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[Battlebloodmage]

Straight hair doesn't mean a weave though. Many black women ironing out their hair or go to salon for that. As a fashion country, I'm sure they have something like that. Some black women find kinky hair hard to manage, so it's not about being desirable but being comfortable and don't have to worry their hair.

[Hellion Rex]

How the hell did we get from Viv's eye color to her hair?

[Vumba the Wild Elf]

So now a woman can't even have her hair styled?  What exactly do you have against freedom of expression?

Listen...

 

In the western world, African features have always been viewed with deep distaste, especially in women, and that's not healthy especially for black women. In the 1980s things were descent even though there was more racism. The media is making it a lot worse by making a point that you are not beautiful because you look more African, thus they use fake crap like weaves, wigs and fake hair to look more caucasian, and it is effed up, and this is a problem let me tell you.

[Battlebloodmage]

 

OMG.......

 

Listen...

 

In the western world, and even in some parts of African, African features are viewed with deep distaste, especially in women, and that's not healthy especially for black women. The media doesn't help with that either, thus weaves, wigs and fake hair. This is a problem let me tell you, because the media is always saying you are not beautiful because you are black.

 

Isn't that what people usually referring to people who are not white? It's not just blacks who have to deal with the Eurocentric standard of beauty.

[Vumba the Wild Elf]

Straight hair doesn't mean a weave though. Many black women ironing out their hair or go to salon for that. As a fashion country, I'm sure they have something like that. Some black women find kinky hair hard to manage, so it's not about being desirable but being comfortable and don't have to worry their hair.

Err no? it's the easiest, other than having to put chemicals in it, and doing it all over. You just have to comb it.

[Vumba the Wild Elf]

Isn't that what people usually referring to people who are not white? It's not just blacks who have to deal with the Eurocentric standard of beauty.

With black people it's not good at all considering that black people's appearance are pretty much the opposite of white people's appearance.

[Battlebloodmage]

Err no? it's the easiest, other than having to put chemicals in it, and doing it all over. You just have to comb it.

My roommate has it and usually has to tie it back or else it would be in the way like when exercising. Vivienne is on a battlefield, so her shaving her head seems to have a good reason. It could be because Bioware doesn't know how to make curly hair or just doesn't bother to. Either ways, Her shaved head is the most neutral. It's neither black or white.

[Samahl]

With black people it's not good at all considering that black people's appearance is pretty much the opposite of white people's appearance.

 

Not to mention that anti-blackness, like Eurocentric beauty standards, is present almost everywhere in the developed world.

[Icy Magebane]

Listen...

 

In the western world, and even in some parts of African, African features are viewed with deep distaste, especially in women, and that's not healthy especially for black women. The media doesn't help with that either, thus weaves, wigs and fake hair. This is a problem let me tell you, because the media is always saying you are not beautiful because you are black.

Your ideal of beauty is not a universally accepted truth and you have no right to demand that others adhere to your standards.  It's not up to you to make decisions about anybody's life and perceptions but your own.  Whatever an individual decides to do with their hair and their body is their business.  Period.  It's fine to have strong opinions, but when you start to believe that your opinions are facts, they become nothing but obstacles.

 

Err no? it's the easiest, other than having to put chemicals in it, and doing it all over. You just have to comb it.

Further evidence that you simply wish to control others... this is absolutely shameful.

[Battlebloodmage]

With black people it's not good at all considering that black people's appearance are pretty much the opposite of white people's appearance.

Every race has its problem. Asians have to fix their eyes to look more "white" and presentable. Skin-whitening is not only in the black community but also in Asian community as well. I find Asians and Blacks to be two of the most racially discriminated against, so I would rather not play the "who has it worst" game. All I'm saying is the eurocentric standard affect all minorities, not just blacks.

[Samahl]

Further evidence that you simply wish to control others... this is absolutely shameful.

 

You're misinterpreting what they're saying. They aren't trying to tell actual people how to present themselves, they're commenting on the reality of anti-blackness in media and advertising.

