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[AlanC9]

I'm considering shooting Ash this time around. But for RP reasons I don't want to pick the options that will prevent getting the Reputation check. How much content do I have to delay or blow off to fail the check?

[Excella Gionne]

I believe it is two reputation bars needed for a check.

 

To kill her, I suggest:

- Be renegade to Ashley on Mars

- Don't visit Thane or have Kirrahe alive

- Don't visit her in the hospital

 

Doing these requirements will ensure her being killed off.

[Mordokai]

You can find the breakdown of it here, further down the page.

[DeinonSlayer]

JayneShep cheated on her in ME2 and blamed it on her conduct on Horizon, expressed suspicion of Udina instead of congratulating her Spectre appointment, broke up with Miranda pursuant to patching things up with Ash, lost the (replacement) Salarian councilor, chose the paragon dialogue with Ashley and missed the interrupt. Didn't use the renegade interrupt to shoot her - Garrus did that instead - and she died cursing Shepard to hell.

I was curious to see the change to the following exchange with Garrus at the memorial wall afterwards, a large motivator behind playing out the aforementioned sequence of events (my last MaleShep, by contrast, romanced and stayed loyal to Ashley). I thought it'd be great drama if Garrus killing Ashley drove a wedge between him and Shepard, but the dialogue wheel's only options were basically "It's my fault, don't blame yourself" and "It was her fault, don't blame yourself." The closest I could come to roleplaying JayneShep as resentful of Garrus was through shunning him from then on, including turning and walking away without congratulating him and Tali. In fairness, by that point, JayneShep had watched Jack, Ashley, and Miranda die, later discovering Kelly's likely fate on the Citadel, and with low-EMS Destroy the only prospective outcome, shot the brat in a moment of rash anger which ultimately doomed every species in this cycle.

[themikefest]

You can be nice to her and see her in the hospital and still shoot her.

 

You can be a jerk to her on Mars , not see her in the hospital and not shoot her, but she will never join you on the Normandy.

 

It all depends on what dialogue options you choose and if you use the interrupt when facing her.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

The best way to get what you want is to be very dismissive and cynical to her on Earth and Mars.

 

Don't recruit Kirrahe to the war effort and don't talk to Thane. You may want to have a playthrough with Kirrahe dead, since sometimes, you still get his asset and he will still arrive on the Citadel to take Leng's sword.

 

And of course, don't visit Ashley at all in the hospital.

 

This gives you the 'I hope the Reapers send you to hell!' line. Plus, if I remember right, you can be a bit more of a jerk on the Normandy post-mission about her. IMO, she got what she deserved, and I don't want the game to make me feel sorry for her (a case where auto-dialogue and lack of choice with dialogue options make you not really blame her and feel bad for killing her).

 

I almost exclusively execute Ashley these days.

[AlanC9]

I believe it is two reputation bars needed for a check.
 
To kill her, I suggest:
- Be renegade to Ashley on Mars
- Don't visit Thane or have Kirrahe alive
- Don't visit her in the hospital
 
Doing these requirements will ensure her being killed off.

It's the Rep bars for me, then. The goal is to shoot her and have it be all her fault, so I'd like to do the hospital visits.

[cap and gown]

It's the Rep bars for me, then. The goal is to shoot her and have it be all her fault, so I'd like to do the hospital visits.

 

Based on the calculations on the wiki page, you will need to have not romanced her in ME1, not lower your weapon, make sure both Kirahe and Thane are dead, and be a jerk to her at some point if you have two bars or more of reputation. You could still visit her in the hospital, but I think you have to tell her off on Earth/Mars.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

I've played renegade to her on Mars. Was renegade to her in the hospital. "I thought that was behind us Shepard." Gave her Tennyson. Voiced suspicion of Udina. and she still joined the crew. I think the key is Tennyson if you want her to join the crew. Unfortunately they ruined her character on the ship.

 

I've also shot her while wearing Cerberus armor.

