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[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

Understood. I don't like their caste system or their oppressive tradition too, but I personally think while flood the Deep Roads may be one effective way to wipe the Darkspawn out it's too risky to every inhabited thaigs and the surface world.

I guess we have to gamble our chance with the Architect or find the other way to wipe the Darkspawn.

 

 

I would love the Architect to be one of those choices where most people think siding with him is stupid or evil but a few games later turns out to be the smart and good choice. I'd feel accomplished that something you take on faith in Thedas turned out to be right.

[Feybrad]

I love this kind of Threads. I will always have the same Answer.

 

They shall submit to the Qun.

 

In that Case, we shall help them.

[Elite Midget]

To further add to this, what if you let the Architect live, and his influence ended up spreading over the Darkspawn? Depending on how things played out, the newly-sentient Darkspawn could either prove to be amiable to truce, if not outright peace, or the dwarves will end up with an even more dangerous foe on their doorstep.

 

I could see them needing help either way.

The Architect is no ally of non-Darkspawn. This is made very clear in the Novels and Awakening. His priority is the Darkspawn and what he has planned wouldn't end well for the non-Darkspawn at all.

[EmperorSahlertz]

Do the Dwarves deserve aid? No. Do they need aid? Yes.

[Former_Fiend]

The Architect is no ally of non-Darkspawn. This is made very clear in the Novels and Awakening. His priority is the Darkspawn and what he has planned wouldn't end well for the non-Darkspawn at all.

 

I don't know, the Architect struck me more as the ultimate "big picture" guy. His ultimate goal seems to be a degree of peace between the darkspawn and everyone else, but he's willing to climb over a mountain of bodies to get there.

[Pierce Miller]

To be honest I think everyone is content to let the dwarves throw themselves against the darkspawn. I doubt the humans or elves are capable of recognising real threats and I say this as a human player

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

I don't know, the Architect struck me more as the ultimate "big picture" guy. His ultimate goal seems to be a degree of peace between the darkspawn and everyone else, but he's willing to climb over a mountain of bodies to get there.

Not to mention they are many who will stand in it's way and many more who wouldn't understand its ultimate goal. That said if it intends on keeping its word and its free-Darkspawn society find a way to fit in with other civilization then this should turn out to be good for everyone. I doubt it'll be easy as that nor it's trustworthy fellow it's a big risk and this one could be back-fire.

 

To be honest I think everyone is content to let the dwarves throw themselves against the darkspawn. I doubt the humans or elves are capable of recognising real threats and I say this as a human player

Speak for yourself, sir. However you are correct the Human nations of Thedas or the Elves already have enough problem of their own to worry about the Dwarven's plight, but it's most unwise to ignore the common threat that'll someday emerge unopposed if left unchecked and ignored.

[Vortex13]

The Dwarves need aid, doubly so if they are having to deal with both the Darkspawn and Demons pouring through underground Fade rifts.

 

Luckily, my Warden preserved the Anvil of the Void, so I intend to have my Inquisitor (once he learns that the Anvil still exists) send forces down to become Golems; bolstering both the Dwarven forces, as well as the Inquisition. If nothing else, my Inquisitor will get a slight percentage of the Golems that are created; probably every tenth Golem made would go to the Inquisition. 

 

My Inquisitor is not going to be a monster, he will ask for volunteers, granting the families of those that choose to sacrifice themselves generous compensation and hopefully (if the finer points of the Anvil have been mastered) allow those that volunteer to retain their minds after the transference. Ultimately though, relying on the use of volunteers will only get us so far, that is why my Inquisitor will also use criminals, murderers, etc. to fill out the bulk of the (mindless) Golem troops; and with the Inquisition having to sort out everyone else's crap, there will be no shortage of those to be found.

 

In the Inquisitor's quest to end the mage/templar war, anyone that is unwilling to agree to his terms of a truce; any hardliner mages or templars that want to continue the fighting are being sent to the Anvil. Any Orlesian, Ferelden, or Tevinter nobles that seek to undermine his efforts to save the world are being sent to the Anvil. Any anarchist parties among humans or elves, people that want to continue fueling racial bigotry, instead of coming together to battle a world threatening event are been sent to the Anvil. No exceptions, and no excuses. 

 

 

 

I would love the Architect to be one of those choices where most people think siding with him is stupid or evil but a few games later turns out to be the smart and good choice. I'd feel accomplished that something you take on faith in Thedas turned out to be right.

