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[SurelyForth]

He dumps you in some cases if you make him king, it was never really his ideal to become king anyway. He kind of has to, because a non-human can't rule alongside him and he doesn't want to treat you like a mistress because he finds it unfair to both you and whoever he may potentially have to marry (Anora included), but he can be talked into it if your persuasion is high enough. 

 

You don't need to persuade him, but you do have to be careful about the convo choices you make. It's been forever since I've done it that way, though.

 

And him dumping the Warden is shitty, especially because it's not something that needs to happen directly after the Landsmeet (nor does the Warden's agency need to be stripped away entirely). It would have been way less painful (and many of the horrible implications re: fertility and the Dark Ritual avoided) if it would have been discussed at camp and framed as "since I'm going to be king, once this Blight is over, we won't be able to be together anymore" and the Warden can choose to end it then or wait until after the Archdemon is slain. That would maintain the bittersweet nature of the break-up without making it an unexpected punch to the stomach, which it is in the game. 

[javeart]

You don't need to persuade him, but you do have to be careful about the convo choices you make. It's been forever since I've done it that way, though.

 

And him dumping the Warden is shitty, especially because it's not something that needs to happen directly after the Landsmeet (nor does the Warden's agency need to be stripped away entirely). It would have been way less painful (and many of the horrible implications re: fertility and the Dark Ritual avoided) if it would have been discussed at camp and framed as "since I'm going to be king, once this Blight is over, we won't be able to be together anymore" and the Warden can choose to end it then or wait until after the Archdemon is slain. That would maintain the bittersweet nature of the break-up without making it an unexpected punch to the stomach, which it is in the game. 

 

I'd rather have just a dialogue before the landsmeet where he could warn you, like "are you sure you want me to be king, we couldn't be together if I was". Then, it's up to the player to chose how do you want the story to go... Well, to be honest, I don't see the need either for Alistair to be hardened to accept having a "mistress"   if for no other reason, and unhardened Alistar should be easier to manipulate into accepting it 

[Ryzaki]

He dumps you in some cases if you make him king, it was never really his ideal to become king anyway. He kind of has to, because a non-human can't rule alongside him and he doesn't want to treat you like a mistress because he finds it unfair to both you and whoever he may potentially have to marry (Anora included), but he can be talked into it if your persuasion is high enough. 

 

If you have Alistair kill Loghain and he's hardened he pretty much auto takes the throne. So...yeah the warden doesn't have to make him king. So yeah the dumping in that scenario is pretty WTF dude. (as is his biting the hostile Warden's head off with a I DIDN'T WANT BE KING.

 

So why'd take the throne dude?

[CronoDragoon]

I will say: let us straight males have some sadness and heartbreak, please. Straight females got all the fun in ME3.

[TheJediSaint]

I will say: let us straight males have some sadness and heartbreak, please. Straight females got all the fun in ME3.

There was Morrigan.  They even put out a DLC just to give the straight guys more sads.

[Sylvianus]

Some people claim that this dlc with Morrigan was an happy ending. I don't see it that way personally. I don't know where my warden is, what he is doing, if it is sane, and not knowing anything is hardly an ending I'd consider happy. 

 

I finally decided that my warden would care more about his kingdom and would come back to Denerim at the side of Anora, leaving Morrigan. I like this ending, because it's tragic. His true love will always be Morrigan, but he gave up with her, with all the dark implications. 

 

The fact that my warden has disappeared a few years after this decision taken is just a pain in the ass. 

[Zjarcal]

The fact that my warden has disappeared a few years after this decision taken is just a pain in the ass. 

 

DAI will reveal Morrigan pulled your warden into the mirror world while he was sleeping, making you question why you didn't just walk into the damn mirror in the first place.

[Chernaya]

You don't need to persuade him, but you do have to be careful about the convo choices you make. It's been forever since I've done it that way, though.

