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[katamuro]

I just dont get it, Why would you want such a playthrough? How can you enjoy getting all of them killed?

[themikefest]

 For me it was one where I left only Miranda and Thane alive from ME2. I did not help Miranda save her sister (not that this mattered). I let the timer run out on Thane's mission, so Kolyat killed Talid, but I managed to get to that final room on the catwalks and sock that one guy in the gut right at the buzzer.

 

 

... then both of them got killed by Kai Leng in ME3.

That's for Thane and Miranda you SOB!

 

I just dont get it, Why would you want such a playthrough? How can you enjoy getting all of them killed?

For me it adds replay value

[Vazgen]

I just dont get it, Why would you want such a playthrough? How can you enjoy getting all of them killed?

Some interactions in ME3 are better with replacements IMO. For example, I think that renegade options with Geth VI are more fun than with Legion.

"And that makes me less likely to shoot you... how?"

[Daemul]

I just dont get it, Why would you want such a playthrough? How can you enjoy getting all of them killed?

 

More realistic and therefore more fun.

[KotorEffect3]

I am too much of a perfectionist for my own good sometimes.  I know if I let some people die it can make things a bit more interesting later on but I just can't do it.  I rarely do a playthrough where I kill Wrex on Virmire and I never deliberately screw up the SM.  With my current Shepard I plan on selling Legion to Cerberus when I get to that point but that is a long long way off since I am not even done with ME 1 yet.  I only had one other playthrough where I sold Legion to Cerberus and Tali ended up dying in the SM but that was years ago.  So who knows maybe without Legion recruited that will increase the chances of someone randomly dying on the SM.

[parico]

I just dont get it, Why would you want such a playthrough? How can you enjoy getting all of them killed?

 

Well I kind of hate me 2.  Yet I want my choices from 1 to carry over to 3 so I skip most of the loyalty missions and watch the collectors kill everyone saving me 10 hours of boredom doing loyalty quests for characters that really don't have much impact in me3 anyway.  Thee only loyalty mission worth doing is mordins the rest are worthless.      
 

[warblewobble]

For a while I seriously considered letting Jack die simply because I loathed her character in ME2. It's tragic that she was so abused as a child but there are other people who endure a terrible childhood and don't become total sociopaths. I felt like she was written in a way where I was supposed to completely excuse her behavior because of that backstory- felt like a cheap attempt to elicit sympathy for the character. Fortunately, she gets much better in ME3.

 

Can we count letting the clock run down during Arrival for this? If so then technically I let EVERYONE die.

[von uber]

Burying Wrex on virmire and scrapping Legion are probably the best decisions I've made in me3.
The other characters are much of a muchness when it comes to it (from a plot point of view).

[SwobyJ]

Everyone dead + Full Renegade + Maybe full EMS

 

Means a story of a Shepard who is a 'survivor', barely. Sometimes that extra tragedy is an interesting thing.

[TheMyron]

A ME3 playthrough is lonely even with everybody alive, because they who I wanted returned to the Normandy, don't.

 

Jack must babysit her new "family, and Grunt is somehow unable to regenerate his health and thus my Medbay isn't enough for him and he needs a full-scale hospital.

 

Kelly can't be convinced that the Citadel isn't safe, and that is only one of several big reasons why she should return. And where the hell is Rupert Gardner?! Without him, who will cook, clean the restrooms, and crack kitchen jokes?

[Massa FX]

@themikefest - I have tried and tried to do playthru's like yours, but I can never followthru. 

 

I have a penchant for being a goody 2 shoes Shepard. Even my most ruthless playthru's have most everyone alive. 

[themikefest]

@themikefest - I have tried and tried to do playthru's like yours, but I can never followthru. 

 

I have a penchant for being a goody 2 shoes Shepard. Even my most ruthless playthru's have most everyone alive. 

I've only done that playthrough only 3 times. I doubt I will do anything like that again. It takes too long and some of the deaths require a specific way for that death to happen. 

 

I've done a playthrough as a paragon and had more deaths than playing as a renegade. I even did a playthrough as a paragon and got the memorial wall completely filled

[KenLyns]

I just dont get it, Why would you want such a playthrough? How can you enjoy getting all of them killed?

 

Game of Thrones had 61 named-character deaths by the last count. Mass Effect still has ways to go.  

