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[Lulupab]

So how smart are they? Martin have said that the dragons in game of thrones are somewhat animals, although very smart they act on instinct and generally have behaviors like smart animals in our world.

 

In the other hand the dragons of Skyrim are somewhat people, they can speak, think, argue etc... so they are as much as person as the next man. They just have scales and breathe fire 

 

So this got me thinking, what about DA dragons? Are we killing an animal or a creature that have self-awareness such as werewolves in DAO.

[Xilizhra]

I think they're about dolphin-level in terms of intelligence, at least the high dragons.

Also, not all werewolves have self-awareness, only those serving the Lady of the Forest.

[Akkos]

In DAO and DA2 - they were more like mythological hidden creatures. Anything that is a threat to their food and theirselves are the enemy.

 

Like you said, they act on self defense. It also depends on the game's or lore stories from books. They are not smart, they are just quicker to act.

 

I feel also since it's a game, they are going to be hostile at first sight. I even wonder how we can find 7 drakes/dragonlings in the circle of magi's fourth floor in DAO.

[Char]

They're smart enough to be dangerous- if they can make deals with cultists to have cultists care for their young in exchange for dragon blood then they need to have at least the rudiments of higher thought processes. They're big, they're predators and they are going to attempt to kill you- so either way their purpose is to eventually end up dead

[Xilizhra]

They're smart enough to be dangerous- if they can make deals with cultists to have cultists care for their young in exchange for dragon blood then they need to have at least the rudiments of higher thought processes. They're big, they're predators and they are going to attempt to kill you- so either way their purpose is to eventually end up dead

Well, I don't plan on killing any, if possible. In fact, it's possible that my Hawke will be the only one to have killed a high dragon, as another symptom of screwing up.

[Akkos]

They're smart enough to be dangerous- if they can make deals with cultists to have cultists care for their young in exchange for dragon blood then they need to have at least the rudiments of higher thought processes. They're big, they're predators and they are going to attempt to kill you- so either way their purpose is to eventually end up dead

Lol Wtf that Andraste's High dragon didn't make deal with the cultist. He didn't even care they were there. He just didn't see them as a threat.

[Char]

Lol Wtf that Andraste's High dragon didn't make deal with the cultist. He didn't even care they were there. He just didn't see them as a threat.

 

High dragons are all female. Food for thought:

 

http://dragonage.wik...y:_Dragon_Cults

[Char]

Well, I don't plan on killing any, if possible. In fact, it's possible that my Hawke will be the only one to have killed a high dragon, as another symptom of screwing up.

 

I don't tend to go through with the intention of killing anyone/anything, but I get the impression that the dragons will make it difficult to visit/explore certain areas and therefore I suspect I will eventually need to kill them in order to see as much of the game as I hope to.

[Akkos]

High dragons are all female. Food for thought:

 

http://dragonage.wik...y:_Dragon_Cults

 

LOL forget Wikia and Codex I remember in the game, when we reach haven and we see human visitors, especially the redcliffe knight  that check Haven for signs of the urn of sacred ashes were killed and sacrificed to the high dragon. So they probably stole her eggs, nature it's young dragons and killed it to drink their bloods.

 

Also when Kolgrim tries to calm the high dragon with a human part.......  That high dragon didn't act like she was part of the cultist... dude.

[Char]

LOL forget Wikia and Codex I remember in the game, when we reach haven and we see human visitors, especially the redcliffe knight  that check Haven for signs of the urn of sacred ashes were killed and sacrificed to the high dragon. So they probably stole her eggs, nature it's young dragons and killed it to drink their bloods.

 

Also when Kolgrim tries to calm the high dragon with a human part.......  That high dragon didn't act like she was part of the cultist... dude.

 

I don't identify as a 'dude'

 

Sure, we should all just forget the information provided in the Codex to give us a greater insight into the game because you don't agree with it. 

 

You're entitled to your opinion however, and I have mine. My opinion is that the high dragons display a certain amount of intelligence and cunning of a level greater than the amount I would have expected from a wild creature, and that the codex for the dragon cults supports this theory to an extent. 

[Akkos]

I don't identify as a 'dude'

 

Sure, we should all just forget the information provided in the Codex to give us a greater insight into the game because you don't agree with it. 

 

You're entitled to your opinion however, and I have mine. My opinion is that the high dragons display a certain amount of intelligence and cunning of a level greater than the amount I would have expected from a wild creature, and that the codex for the dragon cults supports this theory to an extent. 

 

Good job so far there. Well done.

[OriginOfWaves]

well if you're actually fighting Flemeth in disguise then yep your'e fighting a self aware dragon 

[Akkos]

You just lost all credibility.

 

I don't like the opinions of people who only read Wikia and Wikipedia. Anybody can write in Wikia.... So I'ven't lost any credibility. I was right. But the post wasn't about high dragon.

[Dean_the_Young]

You just lost all credibility.

I dunno. I never found the wiki particularly useful, except as a resource for the codex. Whenever it starts trying to summarize or present a narrative, which isn't often enough to be particularly useful, bias and mis-information seep in to cast doubts on the reliability. The fall of the dales wiki entry (probably still) claimed that there was evidence that the Chantry was responsible for spreading dark rumors about the Dales, even going so far as to cite... the Chantry-written codex about how dark rumors circulated, but which never claimed or even suggested the Chantry was responsible for them.

