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[Han Shot First]

I always thought DA:O's ending was a bit of a cop out in that Morrigan provides the way to escape a Warden's duty, and that they way to escape that duty is by one of the Wardens sleeping with Morrigan. If you have a male character who had been romancing Morrigan this isn't exactly a hard choice, particularly when there doesn't appear to be any negative consequences attached to birthing an Old God into the world. It is perhaps a tougher choice for those with female characters who romanced Alistair, as saving Alistair (or your Warden) requires Alistair spending the night with Morrigan. But what percentage of players rolled a Fem Warden and romanced Alistair? 

 

Unless the OGB turns out to be evil incarnate in DA:I, I'd say the Dark Ritual amounted to all Get Out of Jail Free Card.

[fhs33721]

I always thought DA:O's ending was a bit of a cop out in that Morrigan provides the way to escape a Warden's duty, and that they way to escape that duty is by one of the Wardens sleeping with Morrigan. If you have a male character who had been romancing Morrigan this isn't exactly a hard choice, particularly when there doesn't appear to be any negative consequences attached to birthing an Old God into the world. It is perhaps a tougher choice for those with female characters who romanced Alistair, as saving Alistair (or your Warden) requires Alistair spending the night with Morrigan. But what percentage of players rolled a Fem Warden and romanced Alistair? 

 

Unless the OGB turns out to be evil incarnate in DA:I, I'd say the Dark Ritual amounted to all Get Out of Jail Free Card.

From a meta-perspective every it is indeed a cheap cop out since the dark ritual  won't actually change the world of Thedas is any meaningful way and at the same time let's you get all of your friends out alive.

Right now there are zero downsides to the dark ritual and I guess there won't be any in the future either. Although I'd personally find it amusing if a DAI game with the OGB in it would result in Morrigans death, just to see her fans cry.

Or rather because it would actually create a meaningful consequence for once.

[Milan92]

I always thought DA:O's ending was a bit of a cop out in that Morrigan provides the way to escape a Warden's duty, and that they way to escape that duty is by one of the Wardens sleeping with Morrigan. If you have a male character who had been romancing Morrigan this isn't exactly a hard choice, particularly when there doesn't appear to be any negative consequences attached to birthing an Old God into the world. It is perhaps a tougher choice for those with female characters who romanced Alistair, as saving Alistair (or your Warden) requires Alistair spending the night with Morrigan. But what percentage of players rolled a Fem Warden and romanced Alistair? 

 

Unless the OGB turns out to be evil incarnate in DA:I, I'd say the Dark Ritual amounted to all Get Out of Jail Free Card.

 

i do hope that some consequenses will happen if you give Morrigan the OGB. Though I seriously doubt they are gonna be big, since you can avoid the OGB completely. Which btw makes me hope that we won't get another Rachni Queen like in ME 3.

 

All in all I'm gonna be fine both ways. If the OGB comes with not too many consequences then I'll keep it and otherwise I'll just let Loghain sacrifice himself.

[Killdren88]

I always thought DA:O's ending was a bit of a cop out in that Morrigan provides the way to escape a Warden's duty, and that they way to escape that duty is by one of the Wardens sleeping with Morrigan. If you have a male character who had been romancing Morrigan this isn't exactly a hard choice, particularly when there doesn't appear to be any negative consequences attached to birthing an Old God into the world. It is perhaps a tougher choice for those with female characters who romanced Alistair, as saving Alistair (or your Warden) requires Alistair spending the night with Morrigan. But what percentage of players rolled a Fem Warden and romanced Alistair?

Unless the OGB turns out to be evil incarnate in DA:I, I'd say the Dark Ritual amounted to all Get Out of Jail Free Card.

You say that like its a bad thing. I realize that Dragon Age is dark fantasy. Things will get dire, things will get depressioning. But there should always be a way to stumble into the light. Adding too much darkness for the sake of darkness leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.

