I think her voice sounds good, really tough. I'd just like the other voice actor to maybe take a little more girly feminine approach on the Inquisitor's voice, I'd prefer a voice like that for most of my characters I think.
But even if not I will simply get the German Version of the game and play with the German VO if there's a voice in there that fits my character better. That makes 4 Options for me. 
Thanks for that bit of info, JadePrince; good to know!
And aaarcher86, I considered that as well, but she actually said that the game "has got transgendered characters" in it. Hopefully we can have a relatively major character in the game who's transgendered this time. If they do it respectfully and write the character well, it'll be awesome.
I think the English accent VA is for human and elven while the N. American accent VA is for dwarves and qunari, as the N. American one is a touch deeper.
That might be what they were aiming for, yeah, and I think those are the defaults.
But as far as I know you can use any voice with any race.
And I don't think anyone said that games need a voiced protagonist either? Just that it's a popular option that lots of people like. If you don't, that's fair, but saying people haven't got a clue is not. And I'm afraid Bioware is not going to abandon the idea either, albeit I guess they could surprise me.
This is how it is:
CronoDragoon reacted to my post regarding the video. That reaction was making two unsolicited arguments.
The first paragraph made an argument for voiced protagonist.
Now that happens to be a very old discussion. The various arguments for voiced protagonist are utterly irrelevant for me and others who want silent protagonist. They always were. They only work for people who experience the games in a different way.
I never said CronoDragoon was clueless in a general manner. On the contrary, I was particular to be clear that the argument was clueless from my perspective. And it is.
The second paragraph made the argument that there is an audience for voiced protagonist. That's fine. But why post that as a reaction to my post? I could tell you why. But sooner or later we'd be in a discussion that the moderators won't like. So just use your wits.
There's not much else I can do as a response, than state the also obvious fact that silent protagonist sure as H* also has an audience.
Something that apparently immediately triggered other follow-up reactions from the group of people who like voiced protagonist and like DA2. Again I could tell you why. Again I will ask you to use your wits instead.
That might be what they were aiming for, yeah, and I think those are the defaults.
But as far as I know you can use any voice with any race.
Those are the defaults yes, but you can use either of the two voices if you so desire.
That didn't make me happy at all.
She starts out well, recognising that she's acting on behalf of the player, but then decides that all players want the same thing for all possible PCs, and decides to speak every line in a strong and commanding way?
What if my Inquisitor isn't strong and commanding and confident? What if my Inquisitor feels completely out of her depth?
Once again, voicing the protagonist appears to have been a terrible idea.
You've already said on a great number of occasions that you don't like voiced protagonists so I'm sure BioWare would have to add many more VA options and a tone slider to make you happy.
I prefer voiced protagonists particularly when every other character is voiced.
In Skyrim, I'm a Dragonborn with a voice that will shatter bones yet can I ask someone a question? Nope! Everyone else around me is yammering on about their day, that arrow they took in the knee that one time or that their swore to carry my burdens and I the mighty Dragonborn stand there mute.
It’s even more annoying when it comes time for the RPG epic speech, you've done all the work, you've gathered the resources to save the world and some jumped up King/Queen/Jarl/Whoever gets to make a speech to the troops taking credit for your work when they've done basically nothing to help.
At least Commander Shepard gets to make her own speech.
I'm not saying voiced characters are perfect, obviously if the VA is not good it can go terribly wrong, but over all I prefer to play a voiced character so for me this has not been a terrible idea.
There will always be these types of limitations with non-tabletop RPGS, because you have to give up some control to the game designers. If the Inquisitor wasn't voiced you may still have not gotten your Inquisitor who feels out of their depth because no dialogue options were written for that.
In a game where all the other characters are voiced, given the choice of being a mute with few more dialogue options and a fully voiced character with some personality, I'll choose the voiced character.
I found her voice very annoying in ME3, so I'm glad we have another option. It makes sense that the dwarf-voice would be the American one.
Yes you can. You can ask a great many questions of a great many people. But the actual asking just isn't presented on screen.In Skyrim, I'm a Dragonborn with a voice that will shatter bones yet can I ask someone a question? Nope!
He obviously isn't mute, because the other characters respond to the dialogue you select for him.Everyone else around me is yammering on about their day, that arrow they took in the knee that one time or that their swore to carry my burdens and I the mighty Dragonborn stand there mute.