 

And him dumping the Warden is shitty, especially because it's not something that needs to happen directly after the Landsmeet (nor does the Warden's agency need to be stripped away entirely). It would have been way less painful (and many of the horrible implications re: fertility and the Dark Ritual avoided) if it would have been discussed at camp and framed as "since I'm going to be king, once this Blight is over, we won't be able to be together anymore" and the Warden can choose to end it then or wait until after the Archdemon is slain. That would maintain the bittersweet nature of the break-up without making it an unexpected punch to the stomach, which it is in the game. 

 

Thanks for the correction, it's been a long time since I've had to put up with that uncomfortable scene. xD I agree it's shitty, I was just trying to add that there are reasons, albeit uncool ones. :/ My Dalish (and also my very first DA:O character ever) who adored him was pretty heartbroken... but it was very surprising that even though they had broken up he ended up still insisting to sacrifice himself in her place. 

[Chernaya]

There was Morrigan.  They even put out a DLC just to give the straight guys more sads.

 

But you got to walk into the eluvian with her happily ever after, not sad enough.

[TheJediSaint]

But you got to walk into the eluvian with her happily ever after, not sad enough.

She makes it pretty clear that she's not going to a nice place.  I'll never see Witch Hunt as anything other than bitter sweet.

[atheelogos]

If you haven't noticed, Bioware likes writing romances that don't end very well in the books. Do you expect to see something similar in DA:I? Will there be a romance that ends in betrayal or even death?

some have sad endings yes, but I feel it's realistic. Most of their protagonist are in the middle of wars. Not really the time for settling down if you think about it. Well that and people tend to die in wars so it's more realistic if the romance option has a chance of dying thus leading to the sad endings you spoke of earlier. That goes for the protagonist too.

[Chron0id]

some have sad endings yes, but I feel it's realistic. Most of their protagonist and in the middle of wars. Not really the time for settling down if you think about it. Well that and people tend to die in wars so it's more realistic if the romance option has a chance of dying thus leading to the sad endings you spoke of earlier. That goes for the protagonist too.

Those are books.  This is video games we're talking about.   And at the end of the day, when I beat the final boss, I want to feel REWARDED.  What I don't want to feel is a 100 ton punch to the gut as this happens-

 

YOU AND EVERY ONE YOU LOVE DIES.  THE END.

[CronoDragoon]

Those are books.  This is video games we're talking about.   And at the end of the day, when I beat the final boss, I want to feel REWARDED.  What I don't want to feel is a 100 ton punch to the gut as this happens-

 

YOU AND EVERY ONE YOU LOVE DIES.  THE END.

 

Heh. I was going to ask what game you are talking about exactly since no BioWare game even comes close to this.

 

Then I remembered this happens in Final Fantasy Tactics, which also happens to be my favorite video game ending.

[Chron0id]

Heh. I was going to ask what game you are talking about exactly since no BioWare game even comes close to this.

 

Then I remembered this happens in Final Fantasy Tactics, which also happens to be my favorite video game ending.

Mass Effect 3 says hello!

[CronoDragoon]

Mass Effect 3 says hello!

 

Neither I nor any of my loved ones died.

 

Well, maybe Mordin but I doubt that's what we're talking about here.

[Chron0id]

Neither I nor any of my loved ones died.

 

Well, maybe Mordin but I doubt that's what we're talking about here.

Oh?  So which ending did you get in which Shepard didn't die?  This should be good. 

[Ryzaki]

Oh?  So which ending did you get in which Shepard didn't die?  This should be good. 

 

Good destroy.

 

Though living much longer is questionable considering he's god knows where alone and heavily wounded.

[CronoDragoon]

Oh?  So which ending did you get in which Shepard didn't die?  This should be good. 

 

No, I'm not going to play this game where fans upset with Mass Effect 3's ending invent new ways to feel terrible about it (as if it wasn't bitter enough).

[Chron0id]

Good destroy.

 

Though living much longer is questionable considering he's god knows where alone and heavily wounded.

Schrodinger's Cat is all I have to say to that. 