Look at Lord of the Rings. In the book if I recall the Shire turned in to a industrialized wasteland. Yet in the films it remained prestine and untouched. It you ask me that was a positive change. After all the darkness and hopelessness in Return of the King, you need a light at the end of the tunnel. Otherwise you get nothing but bitterness and honestly the world is bitter enough. The point of media like this is to make us forget about that fact. Not remind us.

[Han Shot First]

You say that like its a bad thing. I realize that Dragon Age is dark fantasy. Things will get dire, things will get depressioning. But there should always be a way to stumble into the light. Adding too much darkness for the sake of darkness leaves a bitter taste in your mouth.

Look at Lord of the Rings. In the book if I recall the Shire turned in to a industrialized wasteland. Yet in the films it remained prestine and untouched. It you ask me that was a positive change. After all the darkness and hopelessness in Return of the King, you need a light at the end of the tunnel. Otherwise you get nothing but bitterness and honestly the world is bitter enough. The point of media like this is to make us forget about that fact. Not remind us.

 

The problem with providing multiple endings where one is happy and has no negative consequences, while the others are bittersweet, is that is there isn't much reason to choose any ending except for the one that doesn't have consequences. The Dark Ritual, at least for male characters that are romancing Morrigan, is an example of that. Why choose to die when that character can survive simply by having sex with his girlfriend?

 

That goes out of the window of course if the OGB turns out to be evil incarnate or some kind of threat to the world, but I'm a bit skeptical that they'll end up going that route.

 

I also disagree that the point of the fantasy genre is to make us forget about the horrible things in the world. While some stories might just be escapist fiction, not all of them are. 

[Dabrikishaw]

I just have to say something. What's "cliche" is such a personal thing that it's utterly useless as a means of writing a story. An ending, good or bad, should proceed naturally from the events and themes of a work, not be decided upon just because it's "less cliche"

[Tinxa]

I'm hoping for a variety of endings but i'd prefer if the "bad" or "you die" ending is a result of choices close to the ending like in DAO. That way at least I'll pick it once and get to see it.

 

I really don't like it when "bad" endings are the result of a completely incompetent playthrough or even missing content on purpose. I really hated when ME2 did that. I play a game to play it and not to miss all companion loyalty missions and skipping half the game just to get a different ending.

[Han Shot First]

 

I really don't like it when "bad" endings are the result of a completely incompetent playthrough or even missing content on purpose. I really hated when ME2 did that. I play a game to play it and not to miss all companion loyalty missions and skipping half the game just to get a different ending.

 

The Suicide Mission in Mass Effect 2 is probably one of my favorite missions of the series, but the one gripe I did have was that everyone could make it out unscathed. I thought the finale would have played out better if it was a bit more like Virmire, with some unavoidable character deaths that were determined by player choices.

[Kimarous]

I always thought DA:O's ending was a bit of a cop out in that Morrigan provides the way to escape a Warden's duty, and that they way to escape that duty is by one of the Wardens sleeping with Morrigan. If you have a male character who had been romancing Morrigan this isn't exactly a hard choice, particularly when there doesn't appear to be any negative consequences attached to birthing an Old God into the world. It is perhaps a tougher choice for those with female characters who romanced Alistair, as saving Alistair (or your Warden) requires Alistair spending the night with Morrigan. But what percentage of players rolled a Fem Warden and romanced Alistair? 

 

Unless the OGB turns out to be evil incarnate in DA:I, I'd say the Dark Ritual amounted to all Get Out of Jail Free Card.

 

I rejected the Dark Ritual and still got my happy-ish ending. My Warden's reasoning, besides staying loyal to Leliana, was that purifying and resurrecting the soul of an Old God meant that there was the potential for an extra Blight - there are seven Old Gods, five of which turned into Archdemons and killed... but if you make the OGB, that fifth Old God suddenly ends up an eighth. On top of that, Loghain outright volunteered to make the Ultimate Sacrifice to atone for his actions, so he both saved the world and redeemed himself at the same time. Sure, I severely damaged my friendships with Morrigan and Hardened King Alistair in the process, but otherwise it still turned out fairly happy and I didn't have to rely on some "Get Out of Jail Free" card to do it.