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Now here's some great options you can do:

 

* save Wrex and Eve and sabotage the genophage

* kill Wrex and cure the genophage

* Side with the Quarians and choose synthesis

* Side with the Geth and choose destroy

[prosthetic soul]

Game of Thrones had 61 named-character deaths by the last count. Mass Effect still has ways to go.  

Casey Hudson, I know it's you.  Stop dithering about and go back to working on that holo technology. 

[Goodmongo]

ME1 

 

when helping detective Chellick, kill Jax and his 2 thugs. This will have Jenna show up in ME3 to save Conrad if he is alive

 

talk with Conrad so he shows up in ME2

 

ME2

talk with Conrad or tell him to get lost and he will die

 

ME3

Conrad Verner dies because Jenna isn't there to help if her mission wasn't done in ME1

 

 

Is what you posted for ME1 in conflict with killing Conrad in ME3?  And if you let Conrad die in ME2 then why save Jenna in ME1?  Just need some clarification.

[themikefest]

Is what you posted for ME1 in conflict with killing Conrad in ME3?

no
 

And if you let Conrad die in ME2 then why save Jenna in ME1?

to add to the kill count

[Goodmongo]

no
 

to add to the kill count

But doesn't Jenna therefore live then?

 

 

As for other thoughts I was wondering what the "best death" would be for each character.  For example is it better to have Wrex killed in ME1 by Ashley or to shoot Wrex on the Citadel in ME3.

 

Most characters can be killed off in ME2.  But is this the best option?  I would like to hear some opinion on the following characters especially.

 

Wrex - ME1 or ME3?  If killed in ME1 that means you get Wreve in ME3 which might be the better option.

Mordin - ME2 or ME3?  Seems killing him in ME2 allows for the stand-in which many seem to like.

Samara - ME2 or ME3?  If she dies in ME2 can you still kill her daughter in ME3?

Miranda - ME2 or ME3?  Can you kill her sister and dad in ME3 if she survives ME2?

Grunt - Seems ME2 is a better option then skipping the mission in ME3 which allows you to kill the fake queen also.

 

And to be a total jerk what love interest combination seems best to mess over people with?

[themikefest]

But doesn't Jenna therefore live then?

Yes.
 

As for other thoughts I was wondering what the "best death" would be for each character.  For example is it better to have Wrex killed in ME1 by Ashley or to shoot Wrex on the Citadel in ME3.

I like both. If I'm doing a low ems playthrough, I kill Wrex in ME3 and if I'm not, I either don't recruit him in ME1 or have Ashley shoot him or I shoot him on Virmire
 

Most characters can be killed off in ME2.

I had Shepard, 2 squadmates and Joker being the only one's on the Normandy after the suicide mission.
 

Wrex - ME1 or ME3?  If killed in ME1 that means you get Wreve in ME3 which might be the better option.

see above for Wrex. Wreav isn't a bad character
 

Mordin - ME2 or ME3?  Seems killing him in ME2 allows for the stand-in which many seem to like.

Padok Wiks is a good character. I've had him live a couple of time's in ME3 and I have shot him in the back as well
 

Samara - ME2 or ME3?  If she dies in ME2 can you still kill her daughter in ME3?

Yes. The option to kill her is there if the player chooses
 

Miranda - ME2 or ME3?  Can you kill her sister and dad in ME3 if she survives ME2?

Oriana will always live if Miranda is in ME3

 

Miranda can die a few ways in ME3 even if she's loyal
she will die if you break off the relationship when first talking to her on the Citadel
she will die if not loyal
she will die if Shepard doesn't tell her about Leng or give her access to Alliance resources
she will die if Shepard chooses the right dialogue and avoids the interrupt. What this does is Miranda will die within a few seconds without telling Shepard she put a tracer on Leng
If MIranda isn't in ME3, Oriana can live. Oriana and her father can die or just her father. You can even choose to have Oriana and her father live
 

Grunt - Seems ME2 is a better option then skipping the mission in ME3 which allows you to kill the fake queen also.

I've  done an ME3 playthrough with Grunt not loyal once and he died. If the player chooses not to complete the rachni mission, Grunts name will appear on the memorial wall after Chronos is completed
 

And to be a total jerk what love interest combination seems best to mess over people with?

