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So, I'm not 100% sure if anything like this exists yet or if it should be in Scuttlebutt or elsewhere. If it should be somewhere else let me know and I'll be happy to move it. :)

This thread will contain MAJOR SPOILERS so proceed at your own risk.

First off, I'd like to keep this thread argument free and if possible I'd like to try keeping it debate free as well. I don't think it should be about who is right or wrong. Questions of "why" shouldn't be ignored because I'm hoping that this will be a way of expanding thoughts instead of limiting them. Also, let's try not to be disrespectful please!

This is for Dragon Age: Origins, Dragon Age: Awakening, Dragon Age 2, and possible predictions on Dragon Age: Inquisition gameplay. Not for combat or tactics, but for story and character progression.

The reason I'm making this thread is because I'm curious how far people will go to explore new ground in the Dragon Age storyline.

When we make our characters we either base them off ourselves, someone else, a character we've made in other role-playing games or stories, or just flat out create someone fresh and new for the world.


I know we all see many things differently in the game that others might not understand.

Some see Alistair as prince charming, others see him as a hapless fool; some see Aveline as honorable, others see a hypocritical and corrupt guard. While it's not always the case, usually someone on one side doesn't see the other.

I love the characters I create because they give me different perspectives.

Dragon Age: Origins EXAMPLES:
Aragon Aeducan was a dwarf of unusual loyalty. Even though I knew what was going to happen in his Origins story I played as him and had him trust Trian and Bhelen till the end. I wanted so badly to have him tell Bhelen that he forgave him and still loved him because that was the type of character he was.
He also romanced Leliana. I personally am not her biggest fan but I absolutely loved how they were together.
Everybody at camp was his best friend. In the end, he put Alistair on the throne and couldn't bring himself to do the ritual or force Alistair to. He left Leliana and Alistair to defend the gate and sacrificed himself.

On the other hand, I had Alexander Cousland. He was a racist and anti-mage. Probably the most difficult play through for me; both story and combat wise. I made him with the idea of him seeing himself as a nobleman and not a warrior.
He told Morrigans to beat it the second they arrived in Lothering, grabbed Leliana, didn't bother glancing Sten's way, destroyed the Circle Tower and Wynne, made Oghren leave, and belittled Alistair constantly... until he realized he was next in line to be King. Then he kissed his ass until he met Anora. In the end he stole the throne and married Anora while keeping Loghain alive and executing Alistair. When Morrigans returned he made Loghain do the ritual.

I also have characters who didn't do such large extremes but maybe we'll get into that later.

But do you have any games where you were able to see things from a different perspective?
Do you have any companions in Inquisition you think you might not like but have a character you think would?
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Do you have any companions in Inquisition you think you might not like but have a character you think would?

 

No, to this specific question, but I'm certainly planning on rolling at least one character with a different outlook on things.

 

I'll be roleplaying Hayden Trevelyan as opportunistic and self-centered, generally only interested in looking out for himself and the things he cares about. This means he will always put himself first, before elves and mages (though he's similar to Isabela in that he prioritizes freedom).

 

None of my other characters are like this. Revas only cares about elves (including elven mages), Samahl and Mana are both dedicated to elf and mage rights, and Issala and Meraad are generally supportive as well (though Issala has some personal conflicts that make the mage issue difficult for her).

 

That's the closest I think I'll be able to come to playing someone with completely alien views. One thing I like about the Keep is that it makes things impersonal, and will allow me to choose the difficult options (like siding with the templars in Broken Circle) I otherwise wouldn't have the heart to.



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I don't understand the question.

A character who has a different perspective than I do? I don't believe in eating the flesh of my fallen enemies or in a divine absentee father figure called the Maker.

A character who has different politics than I do? Well, I don't want to start an Exlated March against the qunari as a preemptive strike wherein my warrior Hawke does.

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Really good post OP.

 

To be honest in DAO my dwarf origin, mage origin, Cousland origin etc

were the same virtuous warden just with a different origin.

 

This time I'm planning as you describe to clamber into each character a little more.

 

For me each character has to believe they are doing the right thing from their perspective.

I'm not going to play a total s**t for the sake of it.



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I plan on playing the female Qunari Mage Inquisitor as close to full on Qun as I can - self flagellating in the best 40k psyker fashion.  That's pretty far from what I think is fair, reasonable, or likely to help save Thedas.  