 

Things like that, where your entire perception of a conflict would be scewed by reading someone else's headcanon presented as fact, is why I'm less than impressed by the wiki. (Not to mention that one DA poster, long ago, once made an argument on the basis of a wiki article he had personally edited.)

 

Codes are useful, even dialogue citations, but only when they're removed from someone else's fact-adding interpretation. Someone else once tried to argue that Alistair was a raging pro-mage monarch who was itching for a chance to confront the Chantry and agreed with Anders based on... not disagreeing vehemently with Anders in the DA2 cameo. I entered that conversation thinking I was about to see some new dialogue I had never heard before, and instead-

 

Well, grains of salt.

[Maria Caliban]

I think they're about dolphin-level in terms of intelligence, at least the high dragons.
Also, not all werewolves have self-awareness, only those serving the Lady of the Forest.

 
This is correct.
 

They're smart enough to be dangerous- if they can make deals with cultists to have cultists care for their young in exchange for dragon blood then they need to have at least the rudiments of higher thought processes. They're big, they're predators and they are going to attempt to kill you- so either way their purpose is to eventually end up dead

A high dragon doesn't 'make deals' with dragon cultists any more than a hippopotamus makes deals with Oxpecker birds.

You just lost all credibility.

He lost all credibility in regards to lore when he called the High Dragon Andreste a 'he.'

[SardaukarElite]

Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dragons because he had achieved so much - the wheel, Denerim, wars and so on - whilst all dragons had ever done was fly around setting fire to things. But conversely, the dragons had always believed they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons.

 

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I think they're about dolphin-level in terms of intelligence, at least the high dragons.

 

 

Indeed. Though the thought of something as smart as a dolphin with hands and the ability to breath fire is pretty scary.

[Dean_the_Young]

As for how smart dragons are...

 

Smart enough to sometimes be worth possessing by demons.

 

Or that's my guess. I still have a hunch that the Old Gods were spirit-possessed dragons of exceptional power and potency, possessed by particularly powerful spirits with hierarchies beneath them under the unique circumstances of the pre-Veil setting.

 

It's not like spirits can't possess just about anything, and we know both that spirits are interested in various forms of power, not just pure magic, while dragons (and their blood) is related to magic in some way. So I'd guess that Dragons would gradually grow from 'beneath notice' to 'potentially noticable and worth trying' be certain spirits. It would just be extremely rare, and the spirits that would be interested in trying have either already been spoken for (the remaining old gods) or banished and uninterested in tryin again. Plus, dat veil.

[Akkos]

Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dragons because he had achieved so much - the wheel, Denerim, wars and so on - whilst all dragons had ever done was fly around setting fire to things. But conversely, the dragons had always believed they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons.

 

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Indeed. Though the thought of something as smart as a dolphin with hands and the ability to breath fire is pretty scary.

 

OK... I just took my time to laugh when i read this.  Anyway. Not bad though.  One thing are the "dragons" that intelligent for "self - awarenes" in this game. which is what this post is about.

[Char]

 
 
A high dragon doesn't 'make deals' with dragon cultists any more than a hippopotamus makes deals with Oxpecker birds.

 

 

I can certainly see it in terms of that kind of symbiotic relationship and it would definitely make sense , I just took the codex entry on dragon cults to be a hint that there might be more to the dragons in terms of intelligence than immediately meets the eye. I'm really quite interested to be seeing more of them in Inquisition and learning a little more about them.

[Char]

Man had always assumed that he was more intelligent than dragons because he had achieved so much - the wheel, Denerim, wars and so on - whilst all dragons had ever done was fly around setting fire to things. But conversely, the dragons had always believed they were far more intelligent than man - for precisely the same reasons.

 

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Indeed. Though the thought of something as smart as a dolphin with hands and the ability to breath fire is pretty scary.

 

The last studies I remember reading on dolphins had them pegged around the intelligence of the average six year-old. I'll have to find that study and re-read it, it's been a while. There are also a group of researchers who have taught dolphins a new whistle to indicate the presence of sargassum, and by monitoring when they hear that whistle, they know when the dolphins are talking about it

 

The idea of a fire-breathing six-year old is scary enough

[Maria Caliban]

As for how smart dragons are...

Smart enough to sometimes be worth possessing by demons.

We know that demons will possess corpses and cats, so that doesn't tell us much.
 

Or that's my guess. I still have a hunch that the Old Gods were spirit-possessed dragons of exceptional power and potency, possessed by particularly powerful spirits with hierarchies beneath them under the unique circumstances of the pre-Veil setting.

That would be interesting.

[Xilizhra]

As for how smart dragons are...

 

Smart enough to sometimes be worth possessing by demons.

 

Or that's my guess. I still have a hunch that the Old Gods were spirit-possessed dragons of exceptional power and potency, possessed by particularly powerful spirits with hierarchies beneath them under the unique circumstances of the pre-Veil setting.

 

It's not like spirits can't possess just about anything, and we know both that spirits are interested in various forms of power, not just pure magic, while dragons (and their blood) is related to magic in some way. So I'd guess that Dragons would gradually grow from 'beneath notice' to 'potentially noticable and worth trying' be certain spirits. It would just be extremely rare, and the spirits that would be interested in trying have either already been spoken for (the remaining old gods) or banished and uninterested in tryin again. Plus, dat veil.

Aren't the Old Gods male? All high dragons are female.