That's up to you

[Goodmongo]

I'm thinking a wacked out FemShep can do the following LI's.

 

ME1 - Liara

ME2- Garrus or Thane then back to Liara for Shadowbroker.  Garrus or Thane can easily die in ME2.

ME3 - James or Samantha if no DLC.  James and Liara can die in ME3.  And a low enough EMS means even Samantha dies.

 

Or for ME3 keep Garrus alive in ME2 and romance him in ME3 then have him die in ME3.  But doing this I think means someone lives out of Liara, Garrus and James.

 

A male Shepard is slightly more limited but can do these.

 

ME1 - Liara

ME2 - Miranda or Tali then back to Liara in Shadow Broker.  Miranda dies in ME2 (can she if loyal?) and Tali in ME3.

ME3 - Back to Liara who dies in ME3.  (No to Steve because Homey don't play that way and if Steve is your LI then he survives).

 

This sort of maxes out the number of LI's while having all LI's still die off.

 

I've also read that you can have two simultaneous relationships in ME2 if you picked Liara in ME1 went with someone else in ME2 then back to her in Shadow Broker.  And even if you do Shadow Broker before the SM it doesn't impact the LI for ME2 suicide mission scene.

[Goodmongo]

So this thread got me thinking.  I've never really played a set where I got all or even most members killed off.  I've been renegade but still had them survive.  I'm now starting a new trilogy with the following type of Shepard.

 

One part Chris Farley type where even when you try to do good you mess it up and the end result is a disaster.

One part from Dumb and Dumber movies where you are just incompetent and the mission fails.

One part Joe Pesci from Goodfellas.  Killing because you get enjoyment from it.  And treating the weak to amuse you.

And one part Vin Diesel from Riddick movies.  You hate authority and not afraid to pull the trigger yourself.

 

Mix in a dash of Captain Kirk from Star Trek for romancing everyone and it should be a fun ride.  In the end I hope to kill off everyone who ever steps foot on the Normandy or comes into contact with Shepard.

[hemorrhoid]

I just finished a trilogy run to see about killing more than what I did in the playthrough that I posted on the 1st page. I was able to.
 

Xenia Shepard - Earthborn/ruthless/engineer

 

ME1
 

let Toombs kill the scientist and he will kill himself

when helping Dr. Michel with her problem, kill the blackmailer

when helping detective Chellick, kill Jax and his 2 thugs. This will have Jenna show up in ME3 to save Conrad if he is alive

kill Helena Blake

kill father Kyle and his followers

kill Darius during the UNC Negotiation mission
before killing Fist, kill the 2 workers

talk with Conrad so he shows up in ME2

when scanning the keepers kill Chorban, Here's how
on Feros kill all the colonists and Shiala
kill Jeong

kill Dr. Ross and the 3 mercs during the exogeni facility mission
Noveria--have Anoleis and Gianna Parasini kill each other. Here's the video to do this. Kill the Rachni Queen

When going to Lorik Qui'in's office, kill the two guards instead of letting them leave

kill Inamorda and the 2 krogan thugs during the Noveria smuggling mission

let the leader kill chairman burns and kill the leader and thugs
On Virmire, kill Rana Thanopolis and let Kirrahe and Kaidan die. Keep Wrex and Ashley alive. Also kill  the salarian prisoners
kill Charn and then Kill Balak in Bring Down the Sky dlc causing the hostages to die
let the council die

ME2

On Omega make the Batarian drink his poison. Let the Patriarch die fighting the killers. When going to recruit archangel, let the kid join the mercs only to watch him be killed by Garrus a few minutes later.

On Mordin's recruitment misson, kill the 3 district guards, don't give medigel to the Batarian and when you encounter Mordin's assistant, kill the Batarians who will kill the assistant

N7 mission Javelin Missle Launcher. Choose to save the spaceport and let the people die

talk with Conrad or tell him to get lost and he will die
let Jack kill Aresh on her loyalty mission
kill the 2 krogan bodyguards and let Garrus kill Sidonis on his loyalty mission
let the girl get killed and have Jacob's father die at the hands of his crew

on Tali's recruitment mission, take your time destroying the Colossus, Kal'Reeger will die

kill the sick Krogan in Mordin's loyalty mission
let Mordin kill Maelon and save the data
On Samara's recruitment mission kill Elnora

let Niftu Cal, biotic god, die
On Thane's recruitment mission, don't give medigel to the salarian, push the merc out the window and on his loyalty missionkill Joram Talid
Jack, Kasumi and Thane killed because of no upgrades