 

 

Personally, I would rather it be the Messenger that ends up helping then the Architect. The Messenger was fully aware of what he was, and what others viewed him as, but he still wanted to help. The Architect was more interested in forcing peace by turning everyone into Darkspawn hybrids, then actually trying to offer any olive branches. Plus the part of me that roots for the underdog wants to see the 'common' Messenger beat the 'übermench' Architect/Corypheus in terms of both importance to the story, and in combat as well. 

[Farci Reprimer]

 

As Oghren says to Velanna, it is only a matter of time before Darkspawn eradicate the dwarven kingdom. They are doomed to die off sooner or later.

As are the elves.

And Qunari actually.

Only the humans shall inherit the earth of Thedas. Maybe to save some time humans should quickly simply

[TheKomandorShepard]

chop

You know that Branka took anvil and golems and broke off contact with orzammar or at least that how it was in epilogue.

[MisterJB]

I guess we have to gamble our chance with the Architect

Giving Darkspawn intelligence would make them a hundred times worse.

You'd have yet another race competing for resources and living space in Thedas except this race is immortal, doesn't need to eat and requires your females to reproduce.

[Steelcan]

they need the aid that's for sure... I wish that a non-dwarf Warden could ask to send forces down into the Deep Roads, its the only boon even worth bothering with

[Yinello]

In an ideal world, of course the Dwarves deserve aid. Ideally you come to each other's plights because you know that in the long run it's the best for everyone, no matter how different their cultures are.

 

But it's not an ideal world. The holier-than-thou types will let the Dwarves battle on endlessly for having the caste system without attempting to change it (or attempt to change it towards their own system without understanding the history and traditions of the Dwarves, thus coming over as jerks), the racists hope they die off soon and most others just couldn't care less if it doesn't affect them directly.

 

This is why in DA:O and DA:A I made a big deal of always helping the Legion of the Dead and favoring those loosening (possible abolishing) the caste system. If I can, I will continue to do so in DA:I.

[WardenWade]

We have a mages deserving freedom and an elves deserving a homeland thread, so I thought I'd bring up an issue that is probably and ultimately more important in the grand scheme of things. 

 

Do the dwarves deserve aid from the surface in fighting the darkspawn?

 

It seems to me that the surface has a tendency to forget that there's a darkspawn problem AFTER every blight, but when there is one, they are scrambling left and right to find a way to stop it...mostly. The darkspawn aren't seen as a major threat to the surface until they are on their very doorstep. And then, when they are, they want aid then and there, from Grey Wardens, from other nobles, from dwarves and so on. 

 

Do not the dwarves deserve the same aid when there isn't a blight? As Legion of the Dead commander Kardol says, "Why should I worry about such things? Your blight is my everday."

 

If given an opportunity as the Inquisitor to aid the dwarves, would you take it?

Yes, absolutely   Their plight often goes unrecognized, and I'd like to help them...I'd like to help every faction or race I can.

[umadcommander]

the darkspawn are a tangible threat to everyone so giving them aid is a simple choice, as long as you dont have an idiot who would turn soldiers away at the gates on the throne of course

[Vortex13]

You know that Branka took anvil and golems and broke off contact with orzammar or at least that how it was in epilogue.

 

 

Then what better way for the Inquisition to earn favor with Orzrammar then by reclaiming the Anvil of the Void and start supplying the dwarves with fresh Golems?

[TheKomandorShepard]

they need the aid that's for sure... I wish that a non-dwarf Warden could ask to send forces down into the Deep Roads, its the only boon even worth bothering with

Well it would be but then humans changed their minds when they were on the way to orzammar.

To be honest im starting to think that best boon would be chancellor or ask for wealth (and only those matter) as at least that affects our warden.As boons that change world are thrown away very fast magi boon and dalish boon are already in trash and noble human boon didn't even matter.

 

 

Then what better way for the Inquisition to earn favor with Orzrammar then by reclaiming the Anvil of the Void and start supplying the dwarves with fresh Golems?

Well if you want fight with an army of golems in the middle of the deep roads with darkspawn that will invite themeslves on that party oh and our beloved harvesters may come in.

[Elite Midget]

I don't know, the Architect struck me more as the ultimate "big picture" guy. His ultimate goal seems to be a degree of peace between the darkspawn and everyone else, but he's willing to climb over a mountain of bodies to get there.

