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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Hey people. 

Can someone point me in the direction of some good lore theories? Since the old forum is gone (?) Im guessing the dragon age wiki is the best place atm. Im especially interested on reading about Flemeth, I found this video pretty great https://www.youtube....h?v=P3gWUUzmLDk and Im looking for similar videos or readings.

Another thing that bothers me is Corypheus saying the black city was already black. So any theories on that is also something Im interested in.

What are the best lore theories you have read atm? Any discussions, insights, links to videos and other good reads on this is most welcome!

[Samahl]

This theory is pretty intriguing.

[Magdalena11]

Is there a Cliff NotesTm version?  I admit I was intimidated by the wall-o-text.

[Samahl]

Is there a Cliff NotesTm version?  I admit I was intimidated by the wall-o-text.

 

"Or if you want to skip all the references and get right to the point, use the Table of Contents below and click "The Bottom Line" to go straight to my conclusion."

[TheKomandorShepard]

To be honest this theory have at least few holes for example in warden case he explained only why normal warden would disappear besides that Gaxkang was killed by the warden (optionally but still) and don't explain at all why orlesian warden disappears.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

Andraste was said to call upon the Maker to destroy Tevinter crops because she had moved him to finally intercede on her behalf.

[Vulpe]

IMPORTANT NOTE TO EVERYONE WHO HAD THREADS ON THE OLD FORUM !

 

 

You can access yours by clicking on the arrow next to your user name on the right "My content" and then "Only topics". You could search for other peoples threads via search, but if you don't remember the title youu have almost zero chances.You have bigger chances is you go to the profile of the user that made it and click "Find Content" ( it's a small button on the right). The old threads are scatered somewhere in the deapths of the "Scuttlebut" section.

 

 

More on topic:

 

Here's a thread from the older forum where people wrote down some of their theories. It should keep you busy for a while, especially if you read the comments of the hyperlinked theories as well.

[Ieldra]

This theory is pretty intriguing.

The speculations are rather convoluted and I don't put much stock in the details, most notably about the identities of who is behind the scenario. I really don't see that at all. Also, while everything does indeed point to the "main event" being some sort of merging of the Fade and everyday reality into one, if that's the change alluded to, it is inevitable to some degree if we can believe Morrigan and Flemeth (which, since I don't see her as a Forbidden One, I do). That, in turn, means it's not that event exactly we're fighting, but the fallout of the way it's brought about. 

 

Also, if a demon - or a group of demons - is behind it all that would be boring, because in that case we can't relate to the Big Bad at all, and the whole conflict ceases to have meaning. It would all be reduced to a standard evil invasion plot, and I can't see Bioware doing that. They've always aimed for more, even if they weren't always successful.  

[Ieldra]

While there are no recorded events of Andraste displaying supernatural powers other than 'speaking to the Maker' many people speculate the she herself was a mage. Couple this with dialogue from the Spirit of Cathaire that claims the Maker (who has never been known to intervene in mortal affairs) burned down Tevinter's crops so that the Imperium would suffer famine. I find the Maker's direct intervention unlikely. If we assume it wasn't the Maker behind the famine that struck Tevinter we're left with few alternatives. The two most likely possibilities are that either a powerful mage or a High dragon would have the means to burn down an empire's entire supply of food

 

Actually, the most likely alternative is a natural disaster combined with a storyteller's exaggeration. Probably there was a big fire, or a number of big fires, that destroyed critical food stores, but most likely they weren't empire-wide. The most common misconception in stories like these is that if an event has meaning, someone must have been responsible. Not so.

 

As for the topic in general, my own hypothesis on the nature of the Fade may be relevant.

[CapivaRasgor]

I personally had one about dragons being sapient and Flemeth's goal being to preserve her species. It's here on the forums, I'll link it when I find it.

[Ieldra]

I personally had one about dragons being sapient and Flemeth's goal being to preserve her species. It's here on the forums, I'll link it when I find it.

That would go against one of Bioware's design decisions. I would find it surprising if any dragons turned out sapient but the Old Gods, should they exist and have dragon form as the stories say. 

[Dagr88]

Question: the religion which Andraste spawned was and is hell-bent on eradicating worship of the Old Gods. If she is the Old God Dumat in human form, why proselytize about the "glory" of the Maker.

 

Morrigan from Witch Hunt:

All you need know is that the child is an innocent. He knows nothing of the destiny that lies before him.

 

The whole point of the Dark Ritual is to make sure that the OG would be "reborn from a specific body".

IF Andraste is OG then with DR or without it, slain Archdemons are still reborn.

[CapivaRasgor]

That would go against one of Bioware's design decisions. I would find it surprising if any dragons turned out sapient but the Old Gods, should they exist and have dragon form as the stories say.

Why is it contradictory? Couldn't dragons be a sapient species that receeded into bestial behaviour thanks to some cataclysmic event?