 

As an aside, it's interesting you played your aeducan that way,  My Sereda Aeducan was absolutely cold-blooded - she DESPERATELY wanted to kill Bhelen, to deny him the throne, but couldn't BRING herself to because she could see that it was the least beneficial for her: she knew Bhelen was a masterful tactician and sneaky bastard, and she NEEDED that for the blight.  Similarly she really took her exile to heart - she didn't even think of herself as an Aeducan any more, and in a sense regarded the Wardens as her new 'house'.  She became a bit saner due to romancing Leliana, but she was almost...Moriartyish, still, very much a master manipulator, even if she did have actual friends and concerns now.  She was a lot better at emoting come Awakening, where (due to me finally maxing out persuasion) I decided she'd basically just learnt enough tells from people to work out their weak spots and choose an appropriate line of dialogue to get them to agree.  She let the Architect live as a gamble though - too useful a resource to squander (she almost did that for the Anvil as well - only the fact that it involved murdering dwarves prevented that).  



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But do you have any games where you were able to see things from a different perspective?

 

Yes, absolutely. None of my characters are me, and they've all done things I wouldn't have done were I in their place. (You know, assuming I were somehow magically in Thedas and a badass hero who could kill hundreds of people and slay dragons and stuff.) I try to play things from their perspective, not my own.

 

For example: were I the Warden and listening to Morrigan on the eve of battle, I would think the Dark Ritual was a bad idea. However, my 'canon' Warden felt like she'd backed herself into a corner and had no other way out. Before she knew about the ultimate sacrifice, she'd put Alistair on the throne and agreed to marry him. Never mind that she loved the big dork, she was too loyal to Ferelden to destabilise it even more by letting the new king die or leaving him to rule alone. So she put politics above her duty to the Wardens and convinced him to go through with it.

 

I've played pro-mage and pro-Templar, elf and anti-elf, and at least two characters who went around murderknifing as many people as possible just because I could. That's the beauty of roleplaying for me.


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I don't understand the question.

A character who has a different perspective than I do? I don't believe in eating the flesh of my fallen enemies or in a divine absentee father figure called the Maker.

A character who has different politics than I do? Well, I don't want to start an Exlated March against the qunari as a preemptive strike wherein my warrior Hawke does.


I didn't mean it in such a literal sense of course :)

I just meant (as an example) usually good-hearted people make good-hearted decisions and I was wondering if people would do a 180° flip.
Or if they're a really big fan of... let's say mages; would they ever play a version where their character absolutely despised them.
Things like that. :3

(I'm sorry if that didn't make too much sense; I'm not always the best at describing things :) )

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But do you have any games where you were able to see things from a different perspective?
Do you have any companions in Inquisition you think you might not like but have a character you think would?

 

Hmm, I would have to say mostly "No." All characters I create are to some degree aspects of myself; I mean, sometimes I am sarcastic, sometimes serious, sometimes quick to anger, etc. When it comes to major decisions, if I can reasonably see both sides of the coin, then I can easily create two characters who will each choose a different side. What I can't do, and have no interest in doing, is creating a character whose beliefs are completely opposite my own. So I can't create a Hawke who will sell Fenris back into slavery, I just can't. That's just one example.


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I think that was the wonderful thing about Orgins. The orgin stories coloured my view of the whole story. It helped me see things from different perspectives. That's why I really hope there will be orgin specific content in Inquisition too. I think it would be hard for me to roleplay an evil human noble in Orgins, for exampke, simply because the Couslands seem such a nice family.

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Hmm, I would have to say mostly "No." All characters I create are to some degree aspects of myself; I mean, sometimes I am sarcastic, sometimes serious, sometimes quick to anger, etc. When it comes to major decisions, if I can reasonably see both sides of the coin, then I can easily create two characters who will each choose a different side. What I can't do, and have no interest in doing, is creating a character whose beliefs are completely opposite my own. So I can't create a Hawke who will sell Fenris back into slavery, I just can't. That's just one example.


I ended up doing one character who did that... and it was so hard. I got teary eyed. So I completely understand not wanting to do it.

A lot of my characters (definitely not all of them) are in some way an aspect of myself. But that play through was really rough, but also interesting. I'll definitely never be able to do that one again :'(

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Do you have any companions in Inquisition you think you might not like but have a character you think would?

 

Of course.  Cole is getting murder-knifed at the first opportunity.  I did the whole "demon-possessed" thing with Anders.  I'm not keen on doing it again.

 

That said, I will be playing an Inquisitor that will be open to the idea of Cole(on a second or third playthrough).


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To be honest, I can't really change my politics that much in games and enjoy it. I couldn't really enjoy playing a racist or mage hating character. I make characters with different personalities, but they tends to end up rationalizing the same choices from different angles. 