This one doesn't bother me, because I don’t typically care who gives the speech. Speeches are given for the benefit of the audience, not the speaker, and I'm indifferent to the audience.It’s even more annoying when it comes time for the RPG epic speech, you've done all the work, you've gathered the resources to save the world and some jumped up King/Queen/Jarl/Whoever gets to make a speech to the troops taking credit for your work when they've done basically nothing to help.
Somehow, we used to give up less.There will always be these types of limitations with non-tabletop RPGS, because you have to give up some control to the game designers.
The great thing about the silent protagonist and full-text dialogue options is that the writers don't need to foresee your character design. With no voice, I can choose to have the line delivered differently, thus expressing the uncertainty I desire. And with full-text, I'm never going to have my character say something I didn't explicitly choose for her to say.If the Inquisitor wasn't voiced you may still have not gotten your Inquisitor who feels out of their depth because no dialogue options were written for that.
There is no such necessity. At all.I'm kind of confused on the necessity of having a trans character voiced by a trans person. I mean, is it that big of a deal?
Genuine question here, not trying to be inflammatory.
Edit: because voice actors of all kinds play all kinds of characters already, so just curious about the link there.
I'm kind of confused on the necessity of having a trans character voiced by a trans person. I mean, is it that big of a deal?
Genuine question here, not trying to be inflammatory.
Edit: because voice actors of all kinds play all kinds of characters already, so just curious about the link there.
Yes, because a) when cis people cast other cis people for trans roles, they usually choose actors of the gender the trans character in question was assigned at birth, implying that trans characters aren't actually the gender they identify as, and b) it's cis people profiting off of trans characters, not trans people.
I was willing to listen to a great number of reasons, but I kind of reject yours. Because if the actors are the gender the trans character "started off as", then it implies nothing other than "this is what their voice sounds like". And reason B makes no sense to me, because money? Really? That's 50% of the reasons that trans actors must play trans characters, because they deserve the funds for....reasons?Yes, because a) when cis people cast other cis people for trans roles, they usually choose actors of the gender the trans character in question was assigned at birth, implying that trans characters aren't actually the gender they identify as, and
I was willing to listen to a great number of reasons, but I kind of reject yours. Because if the actors are the gender the trans character "started off as", then it implies nothing other than "this is what their voice sounds like". And reason B makes no sense to me, because money? Really? That's 50% of the reasons that trans actors must play trans characters, because they deserve the funds for....reasons?
Another good reason is that being trans means you have to fight extra extra hard to make it in the entertainment industry. Trans people already have more obstacles to proving they can play non-trans roles, so when the few trans roles that exist go to cis people, it's not as simple as saying "well those trans actors can just play those cis roles over there instead". You're basically taking away the small handful of roles that trans people should, in theory, be best qualified to play.
Nope, not trans. Just didn't find those to b compelling reasons. Because only one was a reason, the other was.....I'm not sure what. Half a statement?Unless you're transgender yourself, I'm going to have to kind of reject your post. Sorry.
I was willing to listen to a great number of reasons, but I kind of reject yours. Because if the actors are the gender the trans character "started off as", then it implies nothing other than "this is what their voice sounds like".
If you wouldn't cast a man for a cis woman's part, why would you cast one for a trans woman's part? There are plenty of trans women whose voices don't sound "masculine", especially if they've gone through HRT.
And reason B makes no sense to me, because money? Really? That's 50% of the reasons that trans actors must play trans characters, because they deserve the funds for....reasons?
Trans people face loads of workplace discrimination, and are twice as likely to be unemployed. They don't have access to the same resources or support systems as cis people.
Please read this.
That's a damn good reason (IMO) and makes sense. My only response is that, since it's a trans role, and because the industry commentators are so ready to strike at any sign of discrimination (real or not) would not trans actors be given a vast preference compared to any non-trans actor? (Also, given bioware's usual stance in such matters, wouldn't a trans actor be assumed ?)Another good reason is that being trans means you have to fight extra extra hard to make it in the entertainment industry. Trans people already have more obstacles to proving they can play non-trans roles, so when the few trans roles that exist go to cis people, it's not as simple as saying "well those trans actors can just play those cis roles over there instead". You're basically taking away the small handful of roles that trans people should, in theory, be best qualified to play.
