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[Giantdeathrobot]

I never tried to convince you of anything, except that games don't need a voiced protagonist in order to sell.

Other assertions you make are just based on your beliefs. Nothing else. But that's fair enough. There's nothing there for me to argue against.

 

And I don't think anyone said that games need a voiced protagonist either? Just that it's a popular option that lots of people like. If you don't, that's fair, but saying people haven't got a clue is not. And I'm afraid Bioware is not going to abandon the idea either, albeit I guess they could surprise me.

[NessCraig]

Re: Strong Alex

 

Agreed. You have two choices... maybe the other Voice actor took a different approach.

 

and I loved her plug for bioware at the end. It is why I am back into gaming frankly.

[Joseph Warrick]

If Jennifer Hale did the voice of a trans male, I'm positive people will say bioware is transphobic.

[JadePrince]

If Jennifer Hale did the voice of a trans male, I'm positive people will say bioware is transphobic.

 

I mean, sure it'd be ideal to give a trans actor such a role (considering how much more difficult it is to succeed in the acting business when you're trans), but I'll be honest, I just want a trans character in Dragon Age, so if we got that? I'd be happy with whoever was voicing them.

[Who Knows]

If Jennifer Hale did the voice of a trans male, I'm positive people will say bioware is transphobic.

By trans male you mean what? Usually it's transwoman or transman.

[Karach_Blade]

If Jennifer Hale is voicing a transman I will melt. As a gay transman myself, any good representation of trans people and trans diversity is a plus!

[addiction21]

As far as I know and just doing some searching around Jennifer Hale is not trans anything.  Now given I just recently (in the past couple days) looked at her IMDB http://www.imdb.com/name/nm0354937/ I have little doubt she could fill whatever role.

[Chiramu]

I definitely like her voice.  Just not for my female Qunari.  Need that deeper silkier smoothness of Sumalee for that.  Alix is good for elves and humans.

 

Her voice is definitely too soft for a great amazon-type warrior. 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Origins was (apparently) Bioware's best selling game, yes. You'd need to jump through a lot of hoops to convince me it was solely, or even mainly, because it had a silent protagonist, however. Or that the entire thing about protagonists being voiced or not has any significant impact on sales, rather the the game being good and well made overall.

 

I mean, Skyrim had a silent protagonist. But it didn't sell like hotcakes because it had it, that's for certain.

If Skyrim's protagonist had been voiced, there is zero chance I would have bought the game, let alone played it for hundreds of hours.

 

So far, the silent protagonist appears to be vital to my enjoyment of a game.  Of BioWare's voiced games, the only one I actually liked was Mass Effect, but I liked that due to the clever aim-while-paused mechanic, and driving the Mako.  I dreaded the conversations in that game.

[Samahl]

If Jennifer Hale did the voice of a trans male, I'm positive people will say bioware is transphobic.

 

It'd be problematic, yes, because a) Jennifer Hale is a woman, implying that the trans man in question is really a woman, and b) it'd be depriving a trans actor of a role. There are probably trans VAs out there looking for work that would do just fine.

[Estel78]

I much prefer a voiced protagonist. It makes your character actively participate in dialogs and cutscenes instead of sticking out like a sore thumb. I'm not as anal about wanting to create MY(!) specific, unique character (if you really want that, there may be better avenues than videogames), i'm fine with the choices the devs give me most of the time.

[Shadow Fox]

Then don't play the game?

Fixed.

[tipper111]

I don't get not having a voice in these games since what they say doesn't change the dialog you would have to read on the screen anyway .

the only part of DAO I hated was my character was a mute , he just stood around like a deer in headlights the whole time which is fine to a point but when u have cutscenes and that involves ur character they need to have a voice . eg... winne fainting and learning about the spirit in her . I wanted to yell at my character to speak .
dragons dogma also a game where the character needed a voice

I think when it's a 3rd person game they need a voice . 1st person perspective then the dialog on screen works fine .

[TurretSyndrome]

Always felt that voiced protagonist limits roleplaying a **** ton more than silent protagonist does. It costs a **** ton of money too(especially when you have to say all the lines 4 freaking times). Too bad it's what's hip these days.

[Lilium]

I personally prefer a voiced option, because I think it's harder to role-play as a silent protagonist seeing how they stick out as a sore thumb by just standing there. 

And when I read the dialog inside my head it's with my own voice, meaning my big*ss warrior dude gets a little girly voice... 

[kingjezza]

I like to think my characters are such bad asses they don't need to even bother with verbal communication, it's below them.