What he's offering isn't peace as there's always going to be conflict - Only the actors would change to the image wants. From feading the novels it's quite clear how sour the sinister truth to what he wants to accomplish really is and what's necessary for it to become a reality. If he had his way billions would die for the off-chance that his plan may work.

 

Based upon what we've seen with the Mother it's clear that his plan, ignoring the death toll, isn't even full proof anyway.

[Vortex13]

Well if you want fight with an army of golems in the middle of the deep roads with darkspawn that will invite themeslves on that party oh and our beloved harvesters may come in.

 

 

Ah, but luckily I will be able to replace my losses with rock/steel automatons that are more then a match for (at least) 10 - 15 soldiers, and they don't need to eat, or sleep, and they follow orders without question (at least the mindless ones do). 

[TheKomandorShepard]

Ah, but luckily I will be able to replace my losses with rock/steel automatons that are more then a match for (at least) 10 - 15 soldiers, and they don't need to eat, or sleep, and they follow orders without question (at least the mindless ones do). 

Well that if you win it may be hard (as far i renember dwarves tried and were crushed) as i said but you have to thank our wardens for part of it as they were one who let harvesters escape.

 

To be honest i would be rather suprised if inq could handle such situation well perhaps near the end of the game but im pretty sure that bio may get lazy about it and even not give us option to do that .
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[Vortex13]

Well that if you win it may be hard (as far i renember dwarves tried and were crushed) as i said but you have to thank our wardens for part of it as they were one who let harvesters escape.

 

To be honest i would be rather suprised if inq could handle such situation well perhaps near the end of the game but im pretty sure that bio may get lazy about it and even not give us to do that .
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True, but the Harvesters, Darkspawn and Demons are going to be fighting Branka's forces as well as mine; and unlike Branka, I have a means of closing the Fade tears, as well as a lot more troops at my disposal.

 

She may slow me down, but she is not going to stop me. 

[Warden Commander Aeducan]

Giving Darkspawn intelligence would make them a hundred times worse.

You'd have yet another race competing for resources and living space in Thedas except this race is immortal, doesn't need to eat and requires your females to reproduce.

My previous statement are meant for people who spare him. :]
 

Actually, I didn't spare the Architect since I don't want to gamble with something beyond my control that could cost entire Thedas. I don't even want to give the Architect a chance to create more intelligent Darkspawn. While some people believe they are a potential powerful ally they are also potentially powerful enemy in the future, the mindless horde alone nearly destroys Thedas an intelligent Darkspawn could prove far more than the world to handle. Not to mention the new free-darkspawn society will need resources and living space. It's not like other civilization would share it with them nor the Darkspawn won't try to take it by force, and it's easier for people to contact with the taint if there are darkspawn living near them. That and minus the whole eating or turning your female into broodmother that no one finds it acceptable since you already mentioned those.

[TheKomandorShepard]

True, but the Harvesters, Darkspawn and Demons are going to be fighting Branka's forces as well as mine; and unlike Branka, I have a means of closing the Fade tears, as well as a lot more troops at my disposal.

 

She may slow me down, but she is not going to stop me. 

Wait so on the deep roads there is veil torn as well? But i doubt that it will be near Branka as i said bio tend to be lazy and would create 2 sections of the game where branka is alive with army of golems and for those that destroyed anvil.

 

You don't need army for this you need Inquisitor only s/he can crush army of golems and harvesters.   

[Cat Fancy]

If the Inquisitor gives aid to Orzammar, will anti-imperialist Thedosians (think Saemus Milne) denounce them for strengthening the corrupt casteist regime?

Don't the darkspawn have only a few Old Gods to work through? The last blight was quickly defeated by a couple of rookie Wardens. The darkspawn don't seem particularly threatening at the moment, and perhaps even in the future. Surface states might think it prudent to just let the two weak subterranean races weaken each other so surfacers (?) can lay claim to parts of the ancient dwarven empire beneath them. I wouldn't do this, but Thedosian leaders suuuuuuuuck.

[dragonflight288]

I wonder if the Dwarves would be okay with us clearing out the Deep Roads near an ocean, then mine until we hit said ocean. That would flood the Deep Roads and drown the Darkspawn. 

 

Considering the Deep Roads are all connected, you'd also flood Orzammar, or make lyrium mining near impossible.