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[The King In The North]

i wonder if she did marry him and he would became emperor would orlais start a war of conquest and how would the nobles in orais react and would what ferelden do would they revolt against cailin or would they follow him outta respect for him bloodline that would be interesting if it did happen i am pro-ferelden 

[myahele]

There are plenty of people that remembers the orlesian occupation and are very bitter.

There'll probably be another civil war due to Cailans incompetence. But in the end it really depends on how ferelden will be treated.

[Kingthlayer]

It wouldn't have worked out for Ferelden.  Cailan would have to divorce Anora.  Loghain wouldn't have supported the marriage if it wasn't his daughter getting thrown on her ass in the first place, he would rebel for certain.  Eamon having already married an Orlesian might see this has a good thing, the Couslands I have no idea what they would do.  The smart move would be to marry the second son(who isn't really canon since he can be a she) to a now divorced Anora, and join forces with Loghain.  Put Cousland and Anora on the throne.

 

As for Orlais, the Orlesian nobles won't bend the knee to a Ferelden dog for very long, but I think they might allign with Cailan, Eamon and whatever Fereldens are on their side to crush the Mac Tir/Cousland alliance, and now Ferelden is very weak the Orlesians would assinate Cailan and move back into Ferelden.  Likely they'll take out Celene as well.

[KC_Prototype]

I'd say the Couslands would be okay with it because they were accepting Orlesian gifts. Now for the rest of Ferelden? They be mad because a lot remember the Orlesian occupation of their home and Orlesians would be mad at a unification with "dog lords". It would be good because  Ferelden and Orlais could work on creating a better relationship with each other and also get an heir to the throne. 

[The King In The North]

There are plenty of people that remembers the orlesian occupation and are very bitter.

There'll probably be another civil war due to Cailans incompetence. But in the end it really depends on how ferelden will be treated.

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[TheKomandorShepard]

Nothing good for sure orlais would try consume ferelden and commoners would lost all rights that they have and get rather abusive authorities so pretty much rebellion on side of fereldens. 

[x Raizer x]

I wouldn't trust Orlais with Ferelden is any way, shape, or form.

Ferelden needs its independence.  Its almost part of their culture, imbued after years at war with Orlais and the Darkspawn.

[X Equestris]

It would almost certainly be civil war. Loghain would have definitely rebelled. Arl Eamon would probably have supported Cailan. The real question mark is what the Couslands would have done. On one hand, Bryce Couslands was a royalist, so he may have stuck with the king. On the other, he also fought in the rebellion, so the idea of Orlais annexing Ferelden through marriage might not sit well with him.

On the Orlesian side, I think the nobles would grit their teeth and accept the marriage. Celene would definitely be the one actually running things, so it would be a much more acceptable deal than a marriage to a stronger Fereldan monarch. I could see the Orlesians sending troops to put down any rebellion, but that would only inflame the situation. Plenty Fereldans remember the occupation, and they wouldn't want another one.

[Iakus]

Assuming there wasn't a civil war (big if there), my guess would be they would each still rule their own kingdom, with the other as a "consort" but any child they had would be heir to both thrones.

 

In a generation, Ferelden would have become part of Orlais.

[TEWR]

Here ya go. My post on this very subject on my tumblr.

[Xandurpein]

Let's just say that it won't be Cailan that is the one in charge in that marriage. Personally, I'm not even sure Celene would say yes, she seems intent on keeping her freedom privately as well as publicly.

[X Equestris]

Let's just say that it won't be Cailan that is the one in charge in that marriage. Personally, I'm not even sure Celene would say yes, she seems intent on keeping her freedom privately as well as publicly.

She was perfectly willing to marry Cailan, but that fell through with the Blight and all. The Masked Empire mentions it very briefly.

[TK514]

She was perfectly willing to marry Cailan, but that fell through with the Blight and all. The Masked Empire mentions it very briefly.

 

When Briala is telling her she's being an idiot for not marrying someone for the good of Orlais.

 

And yes, unless they'd found a way to remove the MacTir family, there would have been civil war in Ferelden without a doubt.

[Sarcastic Tasha]

When Queen Elizabeth I died having no heir the next in line to the throne was King James VI of Scotland. He then became James I of England as well and poor Scotland is still stuck with England! Though they are thinking of leaving. So I don't think it would be a good move for Fereldan.

[AresKeith]

Assuming there wasn't a civil war (big if there), my guess would be they would each still rule their own kingdom, with the other as a "consort" but any child they had would be heir to both thrones.

In a generation, Ferelden would have become part of Orlais.

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[Joe25]

i wonder if she did marry him and he would became emperor would orlais start a war of conquest and how would the nobles in orais react and would what ferelden do would they revolt against cailin or would they follow him outta respect for him bloodline that would be interesting if it did happen i am pro-ferelden 

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[Elite Midget]

When Briala is telling her she's being an idiot for not marrying someone for the good of Orlais.

 

And yes, unless they'd found a way to remove the MacTir family, there would have been civil war in Ferelden without a doubt.

Couslands and the Howe's would rebel too so they would have to be removed or there would be rebellions even without the MacTir family. After all, they fought in the war so they would both sooner die than see Ferelden ruled once more by the same people they fought to kick off their land in the first place. 

[Urazz]

It definitely would've resulted in a civil war in Fereldan for sure but I think how bad the civil war gets would be dependent on how well the Fereldan citizens and nobles are treated through Celene conquering Fereldan in this fashion.

