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If it has no material effect on anyone else, why would anyone care?
Because the desire to whitewash Vivienne is rooted in racism, which can manifest in a variety of different behaviors, some of which do affect others? Someone who displays a propensity for anger isn't limited to just one method of channeling that anger.
If it has no material effect on anyone else, why would anyone care?
Because your changing the way someone looks to appeal to you
There is only the individual level. Every person making a decision is an individual.
Vivienne doesn't exist. She is not a real person whom we can actually impose our will on or pressure in anyway. Effectively, she is composed of her writer and her designer, people who have the power to push certain harmful images and stereotypes forward.
If you're only going to include one important black person in your setting, you're writing yourself into a corner.
Because the desire to whitewash Vivienne is rooted in racism
Not necessarily. The desire to whitewash Isabela was driven partly by the difficulty the engine had rendering dark skintones. When I modded her, my first chocie would have been to make her darker (because dark skin was more appropriate given her background), but that didn't work in-engine, so I went the other way.
All changes of appearance are equivalent. I modded Leliana's appearance in DAO, once, because the colours of her portrait were too similar to that Warden's portrait, so I modded her for reasons relating to UI function.
There are any number of reasons why someone might mod the appearance of a character. And I see no meaningful difference between changing skin tone, facial features, hair colour, or giving them wings or fangs. They're all simply cosmetic changes.
Moreover, taking away someone's ability to whitewash her doesn't affect the pre-existing desire to do so. So even if the motive were racist, what is gained from preventing the mod?
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Not necessarily. The desire to whitewash Isabela was driven partly by the difficulty the engine had rendering dark skintones. When I modded her, my first chocie would have been to make her darker (because dark skin was more appropriate given her background), but that didn't work in-engine, so I went the other way.
Like she's just not pure white or black enough, she has to be one or the other huh.
Like she's just not pure white or black enough, she has to be one or the other huh.
It was just muddy. I didn't like it. I find Eva Mendes unattractive for the same reason (though a similar tone, but clearer, I quite like - many Bollywood actresses would be good examples).
It was just muddy. I didn't like it. I find Eva Mendes unattractive for the same reason (though a similar tone, but clearer, I quite like - many Bollywood actresses would be good examples).
DA2 Isabela? Because I thought her skin tone was fine
DA2 Isabela? Because I thought her skin tone was fine
Many people did.
Not all people like the same things.
Fans cant decide eye color of a companion.
Everyone loses their minds.
Not necessarily. The desire to whitewash Isabela was driven partly by the difficulty the engine had rendering dark skintones. When I modded her, my first chocie would have been to make her darker (because dark skin was more appropriate given her background), but that didn't work in-engine, so I went the other way.
I don't really get it... I mean, what's the problem with leaving her the way she was? It's obviously up to the individual but... hm. I honestly just don't see the value in "going the other way" because the system supposedly can't handle dark skin? What kind of a reason is that?
Many people did.
Not all people like the same things.
Even if I didn't like it I wouldn't change it
I didn't like her appearance. She just looked odd to me, and given the limitations of the engine the only way to fix that was to make her paler.I don't really get it... I mean, what's the problem with leaving her the way she was? It's obviously up to the individual but... hm. I honestly just don't see the value in "going the other way" because the system can't handle dark skin? What kind of a reason is that?
I have preferences. I cause no harm by altering the game to suit those preferences. Why would anyone ever object to that?
Eh... I guess it's consistent with most of what I've read from you (having particular tastes, no matter the subject). Maybe I just think some things should be left alone. This seems like crossing the line, but... I guess that's not really up to me, is it?
You enjoy being in the presence of things you dislike?Even if I didn't like it I wouldn't change it
You enjoy being in the presence of things you dislike?
It's a fictional world that exists only for me, and it can even be different every time I use it. Why not take advantage of that?
This is no different from Skyrim's My Little Pony mod - you make the game into the game you want to play that day.
Because it's respecting the design the developers wanted for the character
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It was just muddy. I didn't like it. I find Eva Mendes unattractive for the same reason (though a similar tone, but clearer, I quite like - many Bollywood actresses would be good examples).
All you've really done is shift the racism crosshair from black people to certain "muddy" olive skinned people. That's not really a different reason from why black people get whitewashed.
An aesthetic preference for a skin tone is not equivalent to racism.All you've really done is shift the racism crosshair from black people to certain "muddy" olive skinned people. That's not really a different reason from why black people get whitewashed.
Once I receive the content, the only design intent that matters is mine.Because it's respecting the design the developers wanted for the character
An aesthetic preference for a skin tone is not equivalent to racism.
It's not a coincidence that so many people have a "preference" for lighter skin.
Let's be nice everyone. I'm pretty sure implying other posters as racist goes against the site rules we all agreed to in order to be here.
Once I receive the content, the only design intent that matters is mine.
Correlation does not equal causation, particularly in all instances.It's not a coincidence that so many people have a "preference" for lighter skin.
What does that mean? Modding was possible and permitted in both games. It was even encouraged in DAO.Not entirely since we aren't allowed to change the skin tone or hair of other characters in the game
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Let's be nice everyone. I'm pretty sure implying other posters as racist goes against the site rules we all agreed to in order to be here.
When that's what the comments amount to, I don't see the problem in saying so. I don't see anyone being uncivil.
Let's be nice everyone. I'm pretty sure implying other posters as racist goes against the site rules we all agreed to in order to be here.
It's interesting that you, of all people, would say this.
Saying that people who take part in racist behaviors are racist is not in violation of site rules.
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