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I just meant (as an example) usually good-hearted people make good-hearted decisions and I was wondering if people would do a 180° flip.
Or if they're a really big fan of... let's say mages; would they ever play a version where their character absolutely despised them.
Things like that. :3

 

I won't play a raving racist:

 

My elven mage will clearly stand up for the mages and elves.

My noble human warrior will not go out of their way to harm those groups but other priorities may mean they are harmed as a consequence.

 

I will also take a guide from the companions I plan to romance in particular playthroughs:

A romance with Cassandra will likely inform different choices than a romance with Sera.



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But do you have any games where you were able to see things from a different perspective?

 

Well, I try to do things that would make sense from an in-character perspective, so it can sometimes lead to me taking actions that allow me to see through the spectrum of the character living in that world. How far would I go if I was put into a position where the lives of thousands, millions, or even billions hanged in the balance? What kind of difficult choices would I make, if it meant stopping a threat that could mean the end of all sentient life on Thedas? My Surana Warden was quite pragmatic at times, to the point where he encouraged Avernus to continue with his research into unlocking the power of the taint, and spared the Anvil since it lead to a hundred years of peace from the darkspawn during the First Blight; it was a matter of the character recognizing the sheer threat posed by the darkspawn to all life on Thedas, while I'm not so sure I would be comfortable making those drastic decisions in real life.

 

When it came to whether or not my apostate Champion would decide to use Corypheus, my character supported Janeka (at least initially, before the corrupted carta revelation), despite the fact that I don't agree with the measure as a player; as a character, he knew how devastating the Blight could be, and a possibility to end the Blights for good was something he seriously considered as worth the risk.

 

With my upcoming elven protagonist, I could see my Dalish mage taking certain action that would put me into the mindset of the character who would do what he feels is right, based on the perspective of someone who is living as a marginalized member of a society that is constantly under threat. Maybe even to the point of taking drastic actions. Time will tell, I suppose.

 

Do you have any companions in Inquisition you think you might not like but have a character you think would?

 

Not yet. I'm going to play my Dalish mage as someone who will put up a wall around him, due to the difficult relationship between the humans and the elves, so it's not exactly something that I would do in real life, but I can see as plausible from the perspective of my fictitious protagonist.


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I feel like I'm a bit of an outlier here in that, having only played DAO once (and finished it a few weeks ago, to boot), I don't have a ton of experience with exploring a multitude of options within the game.

 

That said, the one character I did complete the game with was a Mage who started off as a nice, idealistic guy, but who was eventually ground down by the recalcitrance of all the races beholden to the Grey Warden treaties to actually help him that he spiraled down into becoming an uber-pragmatist bloodmage/arcane warrior who just murdered all of his problems because he was tired of running errands for people who owed him their allegiance anyway when the Blight was ruining Ferelden. He was still staunchly loyal to his friends, but brutalized his enemies by the endgame (Loghain being the only exception, but that's another story for another thread).

 

My point being, I would never use something like Blood Magic in real life. The implications of Blood Wound are horrific, not to mention the cost of selling Connor to the demon. But my Warden was both A) annoyed with Isolde and Eamon and B) so consumed by just getting the job done no matter what the cost that he had no problem sacrificing a few people to advance the cause of killing the Archdemon.

 

Also, he threw a knife into the back of Gentivi's head. That was ice-cold hardcore. And got Alistair's head cut off. And sided with the werewolves, because Zathrian was a huge jerk and the werewolves were forthright and honest. And werewolves. I mean, c'mon.

 

It was a rather interesting cognitive dissonance to RP him, and somehow none of my party ever deserted me in the end, despite me being a maleficar in plain sight.

 

(And yes, I know that's a clash of game mechanics and lore, I was being facetious)



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My favorite play through was Royce Cousland the Reaver King. He was ruthless, ambitious, and lusted power as much as he lusted women. He used Alistair and Eamon's support to call for a Landsmeet and colluded with Anora allowing her to keep her title in exchange for her hand (and bed) in marriage and the Crown. Alistair was later executed and his future Father-in-law, Loghain Mac Tir, joined the ranks of the Grey Wardens to pay for his crimes.