[Who Knows]

I'm fine with unvoiced protagonists for games like Baldur's Gate, etc but Dragon Age Origins was just awkward.

[Joseph Warrick]

By trans male you mean what? Usually it's transwoman or transman.

 

I'll agree that feels-based language makes communication very difficult. I have no doubt you know what I mean however.

[Tootles FTW]

'' You hold me prisoner, accuse me of murder and now you want my help!? You are insane. I am not going anywhere with you! ''

 

Direct/Brutal answer to Cassandra I guess.

 

Sounds more like a combination of the Sarcastic and Direct responses.

 

Cassandra (presumably): We need your help.

 

Sarcastic: You hold me prisoner, accuse me of murder and now you want my help?

 

Direct: You are insane. I'm not going anywhere with you.

[Bayonet Hipshot]

Alix is a talented voice actress, of that there is little doubt. The video is nice as well. I am also curious to see this transgender they are talking about. I liked Mae in the comics and this seems to be a different person. 

 

However, if people ask me to choose between a voiced protagonist or a non-voiced protagonist, I will pick a non-voiced one any day, regardless of the quality of the voice acting. 

 

Fact is, non-voiced protagonists cut the costs down, allow the protagonist to have more dialogue options and adds greatly to roleplaying. 

 

Having the voice is nice but personally, it is unnecessary to make a good RPG game. 

 

Non-voiced protagonists is the reason why I still like and still play games like DA:O and TES to this day. 

[Elhanan]

... Fact is, non-voiced protagonists cut the costs down, allow the protagonist to have more dialogue options and adds greatly to roleplaying....

Not facts; supposition, I believe. Simply because the game does not have full VO does not mean costs are down across the board, as there could be many things that could increase costs be it in sound, writing, FX, QA, etc. And simply because a game does not have full VO does not equate to increased choice in dialogue (eg; Skyrim). And the lack of full VO can also be distracting when everyone else has a voice; a major reason why I now favor full VO games.

[Caldain]

Alix is a talented voice actress, of that there is little doubt. The video is nice as well. I am also curious to see this transgender they are talking about. I liked Mae in the comics and this seems to be a different person. 

 

However, if people ask me to choose between a voiced protagonist or a non-voiced protagonist, I will pick a non-voiced one any day, regardless of the quality of the voice acting. 

 

Fact is, non-voiced protagonists cut the costs down, allow the protagonist to have more dialogue options and adds greatly to roleplaying. 

 

Having the voice is nice but personally, it is unnecessary to make a good RPG game. 

 

Non-voiced protagonists is the reason why I still like and still play games like DA:O and TES to this day. 

 

I'm on the side of the voice protagonist myself.  Bioware games have spoiled me in that regard.  I played SW:TOR for two years and then went to try out Wildstar and I just found the lack of voiced characters to be jarring.  Maybe I'm lazy but I didn't bother reading any of the quests I grabbed, I just accepted and moved on.  At least with TOR, I found myself interested and engaged with the quests.

 

It's particularly jarring in Origins, something dramatic happens and your character just sorta pantomimes a gasp or outrage.  It was just pretty ridiculous.  I want to hear my character say something versus acting like a mime on a saturday in the park.

 

Obviously, the roleplaying is a factor because sometimes the dialogue doesn't offer choices that you would necessarily choose and you're forced into it.  I get it but therein lies the joy of head canon

 

Voice acting is one of the things that separates Bioware from its competitors and I'm personally thrilled at the level at which they cast people.  I get an interactive story with people like Kate Mulgrew to play with, that's absolutely fantastic in my opinion.  It's not just Troy Baker and Nolan North doing all the voices like it seems in some games!  Honestly, I kind of hope that more developers will start taking this approach with their games by providing a well cast and well directed group of voices.

[BananaBoy]

She has a lovely voice! Alas, I cannot choose which voice to choose for my female Inquisitor until I hear Sumalee's voice acting for the Inquisitor.

[Maria Caliban]

I like voiced protagonists. I like silent protatonists.

I did not like Jade Empire and Dragon Age: Origins where my character participated in long conversations with the camera pointed at her neutral-expression face as she communicated solely by nodding her head. It's not the silence, it's the silence in a cinematic presentation where everyone else chats and has facial expressions.
 

I'll agree that feels-based language makes communication very difficult. I have no doubt you know what I mean however.

Don't get grumpy because people don't understand the term you just invented.

We're not asking for feels-based language; we're asking you use recognizable English words like transmen and transwomen or at least explain yourself. 'Trans male' could any number of things.