. Big time companies could flash some cash to keep the ESRB happy enough to go easy on em... And EA is about as big time as you can get. They could afford it.

[NextArishok]

I'm going to have to agree with andy.  If you're going to do something...do it right.  Thats my outlook.  It is annoying tbh.  Nothing the skip button won't fix though...thats what i do. no probs

[slimgrin]

I can confirm myself with my own W2 American copy, yes she does.

 

...I wonder, did she have bush in the game? I forget. I mean her model had it, but I don't know if it's ever actually shown in the game. Anyway if she did show bush in-game, then that means even showing that isn't an automatic AO rating and it's only the actual genitals that get you that rating.

 

 

The game has full frontal nudity from Triss and a couple others. I don't think CDPR tried to sneak anything past the ESRB. But dismemberment, that's an issue with the engine mostly. The game engine has to support it. Although it may be more violence than what Bioware is prepared to dish out now.

[Maliken]

There was limited dismemberment in The Witcher 2, where you occasionally sliced off an arm on human opponents.

[Cainhurst Crow]

Witcher 3 has decapitation,  share of mordor has decapitation, but metal gear rising offers fully controllable dismemberment you can do any time.

 

Metal Gear Rising beats G rated Witcher, Shadow, And Inquisition as superior hardcore game. Get on that sundowner level son.

[Eternal Phoenix]

Witcher 3 has decapitation,  share of mordor has decapitation, but metal gear rising offers fully controllable dismemberment you can do any time.

 

Metal Gear Rising beats G rated Witcher, Shadow, And Inquisition as superior hardcore game. Get on that sundowner level son.

 

Nanomachines son.