 

To get Eamon's support he saved his lands, protected his family, and sought assistance from the Circle of Magi in exorcising his son. He knew that Eamon would be indebted to him and that he would be a powerful ally in the Ferelden court. He preserved the Anvil of the Void simply because the golems would be an indispensable resource to battle the Blight and cared little for how it might affect Orzammar. He slew the Werewolves in the Brecillian Forest because he did not care about their plight. He needed Zathrian and his clan to uphold the Treaty and went about doing it in as straight forward a way as possible. He was awe-inspired by the power displayed by the Cultists of Haven. After reaching their leader, Father Kolgrim, he was convinced to bless the Old Relic with the Blood of Andraste. He was not moved or manipulated by the Spirits of the Temple and was resolute in obtaining the Power of Dragons. He freed the Prophet's spirit from it's mundane prison and ensured her new radiant form would be worshiped

 

He convinced Leliana that she was running from herself. He taught her to embrace her bloodlust. He managed to bed her and the Pirate Queen Isabela at the same time. He uncharacteristically fell in love with Morrigan, the Witch of the Wilds. In her he saw an equal. Someone who refused to bow to those beneath her and valued survival and power above all else. They made a lot of blood magic-reaver love under the moonless night. And after the Blight was defeated and Morrigan disappeared unbeknownst to the Queen he kept Leliana as his personal assassin and lover. This would be cause for scandal as he was also spending his nights with Anora.

 

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I would never do **** like that in RL.... cuz I'm Batman!

 

But it was fun playing that way. And I actually got to use the murder knife.


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I make characters with different outlook than I do and I just walk around in their shoes and make decisions but I only do it after my canon character.


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I make characters with different outlook than I do and I just walk around in their shoes and make decisions but I only do it after my canon character.


I usually have to do the different outlooks first otherwise I pansy out a feel bad lol XD

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Oh, I played a mage in DA II even though mages suck. I guess that qualifies.

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I usually have to do the different outlooks first otherwise I pansy out a feel bad lol XD

Yeah, when I did an elf play through, my outlook was way different than my human play throughs because of the background and social status of the elves versus humans.



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I would never do **** like that in RL.... cuz I'm Batman!

But it was fun playing that way. And I actually got to use the murder knife.


Lol The second I saw your username that's all I thought. Made me chuckle :)

And awesome Cousland B) *thumbs up* :D

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In Origins I enjoyed playing a racist City Elf who killed Humans every chance he got, he wanted to put the Elves in charge by installing an Elven king, but the opportunity never presented itself to him (little did he know that Allistar was Elf blooded). He did everything from insulting King Calin to letting Redcliffe burn. He even put Harrowmont on the throne because he figured that Harrowmont was the weaker of the two candidates. He gave his life to slay the Arch Demon in the hopes of becoming a hero in Elven Folklore and to give his people more rights.

I found him to be one of the most interesting characters I have ever played.



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Oh, I played a mage in DA II even though mages suck. I guess that qualifies.

Mages in DA2 were the best! What made them suck?



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My favorite play through was Royce Cousland the Reaver King. He was ruthless, ambitious, and lusted power as much as he lusted women. He used Alistair and Eamon's support to call for a Landsmeet and colluded with Anora allowing her to keep her title in exchange for her hand (and bed) in marriage and the Crown. Alistair was later executed and his future Father-in-law, Loghain Mac Tir, joined the ranks of the Grey Wardens to pay for his crimes.

 

To get Eamon's support he saved his lands, protected his family, and sought assistance from the Circle of Magi in exorcising his son. He knew that Eamon would be indebted to him and that he would be a powerful ally in the Ferelden court. He preserved the Anvil of the Void simply because the golems would be an indispensable resource to battle the Blight and cared little for how it might affect Orzammar. He slew the Werewolves in the Brecillian Forest because he did not care about their plight. He needed Zathrian and his clan to uphold the Treaty and went about doing it in as straight forward a way as possible. He was awe-inspired by the power displayed by the Cultists of Haven. After reaching their leader, Father Kolgrim, he was convinced to bless the Old Relic with the Blood of Andraste. He was not moved or manipulated by the Spirits of the Temple and was resolute in obtaining the Power of Dragons. He freed the Prophet's spirit from it's mundane prison and ensured her new radiant form would be worshiped

 

He convinced Leliana that she was running from herself. He taught her to embrace her bloodlust. He managed to bed her and the Pirate Queen Isabela at the same time. He uncharacteristically fell in love with Morrigan, the Witch of the Wilds. In her he saw an equal. Someone who refused to bow to those beneath her and valued survival and power above all else. They made a lot of blood magic-reaver love under the moonless night. And after the Blight was defeated and Morrigan disappeared unbeknownst to the Queen he kept Leliana as his personal assassin and lover. This would be cause for scandal as he was also spending his nights with Anora.

 

....

 

 

I would never do **** like that in RL.... cuz I'm Batman!

 

But it was fun playing that way. And I actually got to use the murder knife.

I hope you're Cousland burns in hell! :P  How could you let a friend die! 



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I hope you're Cousland burns in hell! :P How could you let a friend die!


Let's try to keep it calm :)
They were just doing it for that specific character.
My Cousland did it too, but my other characters didn't :)