And here is the theory I had:

Spoiler

I wasn't sure if I should post this on a new thread or in here and since creating a new thread seemed unnecessary I decided to post here. So, after replaying Origins and re-reading the comics I've come up with a speculative theory regarding Flemeth and her motives. I think this will be a long post so I'll say up front what I thought: what if Flemeth is in fact a dragon? Meaning, her dragon form is her real[/b] one, the human appearance just a shell in which she can cast her conscience or assume to blend in among humans? I know that Flemeth being an Old God has been discussed in the past, but now we have new information on the nature of dragons thanks to Yavana. I'll try to organize my reasons for thinking so in topics below:

1. Could the Old Gods be in reality just really powerful High Dragons?

Back on Origins there were two codex entries that hinted that both the Old Gods could have been in reality High Dragons of an unknown magnitude and that the dragons themselves seemed to be more complex in terms of intelligence thanbeasts(http://dragonage.wik...y:_Dragon_Cults and http://dragonage.wik...y:_The_Old_Gods). It was even proved that their blood had special properties, as one needed to drink it in order to become a Reaver. This clearly pointed that dragons were at the very least different from the other creatures from Thedas.

On the comics it's also hinted that dragons could be indeed more intelligent than the beasts they seem to be, as one dragon stood down on Yavana's command, and it looked like she was speaking to it in another language. Could that be ancient draconic language or just a spell she recited to calm the dragon? Yavana herself also mentions that her main objective was to wake ancient dragons from their hibernation, which I point to be very similar to the slumber of the Old Gods down in the underground.

My point in this matter is: could dragons have once been a sapient species, the Old Gods being to them as the mages are to the other mortals? If so is their apparent receding to more bestial an instinctive behaviour a product of centuries of isolation and near exctinction?

2. Flemeth's "gift" - i.e possessing her daughters - similarity with the archdemons' soul transference.

It's well known that when an archdemon dies it's soul travels to the nearest darkspawn through the taint. The taint itself is carried in the blood of both the darkspawn and the Grey Wardens, what do I mean by this? Flemeth supposedly uses a magical ritual to possess the body of her daughters when her current body is old and weak, now think, why does it have to be specifically from her daughters? It's not like she can't sneak in a Circle of Magi and possess an accomplished female Enchanter there, or perhaps trick a powerful apostate into becoming her vessel, her being a shapeshifter makes the former possible and her manipulative nature also makes the latter a possibility. Why does it have to be one of her daughters? The only explanation I see is that process must involve "blood compatibility" in some way.

Remember when I speculated that Old Gods are in fact powerful dragons? And assuming this holds true, then recall that the Archdemon's(a tainted Old God) soul travel to the nearest tainted creature through the taint.. through the blood. Wouldn't Flemeth's ritual be similar? She concieves a child with her mortal form and then, later in life when the girl has grown and developed her powers, possesses the child through their blood connection.

Why else she would need to use specifically a daughter for the ritual?

3. Flemeth's origin, is she really an abomination? Or something entirely different?

Let me elaborate, both versions of Flemeth's origin - Leliana's and Morrigan's - involve her dealing with spirits/demons and becoming an abomination(or something very similar). What if instead of a creature of the Fade,the original Flemeth became "possessed" by the soul of a dragon? Perhaps even an Old God? She could have drank the blood of a dying dragon and then take their soul into herself, and due to the fact that her mortal body ages and withers she would eventually need to transfer her essence into another being. Or it could also be that a dragon/Old God took the form of a mortal, named itself "Flemeth", and created the myth to conceal it's existence

Plus, Morrigan mentions that Flemeth isn't even truly a human and appears visibly distressed of what she is in reality, and Morrigan isn't easily affected.

4. Flemeth's motive: restore the dragonkind to their former selves.

Flemeth rescued the Warden and sent Morrigan with them with the clear intention of preserving the soul of Urthemiel through the Dark Ritual, her reasons for doing so and Morrigan's intentions with the child never being clear to us. When the comics came it was revealed that Flemeth had indeed many daughters and not the lineage of Flemeth and a daughter as originally believed. One of them, Yavana, also had a personal agenda that involved dragons, is it really a coincidence?

Yavana mentions that dragons are important to the world, she also alludes to a time in which they ruled the skies and that the Veil was non-existent. Now, since then the dragons have obviously lost their supposed dominance but some of them survived by hibernating, Yavana's plan seemingly was to awaken them from their slumber with the help of someone with dragon's blood, she even awakened a few herself maybe thanks to the dragon's blood that she could have herself due to being a daughter of Flemeth(this one is a bit of a stretch, I know).

In the comics we also hear from Sten the Qunari version of King Callenhad's tale: in order to gain the strength to fight for Ferelden's unification he drank the blood of a dying dragon, whose location was revealed to him by a witch. Could this witch be Flemeth or one of her daughters? My guess is that, whatever it is that Flemeth plans, it has something to do with dragons and I speculate that it involves her restoring their kind to its former place in the world.

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[Ieldra]

Why is it contradictory? Couldn't dragons be a sapient species that receeded into bestial behaviour thanks to some cataclysmic event?