Garrus dies being sent in the vent

Jacob was carried off by the swarmers

Sent no escort for the crew. They will die
Grunt killed as 2nd fire team leader

Miranda and Tali killed fighting the terminator

Mordin killed holding the line

After the suicide mission, kill Zaeed during his loyalty mission
Samara and Legion live to be in ME3

Do the Arrival dlc to kill 300,000 Batarians

ME3

don't bring Allers on the ship, she will die onboard the SSV Shasta

have General Oraka killed
save Jondam Bau, the salarian spectre, letting the Hanar lose their homeworld
don't talk to the female student on Grissom. She will die from her wounds

Ensign Prangley is killed because Jack died during the suicide mission

Conrad Verner dies because Jenna isn't there to help if her mission wasn't done in ME1
Sabotage the genophage by shooting Paddok Wiks in the back. Don't do Turian Bomb causing Eve to die with other Krogan. Later on kill Wrex on the Citadel.
overload the reactor killing thousands on Omega. Kill Oleg Petrovsky

the Salarian Councillor dies because Kirrahe and Thane are dead

let Captain Aaron Summers kill the prisoner
pick the geth. The Quarians will die. Legion dies uploading the code.
let Anne Bryson die
shoot Brooks in Citadel dlc

during the N7 fuel reactor mission, do not send help to Capatain Riley. She will die
let Samara kill herself and then kill Falere
let Oriana(Miranda's sister) and father die. Here's how to.
don't talk to Ashley when she's in the hospital, then shoot her and she will say "she hopes you go to he**". Here's the video. If you want to make it more interesting kill her while wearing Cerberus armor.
after saving the Volus Ambassador take the Volus fleet and ignore the Turian colony
don't talk to Steve, he will die in London
don't do the From Ashes dlc
let TIM kill Anderson
pick destroy causing edi to fry along with the Geth

At the memorial scene I had Samantha, Joker, Liara and James in attendance. I had over 3100 ems, so femshep isn't dead. On the wall I had both columns filled with names(48) and Anderson in the middle(49) and Kasuni and Zaeed were dead and their names weren't on the wall giving me 51 dead

I did a new game plus with the same charcter, but I went for low ems. James and T'soni were killed on the beam run(ems 1750-1900) and femshep dead when picking destroy. The memoral scene only had Samantha and Joker present. On the wall I had 50 names(including femshep) and 4 names not on the wall giving me 54 dead

If your ems is below 1750 the doors to the Normandy don't open.

 

I estimate that 17 315 105 died  plus  all the random mercs that were killed throughout the trilogy

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[hemorrhoid]

Well I kind of hate me 2.  Yet I want my choices from 1 to carry over to 3 so I skip most of the loyalty missions and watch the collectors kill everyone saving me 10 hours of boredom doing loyalty quests for characters that really don't have much impact in me3 anyway.  Thee only loyalty mission worth doing is mordins the rest are worthless.      
 

How is Mordin's more valuable? You just get another Dr. to fill in with the same results only slightly less epic.

 

And what makes ME2 suck for you?

[themikefest]

...

 What does that mean?
 

How is Mordin's more valuable? You just get another Dr. to fill in with the same results only slightly less epic.

Depending on what happens in a playthrough, Mordin can live and work on the crucilbe project giving the player 25 war assets whereas Padok Wiks doesn't
 

[vellveteen]

I never intend any characters to die on purpose but my during my first play through I made mistakes...

ME1 - Ashley and Captain Kirahe 

 

ME2 -

Legion (forgot to upgrade Normandy sheilds, destroyed from Normandy explosion during suicide mission) 

Tali (shot in the head in suicide mission because of losing Miranda's loyalty

 

Results were a disaster in ME3 when siding with geth/quarians. Legion kept saying "we are not legion":( and quarian replacing Tali shot herself in the head.

 

ME3 -

Miranda (killed by kai leng)

by the time I was ready for the final mission I knew everyone was going to die to I restarted a better playthrough much later.