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[Jigglypuff]

Her voice was way too deep for a girl but I have met girls with deep voices so . . .

[Just My Moniker]

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Serendipity

 

Yes, Serendipity is transgender.

[Jigglypuff]

http://dragonage.wik...iki/Serendipity

 

Yes, Serendipity is transgender.

 

Thanks that's prettty cool of bioware.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

Serendipity's appearance in the Mark of the Assassin (I think that's what its called) DLC is pretty funny if Hawke already knew Serendipity from Kirkwall.

[TheMadHarridan]

Serendipity's appearance in the Mark of the Assassin (I think that's what its called) DLC is pretty funny if Hawke already knew Serendipity from Kirkwall.

 

"Honey Badger!"

 

I about died laughing.   

[DracoAngel]

"Honey Badger!"

 

I about died laughing.   

 

I recently had that! I thought it was hilarious!... until my husband told me what a honey badger was to truck drivers. Wasn't as nearly cute anymore...

[Samahl]

First of all, the t-word is a slur, and secondly, Serendipity is a drag queen, not a trans woman. She is not meant to represent trans people in any way, and her depiction is offensive regardless.

[Joseph Warrick]

How on earth is Serendipity a drag queen? This is a drag queen. Serendipity looks nothing like that.

[Samahl]

How on earth is Serendipity a drag queen? This is a drag queen. Serendipity looks nothing like that.

"When the Mark of the Assassin expansion came out for DA2, we included a cameo for our favorite brothel prostitute, Serendipity. Why? Because we like her. We never thought of her as transgender, per se— she’s more of a drag queen, in attitude if not in appearance (lacking the appropriate options, else that’s what she would have been). But the difference is moot when it comes to perceptions, and therein lay the problem: due to a bad line link and the fact we’d only ever included transgender characters as sex workers and comedic relief, it really seemed like she was there to be gawked at and laughed at."

- David Gaider

Source: http://dgaider.tumbl...nder-characters

[Joseph Warrick]

Well, given the recent Orlesian fashion screenshots from Inquisition, I'm sure drag queens will be able to look as glamorous as they'd like to from here on.

[Sifr]

First of all, the t-word is a slur, and secondly, Serendipity is a drag queen, not a trans woman. She is not meant to represent trans people in any way, and her depiction is offensive regardless.

 

While I agree that the t-word's a slur, how is the depiction of her offensive? While Serendipity might be better classed as a drag queen, as Gaider notes, if she'd had the means to have become a woman, she'd more than likely have taken the plunge and done so.

 

He's right in saying that some people might have been put off or offended because we have admittedly seen quite a few transgendered individuals (and a few transvetites as well) acting as sex workers, I'd counter that the fact that Bran is willing to take her as his date to a party with nobility (Orlesian nobility, granted, but still) suggests that people are suprisingly open in Thedas about such things. No-one's making fun of her, nor do many people seem to raise eyebrows about people who choose to live an alternative lifestyle?

 

It is a fine line to walk when including such characters, I'll admit, but I think Serendipity and Mae are depicted well, overall.

[mikeymoonshine]

Well, given the recent Orlesian fashion screenshots from Inquisition, I'm sure drag queens will be able to look as glamorous as they'd like to from here on.

 

I would say she/he is more of a transvestite as for her not looking like a man in drag well you can chalk that up to bioware not taking the time to design a male elf who's dressed up as a female, I guess.  

[mikeymoonshine]

While I agree that the t-word's a slur, how is the depiction of her offensive? While Serendipity might be better classed as a drag queen, as Gaider notes, if she'd had the means to have become a woman, she'd more than likely have taken the plunge and done so.

 

I wouldn't so hastily to assume that generally drag queens and cross dressing men do not actually want to become women and even many transgender do not wish for a complete change to the opposite sex. The drag thing could be simply part of the job and that is actually a thing in the sex industry. 

 

I think most people who were offended were offended because the character was there for laughs. Even if she is not truly transgender it's still making fun of a man who looks and dresses like a woman. 

[Samahl]

I think most people who were offended were offended because the character was there for laughs. Even if she is not truly transgender it's still making fun of a man who looks and dresses like a woman. 

 

This, basically.