 

If the citizens aren't abused by Chevaliers and Orlesian nobles and the publicity is handled right, then I think the Fereldan citizens would be more okay with this.  At least the younger generation of Fereldans and those who didn't experience much abuse from the Orlesians in the past.

 

As for the Fereldan nobility, I think it would matter more based on if they get to remain in control of their territory without Orlesian nobility trying to dominate them.

 

If these things happen and Fereldan is treated equally like the other parts of the Orlesian empire, then Loghain wouldn't have much ground to build a civil war upon I think.

 

But I doubt this would've happened like that and more likely Fereldan and Orlais would erupt into civil war because greedy nobles on the Orlesian side would abuse things and Loghain would get a decent civil war started in Fereldan.

 

As for the Couslands, I think them rebelling would be dependent on if Orlais behaves like they did with their past occupation of Fereldan.

[TK514]

Couslands and the Howe's would rebel too so they would have to be removed or there would be rebellions even without the MacTir family. After all, they fought in the war so they would both sooner die than see Ferelden ruled once more by the same people they fought to kick off their land in the first place.

Howe maybe, but I doubt the Couslands would. If they were already entertaining Orlesian diplomatic overtures, as suggested by Howe, then that plus the fact that they were Therin supporters would probably be enough for them to stay loyal and follow Cailan's lead. Particularly if they lost none of their lands or influence in the bargain.

You're probably right that they'd have had to occupy Amaranthine, though.

[Wolfen09]

War, plain and simple.  Cailan would get eamon and teagen to side with him, eamon seemed so butt hurt after my cousland took over, cause i wasnt of therin blood.  Loghain would once again get howe, and howe would have also assassinated the couslands like last time (only reason it would be done again is because the couslands could become a threat to gain power over anora).  The other vassals would be split by who their personal loyalties are to, but i would suspect loghain would pull about 75% of ferelden with him.

 

End of the day, Orlais stomps ferelden, snuffs out loghain and anora (they learned their lesson last time when they left marric and his mother alive).  Then Gaspard and or other high ranking nobles, strip cailan and celene of power and rule over both countries now.

[Former_Fiend]

I imagine Loghain or Anora would have murdered Cailen first chance they got. Don't imagine that would go very well for them or anyone else, afterwards, but it would have happened.

[Chewin]

Here ya go. My post on this very subject on my tumblr.

 

Well put, it addresses the issue nicely.

 

Yes, as most people have stated, Ferelden would be in a disadvantage. I feel that another war with Orlais and Ferelden is inevitable, so they only hope Ferelden would have of getting the advantage over Orlais would be establishing relations with Nevarra, Orlais' enemy. A peace bewteen Orlais and Ferelden would most likely have delayed any conflict between the nations, so it would give the perfect opportunity to subtlety play Nerra against Orlais and potentially even make a coalition and take down Orlais.

[Kingthlayer]

War, plain and simple.  Cailan would get eamon and teagen to side with him, eamon seemed so butt hurt after my cousland took over, cause i wasnt of therin blood.  Loghain would once again get howe, and howe would have also assassinated the couslands like last time (only reason it would be done again is because the couslands could become a threat to gain power over anora).  The other vassals would be split by who their personal loyalties are to, but i would suspect loghain would pull about 75% of ferelden with him.

 

End of the day, Orlais stomps ferelden, snuffs out loghain and anora (they learned their lesson last time when they left marric and his mother alive).  Then Gaspard and or other high ranking nobles, strip cailan and celene of power and rule over both countries now.

 

No way Howe takes out the Couslands in this scenario.  Bryce would crush the Howe army before joining up with Cailan.

[Augustei]

Cailan would have been assassinated (By Celene/The Orlesians once she got an heir she could pass off as his, whether it was his or not. Or by the Ferelden nobility for being a complete idiot and marrying Celene) Orlais would make Ferelden its ****** and direct majority revenue obtained from the Coastlands back to Orlais, The new heir would be Orlesian since their culture is so much more prevalent, dominating and sophisticated. The capital would be Val Royeaux, oh and Ferelden would be Orlais's ****** theres absolutely no doubt about it.
If Fereldens nobles are smart they would rebel...Though many of them aren't very smart.

Seriously if anyone actually thinks Ferelden would benefit or the relationship would be one of equality or Ferelden would be anywhere near dominant in this union then I highly suggest they take some sort of Political course before they state their utterly wrong opinions like that.

[Urazz]

Cailan would have been assassinated (By Celene/The Orlesians once she got an heir she could pass off as his, whether it was his or not. Or by the Ferelden nobility for being a complete idiot and marrying Celene) Orlais would make Ferelden its ****** and direct majority revenue obtained from the Coastlands back to Orlais, The new heir would be Orlesian since their culture is so much more prevalent, dominating and sophisticated, The capital would be Val Royeaux, oh and Ferelden would be Orlais's ****** theres absolutely no doubt about it.
If Fereldens nobles are smart they would rebel...Though many of them aren't very smart.

Seriously if anyone actually thinks Ferelden would benefit or the relationship would be one of equality or Ferelden would be anywhere near dominant in this union then I highly suggest they take some sort of Political course before they state their utterly wrong opinions like that.

Actually, I don't think Celene would bother having Cailan assassinated.  She would have him wrapped around her finger if they did marry.  What you would have to worry about is if Celene and Cailan get assassinated by the Orlesian nobles.