I don't disagree with you, but it does amuse me that so many people don't want to kill dragons if they happen to be intelligent virtual people-killing creatures, but are generally not bothered by cutting down swathes of virtual humans. It's not a dig, nor an insult, its just an observation that humans are strange creatures indeed
Well, dragons are endangered. Also, if fighting them is optional...
Drandraste*Lol Wtf that Andraste's High dragon didn't make deal with the cultist. He didn't even care they were there. He just didn't see them as a threat.
Well i suppose, but then history seems filled with coincidences that helped one army or another defeat a seemingly unstoppable Horde...Usually when they were trying to invade Asia (Stupid idea getting into a land war in Asia)
almost as bad as going up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
I don't disagree with you, but it does amuse me that so many people don't want to kill dragons if they happen to be intelligent virtual people-killing creatures, but are generally not bothered by cutting down swathes of virtual humans. It's not a dig, nor an insult, its just an observation that humans are strange creatures indeed
Not me, I spare everyone that can be spared unless I really really don't like them and I have met only one, you guessed right, Petrice. Its not like the game gives you options of diplomacy. It gives you HORDES of people attacking you. Oh god in before DA2 nightmare difficulty, WHO THE F were those people that attacked you at night? I felt like I killed 90% of Kirkwall's population.
Not me, I spare everyone that can be spared unless I really really don't like them and I have met only one, you guessed right, Petrice. Its not like the game gives you options of diplomacy. It gives you HORDES of people attacking you. Oh god in before DA2 nightmare difficulty, WHO THE F were those people that attacked you at night? I felt like I killed 90% of Kirkwall's population.
That might not be far from the truth.
Well, dragons are endangered. Also, if fighting them is optional...
almost as bad as going up against a Sicilian when death is on the line
Ah...Love the princess bride.
Not me, I spare everyone that can be spared unless I really really don't like them and I have met only one, you guessed right, Petrice. Its not like the game gives you options of diplomacy. It gives you HORDES of people attacking you. Oh god in before DA2 nightmare difficulty, WHO THE F were those people that attacked you at night? I felt like I killed 90% of Kirkwall's population.
I like to think that the thinning of the veil in Kirkwall gave everyone bad dreams, so the nighttime streets of Kirkwall became filled with hordes of angry insomniacs
Who ate Pigeon pie which was so dry, their entire party choked on it and died.
I like to think that the thinning of the veil in Kirkwall gave everyone bad dreams, so the nighttime streets of Kirkwall became filled with hordes of angry insomniacs
That would explain so much.Head canon accepted! 
I'm of the personal opinion that they are highly intelligent animals and my reasoning is that in one of the videos a Bioware Employee referred to Dragons as Apex Predators, I don't think that is what one would refer to something that isn't considered an animal. I find myself in agreement with Xilizhra who referred them as being close to dolphins in term of intelligence. Maybe some evidence will present itself and change my mind, but that is my current stance on Dragons.
I know it won't happen but I really like to at least tame/befriend not kill etc... a single dragon. They make nice pets
I know it won't happen but I really like to at least tame/befriend not kill etc... a single dragon. They make nice pets
Befriend?
You surely mean enthrall and bend to your will.
._. If you are going the route of making them useful, at least be honest about the methods that will be employed with breaking a wild animal and domesticating it.
Who ate Pigeon pie which was so dry, their entire party choked on it and died.
Befriend?
You surely mean enthrall and bend to your will.
._. If you are going the route of making them useful, at least be honest about the methods that will be employed with breaking a wild animal and domesticating it.
No wedding quite like a GOT wedding
Martin is a hell of a wedding planner 
It depends on your methods really. Reward-based classical conditioning has a good success rate.
True, but my Uncle who lives in Tennessee has a small property where he breaks and re-domesticates Horses during his summer off time as a second job.
And i have to say, His methods can vary from reward based behavior correction to...the other end of the spectrum, so i have witnessed first hand the methods you occasionally need to break the will of a creature that has the notion to be free.
Some of it's brutal, some people would argue it's even abusive, but i'd question them on why they would wish to domesticate an animal if they weren't willing to endure the cost of the process. If you want to turn a wild Stallion into a champion Thoroughbred pedigree then you need to pay the price for it obviously.
No wedding quite like a GOT wedding
True, true. But the pigeon pie is nothing!
But on topic, I view the high dragons as really intelligent beasts. But it would be cool if the old gods were on a Smaug level of intelligence.
