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[mikeymoonshine]

You are inaccurate and once again prove the racial stereotypes.

 

Black does not mean that, it is a word for the grouping of many different ethnicitys which are btw indigenous within the African continent and outside of it, just like when one says white which could mean Russian,Scottish,German, etc

 

Btw I have been to Australia and have alot of friends whom are aboriginal and they call themselves black

 

 

Ps having blonde hair is not a white trait nor blue eyes,learn actual genetics

 

In America being black is very centered around African descent because of America's history with slavery. It's more to do with cultural history there than actual skin colour. Other countries view it differently and so it does get confusing. 

 

Vivienne is obviously designed with African looking features though and blue eyes are incredibly rare (but not impossible) in African people. It's about representation, I can see why some would be annoyed to see a character who is a representation of African people given features that don't really represent those people in a later edit. I think the blue eyes were just the eye colour bug though. 

 

Anyway I don't think her eye colour a massive deal but I understand the concern and I don't think it's an unreasonable argument to make.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Really, how didn't it work? You couldn't see Isabela because of bad lighting?

That would only matter if I had a preference to see her.

It's always about preference. We each want different things.

And I don't see how changing skin colour is any different from changing the lip gloss, or the clothing.

[mikeymoonshine]

That would only matter if I had a preference to see her.

It's always about preference. We each want different things.

And I don't see how changing skin colour is any different from changing the lip gloss, or the clothing.

 

 

Seriously? 

[Sylvius the Mad]

Seriously?

I'd be happy to have someone explain it to me.

PMs will do.

[Icy Magebane]

And I don't see how changing skin colour is any different from changing the lip gloss, or the clothing.

Even if you don't think the change is important, you should still be able to tell that skin color is more than a cosmetic, superficial qualitiy.  Unlike clothing, makeup, and even eye color, skin color cannot be altered on a whim in the real world.  You're essentially changing who the person is when you alter their race... this should be obvious.

 

Using the almost limitless freedom of mods to alter things that cannot be changed in real life does not remove the implications of such changes.  If you swap out Fenris's body model with a human's, is he still an elf?  No, even if you don't alter the coding and the game still treats him as such.  It's the same principle..

[mikeymoonshine]

I'd be happy to have someone explain it to me.

PMs will do.

 

I would think the fact that we can all change our clothing (and makeup) easily but not our skin colour would make it pretty obvious that these are different things? 

 

Makeup and clothing are not part of our physical selves. 

 

That's probably the best you are going to get from me on the subject. If others wish to explain more then go ahead but the fact that it is not obvious is somewhat worrying to me which makes me feel like this isn't something worth expanding on. 

[Icy Magebane]

lol... I think I'm done too.  Actually I was done yesterday, but I just happened to wander in at the wrong time and saw that comment.  Now I'm really done.

[Sylvius the Mad]

"It's a technical issue"

"What issue?"

"Doesn't matter, I don't want to see her"

Okayyy.

So we're back to you just not wanting to see "muddy" skinned people. Yeah, I got that, totally not racist or anything.

It's extremely uncommon on real world humans. I think Isabela looked like a bad paint job. She looked less real.

I wanted to fix that.

There is no basis for any claim of racism.

[Sylvius the Mad]

Even if you don't think the change is important, you should still be able to tell that skin color is more than a cosmetic, superficial qualitiy. Unlike clothing, makeup, and even eye color, skin color cannot be altered on a whim in the real world. You're essentially changing who the person is when you alter their race... this should be obvious.

You are who you want to be.

How others perceive you doesn't change who you are or what you are. Only you get to decide that.

Using the almost limitless freedom of mods to alter things that cannot be changed in real life does not remove the implications of such changes. If you swap out Fenris's body model with a human's, is he still an elf? No, even if you don't alter the coding and the game still treats him as such. It's the same principle..

And I completely disagree. If Fenris thinks he's an elf, then he's an elf. Who am I to challenge his identity?

If I take away your male body and give you a female body, does that stop you from being male? Of course not. You'd no longer be a cisgendered male, but you could still be male. And you would be the only person who got to decide that.

[Sylvius the Mad]

It's called olive skin.

Olive skin happens all over. Many people in Latin America or Mediterranean regions have olive skin.

They look like people.

[Allan Schumacher]

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