[Sifr]

I wouldn't so hastily to assume that generally drag queens and cross dressing men do not actually want to become women and even many transgender do not wish for a complete change to the opposite sex. The drag thing could be simply part of the job and that is actually a thing in the sex industry. 

 

I think most people who were offended were offended because the character was there for laughs. Even if she is not truly transgender it's still making fun of a man who looks and dresses like a woman. 

 

I didn't mean to imply that was the case of transgender or cross-dressers necessarily always wanting to change sex, just how I read Gaider's comments regarding her character as implying that if she were in our world, that's probably what she would have chosen? I might be completely off-base about what he actually meant there?

 

But while I disagree that she's there to be a subject of mockery, I can see why people might think that, and do agree that we need more representation of transgendered characters elsewhere in Thedas, rather than consigned to just the brothels.

[Xilizhra]

While I agree that the t-word's a slur, how is the depiction of her offensive? While Serendipity might be better classed as a drag queen, as Gaider notes, if she'd had the means to have become a woman, she'd more than likely have taken the plunge and done so.

 

He's right in saying that some people might have been put off or offended because we have admittedly seen quite a few transgendered individuals (and a few transvetites as well) acting as sex workers, I'd counter that the fact that Bran is willing to take her as his date to a party with nobility (Orlesian nobility, granted, but still) suggests that people are suprisingly open in Thedas about such things. No-one's making fun of her, nor do many people seem to raise eyebrows about people who choose to live an alternative lifestyle?

 

It is a fine line to walk when including such characters, I'll admit, but I think Serendipity and Mae are depicted well, overall.

To be frank, I think that's because of her status as a prostitute. I doubt things would go over so well if they were married, for instance. Note that Merrill moving into Hawke's house, and not as a servant, caused a fair few nobles to flip out.

[mikeymoonshine]

I didn't mean to imply that was the case of transgender or cross-dressers necessarily always wanting to change sex, just how I read Gaider's comments regarding her character as implying that if she were in our world, that's probably what she would have chosen? I might be completely off-base about what he actually meant there?

 

But while I disagree that she's there to be a subject of mockery, I can see why people might think that, and do agree that we need more representation of transgendered characters elsewhere in Thedas, rather than consigned to just the brothels.

 

Ah ok, well shr was certainly a somewhat comical character and I am pretty sure that was intentional, the overly deep voice makes it sort of obvious. It didn't bother me all that much personally but I can see why it would bother others and I think it is always better to point out these issue's. 

[Just My Moniker]

First of all, the t-word is a slur, and secondly, Serendipity is a drag queen, not a trans woman. She is not meant to represent trans people in any way, and her depiction is offensive regardless.

Im sorry if I offended 

 

I try to be very respectful but I appear to have failed at that.

(I should have taken my own advice and let someone else answer it)

I truly meant no offense 

[Samahl]

Im sorry if I offended 

 

I try to be very respectful but I appear to have failed at that.

(I should have taken my own advice and let someone else answer it)

I truly meant no offense 

 

I'm sure you didn't. It seems like you just had a little reading comprehension fail. I mainly take issue with the OP, at this point.

[Exaltation]

I hope Serendipity will appear in DAI,she should look better in Frostbite 3 Orlesian fashion
I also want to see Maevaris Tilani,maybe there's a chance that Dorian knows her.

[Jigglypuff]

No offense meant by the tittle, trying to change it to is Serendipity a girl or a boy.

[SofaJockey]

First of all, the t-word is a slur, and secondly, Serendipity is a drag queen, not a trans woman. She is not meant to represent trans people in any way, and her depiction is offensive regardless.

 

The things you learn on the BioWare forum.

 

I had not classified that word as a slur but just slang. Useful to know.

Also I think BioWare have a good record with LGBT representation so I'm very happy to cut them some slack with how they tell their stories.

[fhs33721]

To be frank, I think that's because of her status as a prostitute. I doubt things would go over so well if they were married, for instance. Note that Merrill moving into Hawke's house, and not as a servant, caused a fair few nobles to flip out.

But these problems arise because of the racism against elves. Even a female Hawke only gets complaints because of Merrill being an elf and not because she lives together with another woman.  As far as I remember I have never seen anyone in the games, books or other media making homophobic or transphobic comments. Thedas seems to be miles ahead of the real world in this regard.

[JadePrince]

Seems like a good time to close this thread. Mods?