Originally, didn't the developers compare dragons to dolphins in intelligence? But more recently I remember there being a tweet or a post or something in an interview (sorry so vague) saying that dragons were as smart as a smart dog. So, basically, border collie level intelligence is what I expect; they've been toned down from their original state
Dolphins are ridiculously smart, although some of their intelligence is alien to us--they are more emotionally smart vs. logically smart and I remember reading somewhere that they may even experience emotions that we humans aren't capable of feeling. So, if dragons are dolphin-smart, then they'd probably have more intelligence than us in some area other than we expect--I doubt social intelligence, but then again they do live in groups of high dragon+drakes+dragonlings.
But dogs... well, dogs aren't stupid. They don't compare to humans like dolphins do, but they can definitely figure things out and sometimes they can even surprise you. And, if dragons are as smart as dogs, well... dogs (and yes, also wolves) can certainly work with people as the cultists did, especially when they receive some reward or benefit from it.
Unless, however, someone intends to tell me that once upon a time long ago, dragons were domesticated and, for instance, used as war-beasts by their owners (which, okay, could almost work considering the dragon cults and the Old Gods etc. but not really, I think), I'd say it's less that they are dog-level intelligence and more that they are wild-canine intelligent. Dogs, African painted dogs, foxes, etc. All of them are pretty intelligent and most of them are social--which makes them a better comparison than most cats.
Instead of dogs, though, I would argue dragons in the DA-verse compare better to hyenas. Hyenas are led by females, who are larger than the males. They actually hunt more than they scavenge, despite their reputation as scavengers--lions scavenge more often than hyenas do. They are social animals, and while I don't know precisely how smart they are, they are considered very intelligent by experts who study them. They can also be trained, apparently with surprising ease considering they're wild animals with no history of domestication. That bit, in particular, lends them to compare well with DA-verse dragons (versus wolves, who can be trained but don't always pick up on things easily/resist training as compared to dogs).
True, true. But the pigeon pie is nothing!
Spoiler(yes, that's a minor book spoiler, read at your own risk).
But on topic, I view the high dragons as really intelligent beasts. But it would be cool if the old gods were on a Smaug level of intelligence.
I'd read all of them before I started watching the TV show, and my partner not only refused to read the books, but he says he'll refuse to watch the show if I let any spoilers out, so I pretty much have to keep my mouth shut about anything GOT related in my house
As far as the OP goes, everything I've read suggest that they are intelligent, but not on the level of sentient beings like humans, dwarves, etc. You aren't going to be able to teach one to understand advanced physics, but it can probably figure out how to use advanced hunting techniques. Basically they are like any other animal, but the fact that dragon cultists can form a symbiotic bond with dragons suggests that they are at least as smart as dogs... they can be domesticated, or at least recognize when a human is trying to serve them. The dragon blood within Reavers might have something to do with that, though... maybe Reavers smell different to dragons so they don't attack them... I dunno. Anyway, that's my take on it.
Considering the number of people we kill in these games, I'm not really worried about whether or not dragons are self-aware. In a video game, anything that attacks me is going to die. I try not to worry too much about why creatures are hostile.
It's always nice to meet someone who's read the books
Same here, I had been recommending the books for years before the show came! Felt like a proper hipster when everyone started to gush about how awesome the series were. My man just finished the books, so I can finally talk openly about them at home. Poor bastard, I almost spoiled the big season 3 event for him because I was so excited about that episode. xD
Here. I first speculated this on the DA wikia when WoT came out and it escalated from that into a full blown theory.
I like it. 'Andraste as Dumat's Old God Baby' has a certain narrative appeal. If Andraste was an Old God Baby who just so happened to fall in love (figuratively and literally) with monotheism, and believed that her influences were actually the affects (or affections) of the Maker... all the better. We know from Gaider's recent interview that hedge wizards manifest their magics in subtle and unique ways: who's to say than an untrained Old God Baby wouldn't do the same?
Plus, the next time someone asks 'what's the worse that the Dark Ritual could do?', I'll go 'well, what do you feel about the Chantry?' 
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I like it. 'Andraste as Dumat's Old God Baby' has a certain narrative appeal. If Andraste was an Old God Baby who just so happened to fall in love (figuratively and literally) with monotheism, and believed that her influences were actually the affects (or affections) of the Maker... all the better. We know from Gaider's recent interview that hedge wizards manifest their magics in subtle and unique ways: who's to say than an untrained Old God Baby wouldn't do the same?
Plus, the next time someone asks 'what's the worse that the Dark Ritual could do?', I'll go 'well, what do you feel about the Chantry?'
Damn. Out of likes. That last bit in particular.
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