[AlanC9]

In retrospect, I should have mentioned that I'd already seen the wiki page.

Now the question is how to keep Rep low. I figure I can blow off all side-missions except Grissom Academy until post-coup, though I'll miss a few WA points that way. Hopefully that will be enough.

[AlanC9]

Well, so much for that plan. Looks like I'm already at two Rep bars after Priority: Palaven, without doing much of anything. I guess the ME2 import bonuses make failing that check impossible. Have to work on the trust score. I guess.

[themikefest]

As I posted above, it all depends on what dialogue you choose when facing Ashley/Kaidan

 

I just shot her less than 10 minutes ago after having been nice to her on Mars, seeing her 3 times in the hospital, giving her the poetry book and Thane preventing the Salarian councilor from being killed.

 

If you treat her like crap on Mars, don't visit her in the hospital and the councilor is killed, Shepard can avoid shooting her depending on what dialogue you choose and using the interrupt

[AlanC9]

I knew that before I started the thread. Like I said, " for RP reasons I don't want to pick the options that will prevent getting the Reputation check." I was asking about the Reputation check because that's the route I wanted to take, rather than blowing off the hospital visit and so forth.

[Iakus]

I've played renegade to her on Mars. Was renegade to her in the hospital. "I thought that was behind us Shepard." Gave her Tennyson. Voiced suspicion of Udina. and she still joined the crew. I think the key is Tennyson if you want her to join the crew. Unfortunately they ruined her character on the ship.

 

Not ruined (well, except for her appearance).  The character has to actually have a presence to be "ruined".  She's just sort of...there.  A ghost of her past self.  Drained of personality and not even replaced by something else.

[Iakus]

 
Now the question is how to keep Rep low. I figure I can blow off all side-missions except Grissom Academy until post-coup, though I'll miss a few WA points that way. Hopefully that will be enough.

The only way I can think of to keep rep as low as possible is to simply do nothing but the main story.  Don't talk to people, don't do side quests, even scanning missions.  Don't mediate discussions.  Those points really add up

 

And yeah I'm pretty sure a certain amount of rep comes with importing saves.

[themikefest]

You could always do a default playthrough with your reputation starting at zero.

[Jukaga]

Don't take any of the interrupts until the 'shoot' one appears, the first ones head off the execution. Just be mean and unforgiving to them, don't visit on Mars and for an extra treat make sure Kirrahe and Thane are dead.

[AlanC9]

The only way I can think of to keep rep as low as possible is to simply do nothing but the main story.  Don't talk to people, don't do side quests, even scanning missions.  Don't mediate discussions.  Those points really add up
 
And yeah I'm pretty sure a certain amount of rep comes with importing saves.

Looks like you're right. Just the mandatory missions and walking around the Normandy have given me about 3/4 of a Rep bar after Priority: Sur'Kesh. Even if I blew off Grissom Academy and all Citadel convos I figure the mandatory next mission and Priority: Tuchanka would put me well over one bar, so even if the threshold was three bars I couldn't help but pass the check since this Shep imported with two bars.

Ah, well. I was planning on doing a no-import FailShep sometime, so I guess this can wait until then.

[AlanC9]

Just to clear up some misinformation I posted, my character imported with about one full bar -- I misread the 1/2 bar tick that shows up until you get to two full bars.

 

Right after Priority:Tuchanka it looks like I've got about 2.6 bars. That's with a somewhat minimalist run; as minimalist as I'm likely to ever go, anyway. I did all Normandy convos and all Citadel squadmate convos (including Ash), Attican Traverse as the required side mission, Grissom Academy and Hanar Diplomat since they expire, and very little other content --Aethyta convo since that expires, Biotic Amp Interfaces since I picked them up on Grissom, and maybe 10 Rep points from one-off Citadel convos.

 

So while blowing the Rep check would require skipping lots of content with an import  --unless that import got through ME2 with fewer morality points than I think possible -- it looks pretty doable with a new game.