If you wouldn't cast a man for a cis woman's part, why would you cast one for a trans woman's part? There are plenty of trans women whose voices don't sound "masculine", especially if they've gone through HRT.
Trans people face loads of workplace discrimination, and are twice as likely to be unemployed. They don't have access to the same resources or support systems as cis people.
Please read this.
ALSO, if you cast a trans person to play a trans role, or do a trans voice, then they can help make sure the dialogue they are acting makes sense, is accurate and unoffensive. Which is another plus for both the trans audience and the company itself because it means they're much less likely to accidentally get something wrong and garner bad press around it. It's really in a company's best interest to cast a trans person in a trans role for this reason too.
That's a damn good reason (IMO) and makes sense. My only response is that, since it's a trans role, and because the industry commentators are so ready to strike at any sign of discrimination (real or not) would not trans actors be given a vast preference compared to any non-trans actor? (Also, given bioware's usual stance in such matters, wouldn't a trans actor be assumed ?)
You'd think so, wouldn't you?? But in reality, this rarely happens. I think right now, Laverne Cox from Orange is the New Black is the only trans person playing a trans role in entertainment media. At least she's the only visible one I know of. The vast majority of the time, casting directors cast cis men (sometimes cis women) to play trans women. And trans men? I don't even know the last time a trans man was in a TV show or video game, but I'd guess that they would tend to hire a cis woman to play him if there was.
EDIT: I'd like to think that Bioware would do better on this issue (since they're doing better at LGB representation than any other big game studio out there), but it's possible that they don't even realize this could be a problem.
Also, I'll be honest here. I'd rather see a trans person get the role (if there is one), but because trans representation is SO RARE, I'm gonna be so stoked to see a trans character, that I won't really mind whoever voices them (and then I'll do my best to communicate to Bioware that casting a trans actor next time would be cool of them).
This is all hypothetical anyway. We don't know if there's a trans character and we don't know, if there is, that they haven't hired a trans person to VA.
If you wouldn't cast a man for a cis woman's part, why would you cast one for a trans woman's part? There are plenty of trans women whose voices don't sound "masculine", especially if they've gone through HRT.
Trans people face loads of workplace discrimination, and are twice as likely to be unemployed. They don't have access to the same resources or support systems as cis people.
Please read this.
Oh yeah, HRT. Which would totally be availible in Thedas since it's such an advanced society in regards to medicine. Oh wait...
While I agree that trans people should absolutely be treated exactly the same as cis people, I really don't get this whole "only trans people should be allowed to play trans characters". It's called acting. It's about stepping into the role of someone else. The actual gender/race/whatever of the actor shouldn't matter at all in voice acting, only their portrayal of the character.
Oh yeah, HRT. Which would totally be availible in Thedas since it's such an advanced society in regards to medicine.
Yep.
While I agree that trans people should absolutely be treated exactly the same as cis people, I really don't get this whole "only trans people should be allowed to play trans characters".
You haven't actually addressed any of the other arguments in this thread, so it seems you're just being willfully ignorant about why it's important for trans actors to play trans characters.
Oh yeah, HRT. Which would totally be availible in Thedas since it's such an advanced society in regards to medicine. Oh wait...
While I agree that trans people should absolutely be treated exactly the same as cis people, I really don't get this whole "only trans people should be allowed to play trans characters". It's called acting. It's about stepping into the role of someone else. The actual gender/race/whatever of the actor shouldn't matter at all in voice acting, only their portrayal of the character.
Here you go! I'm helpfully copy-pasting my answers to the question that was already asked which might clear some things up for you:
"Another good reason is that being trans means you have to fight extra extra hard to make it in the entertainment industry. Trans people already have more obstacles to proving they can play non-trans roles, so when the few trans roles that exist go to cis people, it's not as simple as saying "well those trans actors can just play those cis roles over there instead". You're basically taking away the small handful of roles that trans people should, in theory, be best qualified to play."
"ALSO, if you cast a trans person to play a trans role, or do a trans voice, then they can help make sure the dialogue they are acting makes sense, is accurate and unoffensive. Which is another plus for both the trans audience and the company itself because it means they're much less likely to accidentally get something wrong and garner bad press around it. It's really in a company's best interest to cast a trans person in a trans role for this reason too."
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I had no idea that people were discovering ways of changing their hormone levels so long ago and without modern technology/medicine at all. How cool. 