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[dlux]

Quotes, please. You're putting words in my mouth, hilariously wrong words.

 

No, ME3 was not "almost as good" as ME2. ME3 was a good game. ME2 was an excellent game.

 

Many fans, in the wake of Bioware's latest game, have their nostalgia glasses on. Regardless of how you try to put words in my mouth, that is the reality.

First you write that ME3 is "very good", but now ME3 is only "good". Make up your mind, bro.

 

So, fans whine about every new game and fans whine because they have their nostalgia glasses on... Got it. What about fans whining because they think ME3 is a bad game?

[Pateu]

Originally I wanted the ending to be different because it was abrupt, nonsensical and brutally disregarded three games of stories, but now I'm mostly just annoyed that in being so ambiguous it gave rise to so many ridiculous interpretations.

 

And if the IT didn't have a throng of ingame features that support it, I'd agree with you.

[Catastrophy]

1. Don't take advice from fanboys.

 

2. Do your thing.

 

3. Be creative

 

4. ???

 

5. Profit

[Sir DeLoria]

Wait, IT is still a thing? Oh man, some people are taking this way too seriously.

[KaiserShep]

 
Whoa whoa whoa, wait. What's this about the Collector General and Arrival?

 

If you do Arrival before the Suicide Mission, the hologram you see on the asteroid before Shepard evacuates through the Alpha Relay is the form of the Collector General, rather than Harbinger. The only other characters that ever really get a brief look at this thing is during EDI's data mining of the Collector ship.

[ElitePinecone]

And if the IT didn't have a throng of ingame features that support it, I'd agree with you.

 

How long will you wait for confirmation that isn't coming? The best you're going to get is "every fan interpretation is valid", which is a ridiculous cop out anyway on the part of Bioware. They *should* just come out and say that your interpretation is wrong, but someone decided two years ago that saying literally anything about the ending was going to annoy some segment of the fanbase, and so it was better to be all warm and fuzzy and accept that even the most stupid theory ~~might be true if that's what you want as a fan~~.

 

(Because yes, it *is* a conspiracy theory to think that they've just stayed silent about a hidden meaning in the ending for two freaking years. Fans went and assumed things about the endings that were never meant to be interpreted that way. It is dramatically more likely that those things were due to incompetence, rather than being subtle. ME3 showed that they really, really do not understand or account for how fans are going to react to something.)

 

They had an ending planned, and that was the one we got - taken at face value. There was no indoctrination involved. There is no grand plan to add DLC or a new game that explains how Shepard was indoctrinated.

 

Most likely, they'll never mention it again.

[Pateu]

accept that even the most stupid theory

 

Why do you call it stupid? Have you not watched any video about it? They're filled with a ton of ''coincidences'' that make no sense if the IT, is indeed wrong.

 

It's one thing to call it unrealistic and cite that the writers are too dumb to think about such an ending and something entirely different to call the theory itself stupid.

 

The theory itself- excluding the outside world where you know that there was an EC and that they probably didn't think of the IT as an ending- is fine and is supported by a lot of things.

[ElitePinecone]

I'm just confused by why people continue to promote IT when it's reasonably obvious that it was never what BW intended for the game. 

 

I mean, fair enough if you want to think of it as headcanon or something (like the MEHEM people), but your first post in this thread suggests canonising IT as an option for Bioware going forward. 

 

Wanting them to make fanfiction an actual part of the universe is a really slippery slope to start going down. It's bad enough (as I keep saying) that they didn't come out and disprove it years ago - designing the plot of ME Next to accommodate a fan theory would be way worse.  

[Pateu]

designing the plot of ME Next to accommodate a fan theory would be way worse.  

 

Why? The IT is an ending vastly superior to any of theirs.

 

The fact that you see any and all fanfiction as bad writing baffles me, as if fans are somehow mentally impaired.

[JasonShepard]

Why? The IT is an ending vastly superior to any of theirs.

 

In your opinion.

 

In mine, and many other peoples' opinion, it's actually worse. I personally find it to be completely inconsistent with how indoctrination has been shown to work in the past.

 

Since we don't have hard numbers to hand, we can't actually say what percentage of the fandom prefers it. And in any case, "how much of the fandom likes it" is not how games are made, nor should it be.

[Iakus]

I'm just confused by why people continue to promote IT when it's reasonably obvious that it was never what BW intended for the game. 

 

I mean, fair enough if you want to think of it as headcanon or something (like the MEHEM people), but your first post in this thread suggests canonising IT as an option for Bioware going forward. 

 

Wanting them to make fanfiction an actual part of the universe is a really slippery slope to start going down. It's bad enough (as I keep saying) that they didn't come out and disprove it years ago - designing the plot of ME Next to accommodate a fan theory would be way worse.  

Given IT is the way some can deal with the endings, outright disproving it would have caused even more outcry than there already was.

[Mcfly616]

Given IT is the way some can deal with the endings, outright disproving it would have caused even more outcry than there already was.

 most likely the sole reason the breathe scene wasn't extended

[Glockwheeler]

Okay, if IT did occur, and the whole mess following the blast from Harbinger was just a delusional episode in Shepard's head, would that not imply that none of the four choices presented to Shepard ever occurred? If so, the Reapers continued their pillaging through to completion, No?

[JonathonPR]

The devs said at one point that they had planned on an indoctrination plot and were a good way into the game visuals when they had to scrap it. They were low on time so the clues were left in whether they are the truth or just unintended leftovers is for Bioware to know. Personally I would accept IT simply because the ending and motivation revealed for the Reapers has downgraded them from major villains to natural disasters. The old motivation for the Necron is more interesting and I have more respect for Failbaddon the Armless. The game of ME3 was written to give an ending similar to IT but due to time constraints and last minute rewrite gave the players an ending that did not organically flow out of the game of the previous ones. 