[dragonflight288]

What about a satisfying 'bittersweet' ending that answers all the questions and leaves no plotholes based on player choice?

[Voxr]

What about a satisfying 'bittersweet' ending that answers all the questions and leaves no plotholes based on player choice?

Blasphemy!!!!!

[javeart]

I rejected the Dark Ritual and still got my happy-ish ending. My Warden's reasoning, besides staying loyal to Leliana, was that purifying and resurrecting the soul of an Old God meant that there was the potential for an extra Blight - there are seven Old Gods, five of which turned into Archdemons and killed... but if you make the OGB, that fifth Old God suddenly ends up an eighth. On top of that, Loghain outright volunteered to make the Ultimate Sacrifice to atone for his actions, so he both saved the world and redeemed himself at the same time. Sure, I severely damaged my friendships with Morrigan and Hardened King Alistair in the process, but otherwise it still turned out fairly happy and I didn't have to rely on some "Get Out of Jail Free" card to do it.

 

I feel the same way, but I think that there's no middle ground until we find out what the consequences are: people who trust Morrigan (or have faith int the writers benevolence  ) will always see the DR ending as the perfect ending, because they see it as "nothing is wrong so far", while the people who think that the risk it's too high, will see it as flawed as any other ending, if not more, because the risk already makes it wrong (and it's a huge risk, so it's a huge flaw). Which is cool, I guess, because that's what makes other endings appealing and satisfying to other people, not only to those that go with the tragic ending once in a while just for variety sake.  

[LobselVith8]

I always thought DA:O's ending was a bit of a cop out in that Morrigan provides the way to escape a Warden's duty, and that they way to escape that duty is by one of the Wardens sleeping with Morrigan. If you have a male character who had been romancing Morrigan this isn't exactly a hard choice, particularly when there doesn't appear to be any negative consequences attached to birthing an Old God into the world. It is perhaps a tougher choice for those with female characters who romanced Alistair, as saving Alistair (or your Warden) requires Alistair spending the night with Morrigan. But what percentage of players rolled a Fem Warden and romanced Alistair? 

 

It wasn't really a "happy ending" in Origins if you romanced Morrigan because she was leaving, either way. The dark ritual was a means of her allowing someone she had come to genuinely care about and love be spared from the dissolution of their soul upon striking the killing blow to the Archdemon, but the conclusion to Origins never clarified whether or not the Warden would ever see her again. It felt bittersweet to be alive, but to be alone.

 

Unless the OGB turns out to be evil incarnate in DA:I, I'd say the Dark Ritual amounted to all Get Out of Jail Free Card.

 

I think it amounted to taking a leap of faith about Morrigan.

[Maria Caliban]

I'd already dropped Alistiar and was looking for a way to kill Loghain. When Rodian told me whomever got the killing blow would die, their soul destroyed, I was thrilled.

I took the DR anyway though. It was interesting and I considered Morrigan a friend. Even though she was a *****, I figured she wouldn't abuse her own child.

[Palidane]

I think it amounted to taking a leap of faith about Morrigan.

Huh. I never thought of it that way. But you're right, that's exactly what it is. A question of trust.

 

Did you do the Dark Ritual, Lobsel?

[Paul E Dangerously]

While some people don't like "happy" endings (like the Circle solution to Connor, the Dark Ritual, etc) I tend to dislike things that all have choices that wind up kicking you in the nuts. There are times this works well, yes, but there are plenty of times where it just feels like someone's trying to be "deep" by having all choices that all have negative consequences.

 

While not an RPG, I'll point out Army of Two: The 40th Day here, where literally every good choice wound up backfiring on you.