[Hellion Rex]

So...I kinda liked the electric blue color that Viv had in one of the trailers. Reminded me of Storm.

[AresKeith]

^ Same

[Hanako Ikezawa]

So...I kinda liked the electric blue color that Viv had in one of the trailers. Reminded me of Storm.

Me too. 

[Tevinter Rose]

I read somewhere they are supposed to update the characters soon with their finalized looks. So we'll find out soon enough what Viv's eye color is. It'll probably be brown. I'm kinda hoping they do it when Gamescom happens

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Link?

 

(--is the name of the player character in the Zelda series, not Zelda!!)

Here:

[Vumba the Wild Elf]

Your ideal of beauty is not a universally accepted truth and you have no right to demand that others adhere to your standards.  It's not up to you to make decisions about anybody's life and perceptions but your own.  Whatever an individual decides to do with their hair and their body is their business.  Period.  It's fine to have strong opinions, but when you start to believe that your opinions are facts, they become nothing but obstacles.

 

Further evidence that you simply wish to control others... this is absolutely shameful.

Er, you are not even understanding me at all. I never said anything of my ideal of "beauty", that is what the people who run this system are doing through the media. 

 

Demanding others to adhere to my standards? Hardly. I am saying black people need to adhere to their own standards, not to that of others.

 

Controlling others? Lol..... When you put on fake hair every time you get out of the house to look like someone of another race, and bleach your skin... I don't know.

[AresKeith]

So...I kinda liked the electric blue color that Viv had in one of the trailers. Reminded me of Storm.

 

We need a Stormish pic of Vivienne

[Battlebloodmage]

Er, you are not even understanding me at all. I never said anything of my ideal of "beauty", that is what the people who run this system are doing through the media.

 

Demanding others to adhere to my standards? I have no standards.

 

I am saying black people need to adhere to their own standards, not to that of others.

 

Controlling others? Lol.. .

I'm all about that, but I personally feel like if a black woman wants to straighten their hair then wouldn't that be her decision and what she perceived as her own standard of beauty? I personally find the kinky hair style to be very unique and beautiful, so I'm not trying to put down that. I just want to understand what you mean by "their own standard". Who are they? The individuals or the black community as a whole that decides what their standard of beauty should be? 

[Vumba the Wild Elf]

I'm all about that, but I personally feel like if a black woman wants to straighten their hair then wouldn't that be her decision and what she perceived as her own standard of beauty? I personally find the kinky hair style to be very unique and beautiful, so I'm not trying to put down that. I just want to understand what you mean by "their own standard". Who are they? The individuals or the black community as a whole that decides what their standard of beauty should be? 

Black community? Lol that joke was funny.

 

White people, and everyone else have their own standards of beauty like long hair, colored eyes, and stuff that is kind of the opposite of what black people naturally look like, and it's all over the media. Black people are exposed to this media, and it's standards are usually the opposite of what they naturally look like. They think that their own natural looks are no good, and they try so hard to somehow fit into the standards of none blacks. What I should have said was black people need to focus on what makes them unique and realize it is beautiful, just as white and other people do. 

[Samahl]

I'm all about that, but I personally feel like if a black woman wants to straighten their hair then wouldn't that be her decision and what she perceived as her own standard of beauty? I personally find the kinky hair style to be very unique and beautiful, so I'm not trying to put down that. I just want to understand what you mean by "their own standard". Who are they? The individuals or the black community as a whole that decides what their standard of beauty should be? 

 

On an individual level, I'm sure we all agree, but Vumba is talking about wider society, if I'm reading their posts correctly.

[Sylvius the Mad]

I don't think you'll ever understand, tbh, since you don't seem to care about people actualizing their racism.

If it has no material effect on anyone else, why would anyone care?

[Sylvius the Mad]

On an individual level, I'm sure we all agree, but Vumba is talking about wider society, if I'm reading their posts correctly.

There is only the individual level.  Every person making a decision is an individual.