 

High Asset Destroy ending was hardly what I call Shepard "surviving."  Offered no closure, no satisfaction, had no confirmation of whether he was truly alive, and was basically there to troll anyone who had any attachment to Shepard.  He's dead in all endings as far as I'm concerned.

[Chron0id]

No, I'm not going to play this game where fans upset with Mass Effect 3's ending invent new ways to feel terrible about it (as if it wasn't bitter enough).

You're implying I need to invent NEW ways to be upset with ME 3's ending.  Way to skilfully dodge my question though.

[Urazz]

Some people claim that this dlc with Morrigan was an happy ending. I don't see it that way personally. I don't know where my warden is, what he is doing, if it is sane, and not knowing anything is hardly an ending I'd consider happy. 

 

I finally decided that my warden would care more about his kingdom and would come back to Denerim at the side of Anora, leaving Morrigan. I like this ending, because it's tragic. His true love will always be Morrigan, but he gave up with her, with all the dark implications. 

 

The fact that my warden has disappeared a few years after this decision taken is just a pain in the ass. 

I wouldn't say that it was a happy ending but more along the lines of a story continuing because Morrigan is up to something big it looks like.  The only happy part was that the Warden could go and be with her through this and support her.

 

Oh?  So which ending did you get in which Shepard didn't die?  This should be good. 

Destroy ending with a high EMS if I recall or whatever the fleet/army readiness bar was called.  Shepard can survive if you get enough forces gathered for the final battle.  You might be willing to think Shepard is dead in all endings but i would feel the need to point out what is the point of having this scene if he didn't survive?

[Chron0id]

I wouldn't say that it was a happy ending but more along the lines of a story continuing because Morrigan is up to something big it looks like.  The only happy part was that the Warden could go and be with her through this and support her.

 

Destroy ending with a high EMS if I recall or whatever the fleet/army readiness bar was called.  Shepard can survive if you get enough forces gathered for the final battle.  You might be willing to think Shepard is dead in all endings but i would feel the need to point out what is the point of having this scene if he didn't survive?

What is the point you ask?  I already answered that.  To throw happy ending lovers like me a few bits of scrap.  Let me put it in a metaphor. 

 

BioWare just got finished eating an entire chicken.  Once they were finished, they saw that some were not happy with them eating all the food.  So they threw some chicken ribs on the ground and said they would have to make do with that. Jessica Merizan put it so bluntly in a tweet. 

 

"Shepard waking up is not saved for a future game either.  This is the end of Shepard.  What you saw is all you'll get on the matter"

 

Gee, thanks Jessica.  That is just....swell. 

[CronoDragoon]

You're implying I need to invent NEW ways to be upset with ME 3's ending.  Way to skilfully dodge my question though.

 

Yes, people have been doing it since Mass Effect 3 came out. Not to suggest I like the ending or anything, but it was the case that you could say anything negative about the ending and gain support because people wanted to feel unified in their hate of something, no matter the truth of the situation. This spawned such idiocies as the "yo dawg" meme and other misrepresentations.

 

I didn't answer your question because we both know you already know it. You don't consider High-EMS Destroy as Shepard living, and I do. This isn't the place for that discussion.

[Chron0id]

Yes, people have been doing it since Mass Effect 3 came out. Not to suggest I like the ending or anything, but it was the case that you could say anything negative about the ending and gain support because people wanted to feel unified in their hate of something, no matter the truth of the situation. This spawned such idiocies as the "yo dawg" meme and other misrepresentations.

 

I didn't answer your question because we both know you already know it. You don't consider High-EMS Destroy as Shepard living, and I do. This isn't the place for that discussion.

Hmm. Fair enough. 

[Ryzaki]

Schrodinger's Cat is all I have to say to that. 

 

High Asset Destroy ending was hardly what I call Shepard "surviving."  Offered no closure, no satisfaction, had no confirmation of whether he was truly alive, and was basically there to troll anyone who had any attachment to Shepard.  He's dead in all endings as far as I'm concerned.

 

XD

 

True. Fair enough. I always thought that was stupid anyway.