[godModeAlpha]

The Suicide Mission in Mass Effect 2 is probably one of my favorite missions of the series, but the one gripe I did have was that everyone could make it out unscathed. I thought the finale would have played out better if it was a bit more like Virmire, with some unavoidable character deaths that were determined by player choices.

I recall characters died due to my actions, for example Thane used in the wrong place, Miranda is another example?

Problem I sense is people would deem it a sad ending if some characters were going to die (compulsory), especially if characters that players connected with were chosen.

[Aaleel]

I've had Warden's who did the DR, and others who wanted to end things on those terms rather than to start hearing voices of Old Gods, seeking out darkspawn and going on their calling.  It all depends on how you play the character.

 

I think endings should be like the Virmire mission in ME, my favorite in the series.  Things are not always going to go well, on that missions you could lose just Kaiden/Ashley, or you could lose Kaiden/Ashley, Wrex, commander Kirrahe and his team.  It could be something in between, all based on your decisions you made, but you couldn't walk out unscathed.

 

That was my problem with Suicide Mission.  After all of that it was very little drama.  There were pretty obvious choices for all the assignments, and you don't even have to be near a completionist to have done all the upgrades.  I didn't even have everyone's loyalty because of the Miranda/Jack fight and still no one died.  It ended up just being just a bunch of fighting.  It didn't even have a great dialogue exchange like Sovereign on Virmire. 

[Maria Caliban]

I've had Warden's who did the DR, and others who wanted to end things on those terms rather than to start hearing voices of Old Gods, seeking out darkspawn and going on their calling.  It all depends on how you play the character.

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That was my problem with Suicide Mission.  After all of that it was very little drama.  There were pretty obvious choices for all the assignments, and you don't even have to be near a completionist to have done all the upgrades.

The average person started the suicide mission with 40% of the available upgrades.

If you play the game multiple times, your concept of completionist or near completionist is probably wildly different from that of the average player.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I think endings should be like the Virmire mission in ME, my favorite in the series.  Things are not always going to go well, on that missions you could lose just Kaiden/Ashley, or you could lose Kaiden/Ashley, Wrex, commander Kirrahe and his team.  It could be something in between, all based on your decisions you made, but you couldn't walk out unscathed.

The moment Bioware does that is the moment I don't buy Bioware games anymore. I hate the "What flavor of depressing ending do you want?" thing. If I want nothing but hopelessness and depression, I'll go outside.  

[Palidane]

The moment Bioware does that is the moment I don't buy Bioware games anymore. I hate the "What flavor of depressing ending do you want?" thing. If I want nothing but hopelessness and depression, I'll go outside.  

How is that a depressing ending? At best, you lose one person. Sky's not exactly falling...

[Hanako Ikezawa]

How is that a depressing ending? At best, you lose one person. Sky's not exactly falling...

Losing that one person is depressing. If I play right, I should be able to get everyone through it. 

[Aaleel]

The average person started the suicide mission with 40% of the available upgrades.

If you play the game multiple times, your concept of completionist or near completionist is probably wildly different from that of the average player.

 

That's kind of shocking to me.  That means the average person only had one or two upgrades, with one being the majority.  We're talking about weapons, shields, and armor going into a final battle.  I could see if they counted the probes, fuel and scanner, but those aren't counted towards the ending.  I would think more people than not would get the main three upgrades, but you learn something new everyday. 

[Aaleel]

Losing that one person is depressing. If I play right, I should be able to get everyone through it. 

 

Having puppies and rainbows at the end of every game would get old to me fast.  If it's really war people are going to die, I don't care how good a commander you are.  Make their sacrifice worth while, let it inspire you to do more, finish the mission.  The PC is not infallible, as poorly as they handled Thessia in ME3, I appreciate what they were trying to do. 

[LobselVith8]

Huh. I never thought of it that way. But you're right, that's exactly what it is. A question of trust.

 

Did you do the Dark Ritual, Lobsel?

 

Yes, my (canon) Surana Warden performed the Dark Ritual, as Morrigan was a person he loved and trusted.