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[dragonflight288]

We have a mages deserving freedom and an elves deserving a homeland thread, so I thought I'd bring up an issue that is probably and ultimately more important in the grand scheme of things. 

 

Do the dwarves deserve aid from the surface in fighting the darkspawn?

 

It seems to me that the surface has a tendency to forget that there's a darkspawn problem AFTER every blight, but when there is one, they are scrambling left and right to find a way to stop it...mostly. The darkspawn aren't seen as a major threat to the surface until they are on their very doorstep. And then, when they are, they want aid then and there, from Grey Wardens, from other nobles, from dwarves and so on. 

 

Do not the dwarves deserve the same aid when there isn't a blight? As Legion of the Dead commander Kardol says, "Why should I worry about such things? Your blight is my everday."

 

If given an opportunity as the Inquisitor to aid the dwarves, would you take it?

[Chernaya]

I know the grey wardens help them with it sometimes, but I think generally why the dwarves don't get much aide is because they don't really welcome outsiders. I would be all for helping them, though, if offered a chance. 

[LOLandStuff]

Maybe they should let their own help instead of leaving them squat in the dirt.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'd help them if they agree to demolish the caste system. 

[Pokemario]

Maybe they should let their own help instead of leaving them squat in the dirt.

 

Bhelen does that. Sort of.

[BlueFlame527]

Yes, but I would only send those who wish to aid them. I could see this as being something we could do to gain their support in Inquisition to help fight against the demons in return for us to help fight against the darkspawn. Then again demons have been known to appear in the Deep Roads (hunger demon in DA2) so we may at some point have to help them if the threat of demons have indeed spread to the underground.

[dragonflight288]

I know the grey wardens help them with it sometimes, but I think generally why the dwarves don't get much aide is because they don't really welcome outsiders. I would be all for helping them, though, if offered a chance. 

 

There is the example of the honorable outsider. An elf who, following a blight, decided to come down and joined up with a military expedition. They weren't too thrilled about it, but eventually treated him as one of their own, and gave him a dwarven burial. 

 

I know they highly respect the Grey Wardens because the Grey Wardens routinely go down and fight the darkspawn, often in their callings, and they are some of the only surfacers alive who know what they go through. 

 

I'm sure they'd be suspicious if the offer of help came, but if it was strong enough, and sincere enough, you'd earn respect among them. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Bhelen does that. Sort of.

I hope they stick with it instead of it just being another rumor. 

[Illyria God King of the Primordium]

Yeah, as I always make Bhelen the lunatic revolutionary king I'd love to help the dwarves.  My favourite ever Origins playthrough was as a dwarf.  Besides, it'd be interesting to see Varric's reaction to Orzammar/The Deep Roads again.  

[LobselVith8]

Maybe they should let their own help instead of leaving them squat in the dirt.

 

Bhelen gives the casteless more freedoms in exchange for fighting the darkspawn.

 

I also think that a threat as grave as the darkspawn deserves to be dealt with - they have overrun the dwarven thaigs that run the entire expanse of Thedas, they literally corrupt anything they touch (from the earth to objects and weapons), and they may turn their attention towards the surface once both of the remaining Old Gods have been dealt with (as the Song preoccupies them after the end of the Blight).

 

I imagine things may get much worse if nothing is done. The dwarves are the only thing standing between the darkspawn and the surface, and they deserve aid.

[Hellion Rex]

I hope they stick with it instead of it just being another rumor. 

Agreed. Bhelen was one of hell of a pragmatist, but I do think he's much better for Orzammar than Harrowmont.

[Pokemario]

I don't know. They never really complained on how they're on their own fighting darkspawn. Plus,they don't seem to need aid,since they wouldn't let Casteless join their ranks.

[KaiserShep]

I'd help them...look up new real estate. Maker forbid they should leave that hellhole of theirs.

[LOLandStuff]

Only if you choose him. But the caste still gets pretty butthurt over it.

They're dying out and their major concern is their honor or whatever. No wonder so many run to the surface.

They need some fresh air to think clearly since they're surrounded by magma. Must be boiling their brains stupid.

[BlueFlame527]

Agreed. Bhelen was one of hell of a pragmatist, but I do think he's much better for Orzammar than Harrowmont.

I wonder if the situation for those who chose Harrowmont (like me) gets resolved. I would think they would have a new ruler by DAI.

[Dabrikishaw]

Yes. There's no real reason to contest that the dwarfs need help fighting darkspawn. 

[Chernaya]

I guess I'm moreso thinking about the dwarves in general instead of the ones who hold all the the power and control the caste system and such. I like the dwarves as a people, even though they live in an unjust society. I would still like to help them.

[LobselVith8]

I guess I'm moreso thinking about the dwarves in general instead of the ones who hold all the the power and control the caste system and such. I like the dwarves as a people, even though they live in an unjust society. I would still like to help them.

 

Yeah, I feel the same way; putting an end to creatures who can bring about the apocalypse for all life in the known world should take priority over how asinine the dwarven caste system is.

[Walrider]

To further add to this, what if you let the Architect live, and his influence ended up spreading over the Darkspawn? Depending on how things played out, the newly-sentient Darkspawn could either prove to be amiable to truce, if not outright peace, or the dwarves will end up with an even more dangerous foe on their doorstep.

 

I could see them needing help either way.

[Reznore57]

I would want to help them on principle , because their situation is really dire.

But the dwarves....They are shooting themselves in the foot with their caste system.It's cruel and not helping at all.

Also their Legion of the Dead , those men and women could be more valuable if they would go through the joigning and reports back to Orzammar ...

 

I'm way more interested in Kal Sharok , it seems they are more open minded.

[Icy Magebane]

The dwarves don't seem too thrilled with the idea of letting foreigners enter the city whenever they want, but it seems obvious that the Chantry would have some interest in keeping Orzammar strong.  Without the dwarves, how are they supposed to mine lyrium and maintain control over the Templars and mages?  Of course, the situation is different now that we have the mage rebellion going on, but it seems like something they would have considered over the last few centuries.

[Hellion Rex]

I wonder if the situation for those who chose Harrowmont (like me) gets resolved. I would think they would have a new ruler by DAI.

It's only been a decade, so Bhelen would definitely still be ruling. No clue about Harrowmont.

[TheodoricFriede]

The Bhelen scenario is honestly the best thing Bioware has ever written. Because the results are amazing.

 

Most people support Bhelen. I do as well. But Bhelen is a horrible, evil, conniving slug.

He's a brutal dictator, arrogant, self serving, and rules trough fear. He dissolved the Assembly and essentially removed any form of democracy. He murders anyone who might be a threat to him, and wipes out their entire family.

 

But in spite of all this, people still support him because he is more willing to trade with the surface, and has eased (not removed) caste restrictions. Basically allowing casteless defend Orzammar.

 

Its brilliant.

 

I hope that the ultimate take-a-way from Bhelens rule is "Was it worth it?"

[LobselVith8]

The dwarves don't seem too thrilled with the idea of letting foreigners enter the city whenever they want, but it seems obvious that the Chantry would have some interest in keeping Orzammar strong.  Without the dwarves, how are they supposed to mine lyrium and maintain control over the Templars and mages?  Of course, the situation is different now that we have the mage rebellion going on, but it seems like something they would have considered over the last few centuries.

 

Lyrium is also invaluable for the Inquisition that brings in either the templars or the mages into the fold (after bringing an end to the Mage-Templar War), so I can see the Inquisitor recognizing the benefit to helping the dwarves reclaim the lost thaigs and dealing with the darkspawn. If the anvil is spared, perhaps the dwarves may lend some golems to the Inquisition.