I didn't say it was contradictory. If it was, I would've replied "This can't happen because X".

 

The problem is that such a scenario would be a part-retcon of a design decision, and if the decision "no intelligent dragons" was made at that level, it's likely to be seen as part of the setting's identity.

 

Personally, I would like to see a sapient dragon here or there, and I agree that dragons and dragon lore are set to play an important role in the story, but dragons in general acquiring sapience would, in fact, change the identity of the setting, and not for the better IMO, unless the writers manage to make their sapience sufficiently alien to humans that communication requires special training and is difficult even then.  

[CapivaRasgor]

I didn't say it was contradictory. If it was, I would've replied "This can't happen because X".

The problem is that such a scenario would be a part-retcon of a design decision, and if the decision "no intelligent dragons" was made at that level, it's likely to be seen as part of the setting's identity.

Personally, I would like to see a sapient dragon here or there, and I agree that dragons and dragon lore are set to play an important role in the story, but dragons in general acquiring sapience would, in fact, change the identity of the setting, and not for the better IMO, unless the writers manage to make their sapience sufficiently alien to humans that communication requires special training and is difficult even then.

Contradictory was a poor choice for a word. I apologize

I don't think it would change that much of the idendity. In the games we only knew dragons as those really big and nasty mobs, with the codex hinting that they have more intelligence than meets the eyes, there was room for some ambiguity as to how intelligent they were - are they beings who posses some semblance of long lost intelligence or just particularly cunning predators? It wasn't written on a stone that they were not sapient, or were at some point.

Then came the comics and Yavana. She reveals that the dragons once ruled the sky and that they hibernate in a similar fashion to the Old Gods, who are sapient, which may be a hint to their possible relation. There is also the fact that dragon blood holds power. The Fires Above trailer also shows a dragon coming out of the Fade... how the heck did that happen?

What do I mean by all this? That the setting wasn't clearly defined in Origins, it appears that it's still being built with every little bit of information we are getting through the EU.

[x Raizer x]

I don't think any game lore theory will ever top The Indoctrination Theory from Mass Effect.

It just blew my mind.  And it was in-depth enough to have a documentary about it was that three episode long, two hours each episode.

[adorkable-panda]

I don't think any game lore theory will ever top The Indoctrination Theory from Mass Effect.

It just blew my mind.  And it was in-depth enough to have a documentary about it was that three episode long, two hours each episode.

I watched that docuseries, it was mindblowing and awesome and had strong evidence, unfortunately I'm pretty sure Bioware confirmed that it isn't the case, though I still cling onto the indoctrination theory and thus create my own ending and making Mass Effect more enjoyable for me hahah, in any case, I didn't let the ending ruin my gaming experience it was fun till the end as they always say. 

 

More on topic. I wish there was more game theories concerning Dragon Age. I love love love love LOVE game theories. It's probably because i have no life, but I feed off of them and they're fun to conspire. That's why I love mattpatt from Game Theory on YT and the like. 

 

So far I unfortunatley havne't come across that many game theories concerning Dragon Age, other than a couple that were debunked already concerning Inquisition and the usual "FLemeth is the maker" or "Flemeth is actually an Archdemon" or "flemeth is also a god baby" mostly are Flemeth related to be honest. I wish there was someone so anal and over critical to create some groundbreaking theory about Dragon Age but unlike most games, DA to me doesn't have that much to be controversial about, but maybe that's just me overlooking various things since it's been awhile since I've played the games. I think it's easier to make theories if you've read the books as well. 

 

BUt seriously, I will love someone forever if they concoct a theory that somehow causes me to drain hours of my life away to research and geek over. 

[Vroom Vroom]

Sandal is the love child of Cassandra and Oghren. His powers derive from the fact that he was abducted by Flemeth at a young age, subjected to genetic experimentation, and then left in the Deep Roads.

 

'nuff said.

From time to time the thought crosses my mind that he is Flemeth's son, but then I end up thinking nah, couldn't be. What always gets me to that line of thought is his comments about a scary lady, maybe she was visiting her son? Also, the magic that he might be able to achieve based upon his dialogue of "not enchantment". I highly doubt that he is Flemeth's son, but the thought crosses my mind, a lot. 

[Ieldra]

Forgive me if I hope you're wrong though. I much prefer Andraste in dragon form burned down the Imperium's food supply. It makes for a better story.

My only preference is this: I'm going to resent any story element that gives the Chantry more legitimacy. Apart from that, anything goes.

[Arvaarad]

It isn't past lore, but one of my favorite crackpot fan theories goes as follows:

1. We know non-mages can be possessed, it's just less common (for example, the templars captured by Insane Lipstick Lady in DA2).

2. There are two possible fates for Anders, either Hawke kills him, or Sebastian swears to "show him what true justice is".

3. Sebastian always survives the events of DA2.

So, to recap, we have a person who's probably always nearby when Anders dies, is crazed with thoughts of revenge when it occurs, and has a position of great power in the Free Marches.

Where does Vengeance go when Anders dies?