 

If the endings have to be taken at face value then ME4 would have to be in a different galaxy for me to enjoy the narrative. The game is going to have to step on someones toes. If it does not remove the effect of starbrat from future stories i am going to have to transfer the last bit of my enthusiasm from the Mass Effect universe into Warhammer 40,000 , Star Wars, Star Trek, Stargate, and Babylon 5. I just enjoy imagining the 40k Void Dragon waking up on Mars and virtually chocking starJoffrey when he starts his temper tantrum when he is shot. Hail the Omnissiah. 

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[Pateu]

Okay, if IT did occur, and the whole mess following the blast from Harbinger was just a delusional episode in Shepard's head, would that not imply that none of the four choices presented to Shepard ever occurred? If so, the Reapers continued their pillaging through to completion, No?

 

Assuming Shepard picks a High EMS destroy ( because in the other ones he dies/gets indoctrinated/his brain implodes ) he walks into the beam, finds the console and fires the Crucible.

 

The reapers die and the AIs survive.

 

I can't see how that's worse than any of the endings and the starkid.

 

Hell, delete the starkid and have TIM replace him ( even though I dislike Harbinger just flying off ). You shoot TIM/convince him he is indoctrinated and when he's about to blow up himself/when he is bleeding out he tells you how to open the Citadel.

 

Then you do just that and the same thing as before: Beam kills reapers. 

[Han Shot First]

I can understand why  the IT crowd would like to see a rewrite of ME3's endings, even though I'm not a fan of their proposed rewrite. But after 2 years it is well past time to accept that, love them or hate them, Mass Effect 3's endings are what they are. The Extended Cut, and to a lesser extent the Leviathan and Citadel DLCs, were Bioware's final answer to the ending controversy. 

[MrMrPendragon]

But what if some people actually liked the endings, wouldn't IT be disregarding them? -- if IT even happens (I HIGHLY doubt it will)

 

I mean IT is basically just one ending, as opposed to 4.

[ElitePinecone]

The devs said at one point that they had planned on an indoctrination plot and were a good way into the game visuals when they had to scrap it. They were low on time so the clues were left in whether they are the truth or just unintended leftovers is for Bioware to know. 

 

No. They never, ever said this. There are no "clues" left in the game beyond what people have imagined to be there.

 

The indoctrination content was in the fight with the Illusive Man, when he still had a boss fight, and it was a gameplay mechanic, not a story one. TIM would've taken control of Shepard temporarily through the Commander's implants. Losing control of their character would've temporarily disrupted the player while they were trying to defeat TIM in battle.

 

Ultimately it was scrapped because they couldn't get the UI and screen effects of indoctrination to work.

[dreamgazer]

 most likely the sole reason the breathe scene wasn't extended

 

Highly doubtful. More likely, they didn't extend the breath scene because they didn't want to offer something to the Destroy crowd that the Control and Synthesis crowd wouldn't be able to get, thus skewing the balance even further. 

[noobcannon]

There's lots of other things wrong with IT.

Btw, even pre-EC, Hacket tells you you've won. But I suppose that's another really kind thing the Reapers do.

And then there's the dev notes about trying to incorporate indoctrination, but not knowing how so they dropped the idea altogether.

IT is just a coping mechanism to deal with something you don't like.

 

 

hey man, how about those nice new red, blue, and green bioware teasers?

[Malanek]

Why? The IT is an ending vastly superior to any of theirs.

 

IT didn't have an ending. I liked the theory. It would have been really clever, but it still needed an ending. The whole point of it (or at least the original elegant part) was that it was a massive misdirection on Biowares part and there would be some secret dlc that would be the real ending. This never happened, thus proving the theory false.

[Fufunette]

IT would be awesome if it was his last fight against Harbi. After that, he could just end the war by putting the Crucible button and make all the galaxy explode in a sweet magical beam. D:

[Glockwheeler]

Assuming Shepard picks a High EMS destroy ( because in the other ones he dies/gets indoctrinated/his brain implodes ) he walks into the beam, finds the console and fires the Crucible.

 

The reapers die and the AIs survive.

 

I can't see how that's worse than any of the endings and the starkid.

 

Hell, delete the starkid and have TIM replace him ( even though I dislike Harbinger just flying off ). You shoot TIM/convince him he is indoctrinated and when he's about to blow up himself/when he is bleeding out he tells you how to open the Citadel.

 

Then you do just that and the same thing as before: Beam kills reapers. 

 

 

 

 

 

I do not buy into the IT theory, but from what I have read and watched on Youtube, it is intriguing. Do IT theorists believe it occurred at the moment Shepard was zapped by Harbinger on earth prior to his ascension to the CItadel or during his final confrontation with TIM? I ask, because if IT were to have happened following Shepard getting zapped by Harbinger's beam on earth, I assume that nothing from that point forward, including the final choices presented to Shepard would have actually been real, but in his head. If that were the case, it would seem that the Reapers would have continued the cleansing of all advanced species. Am I missing something here? 

[Mcfly616]

Highly doubtful. More likely, they didn't extend the breath scene because they didn't want to offer something to the Destroy crowd that the Control and Synthesis crowd wouldn't be able to get, thus skewing the balance even further. 

 not really. There is that poll made several weeks before EC released  by either Gamble or Priestly literally on the RetakeME site that asked "do you believe in IT, yes or no?". Considering the overwhelming amount that voted yes (presumably because they thought it would give them an entirely new ending)....it wouldn't seem so unlikely when almost everything else about the last 10 minutes was elaborated on in the EC besides that single scene.

 

 

By not showing Shepard stand up out of the rubble on the Citadel and look over the wreckage and Earths horizon, they allow people to hold on to their fairy tale. And avoid another backlash (albeit a much smaller one)