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[SomeoneStoleMyName]

Just played through DA:2 again. And something is bothering me... alot.

(Mask of the betrayer spoilers)

 

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It seems that nomatter what you do, you cant choose to oppose Tallis and Qunari interests. When I first found out she was Qunari my first thought was "Cant wait to end her". Yet nomatter what you say or do through the entire DLC, there is absolutely no way to stop her from running of with that list.

You cant stop Tallis, you cant kill her, you cant steal or take that list of names from her, you cant persuade the Baron to side with you.

Now, for Bioware which always seem to have the "Be who you want to be" mantra and freedom of choice - this whole DLC is rigged in favor of Qunari interests. It is as if the whole DLC was made exclusively for Qunari sympathizers.

Heart of the mountain? Who cares! This was the perfect oppurtunity to kill a Qunari spy AND get that juicy list to oppose the Qunari. I think the DLC was great overall, but the bitter taste in my mouth after completing it due to this forced outcome really ruined it for me to a big degree. 

Is there anything Im missing or skipped that causes an outcome with atleast one of these?

A) Tallis dead
B.) Qunari list in my hands
C) Qunari list in the hands of the Baron
D) Baron lives

[Ozzy]

Nah, the ending scenario was railroaded regardless of your choice. Many took issue with it soon after the DLC's release. 

[Ophir147]

I'm assuming you mean Mark of the Assassin.

 

And yes it is pretty bogus. I try not to think about it much. Or that the events of the DLC are canon whether you decide to do them or not.

[cronshaw]

I liked the big rainbow bear

[Sir George Parr]

I'd have personally being happy if your option A, was the railroaded outcome.  

[Lhawke]

I liked the clothes

[teenparty]

Just played through DA:2 again. And something is bothering me... alot.

(Mask of the betrayer spoilers)

 

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It seems that nomatter what you do, you cant choose to oppose Tallis and Qunari interests. When I first found out she was Qunari my first thought was "Cant wait to end her". Yet nomatter what you say or do through the entire DLC, there is absolutely no way to stop her from running of with that list.

You cant stop Tallis, you cant kill her, you cant steal or take that list of names from her, you cant persuade the Baron to side with you.

Now, for Bioware which always seem to have the "Be who you want to be" mantra and freedom of choice - this whole DLC is rigged in favor of Qunari interests. It is as if the whole DLC was made exclusively for Qunari sympathizers.

Heart of the mountain? Who cares! This was the perfect oppurtunity to kill a Qunari spy AND get that juicy list to oppose the Qunari. I think the DLC was great overall, but the bitter taste in my mouth after completing it due to this forced outcome really ruined it for me to a big degree. 

Is there anything Im missing or skipped that causes an outcome with atleast one of these?

A) Tallis dead
B.) Qunari list in my hands
C) Qunari list in the hands of the Baron
D) Baron lives

I agree with you. It is possible to tell Talis that you hate her and that you want to kill her, but you can't actually do it.

 

I don't really see why you want to side with the Baron. I would take the list to Kirkwall if I had the choice. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

I distinctly remember having a twin-knives (kill) option on the dialogue wheel at the end of MotA, after helping her.

[Dabrikishaw]

I distinctly remember having a twin-knives (kill) option on the dialogue wheel at the end of MotA, after helping her.

It doesn't do anything to Talis. That's the critique. 

[teh DRUMPf!!]

It doesn't do anything to Talis. That's the critique. 

 

What does it do? Never picked it myself.

[Dabrikishaw]

What does it do? Never picked it myself.

Hawke suggests that they should kill Talis, Talis make a comment, nothing happens to Talis after that.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Hawke suggests that they should kill Talis, Talis make a comment, nothing happens to Talis after that.

 

Oh that's stupid, lol.

[Elite Midget]

Most likely it's because there are future plans for Tallis. So this is another case of Narrative > Choice.

 

A lot of bad choices tend to suffer through this in ME and DA series.

[Ryzaki]

...Yeah you mean mark of the assassin.

 

I came in here really confused cause MOTB was pretty decent on the choice front. Evil ending 4lyfe.

 

But yeah MOTA was ugh. Even choosing to leave somehow has Hawke wander like an idiot right to where Tallis is so he can help.

[King Dragonlord]

...Yeah you mean mark of the assassin.

 

I came in here really confused cause MOTB was pretty decent on the choice front. Evil ending 4lyfe.

 

But yeah MOTA was ugh. Even choosing to leave somehow has Hawke wander like an idiot right to where Tallis is so he can help.

 

Yeah, I have my beef with Mask of the Betrayer (the entire premise for example).

 

But Mark of the Assassin was over all nice. It was fun to get out of dreary Kirkwall and have a proper adventure. Slightly dampened by it's feeling a bit too much like fanfic (but then it wouldn't be the first time in DA2). 

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

...Yeah you mean mark of the assassin.

 

I came in here really confused cause MOTB was pretty decent on the choice front. Evil ending 4lyfe.

 

But yeah MOTA was ugh. Even choosing to leave somehow has Hawke wander like an idiot right to where Tallis is so he can help.

 

Hawke: Just once I'd like to kill someone I say I'm going to kill. Didn't get to kill Petrice, didn't get to say **** about Corypheus going all body surf, don't even get to kill this guddamn Talis! For ****'s sake devs!

[Han Shot First]

I'm okay with not being able to kill every character. I'm not okay with the protagonist being reduced to being their drooling lap dog.

 

But that's Hawke. Hawke repeatedly gets outsmarted and played by other characters. I suppose it was consistent. 

[King Dragonlord]

I'm okay with not being able to kill every character. I'm not okay with the protagonist being reduced to being their drooling lap dog.

 

But that's Hawke. Hawke repeatedly gets outsmarted and played by other characters. I suppose it was consistent. 

He never should have worked with Sister Patrice more than once.

[Elhanan]

He never should have worked with Sister Patrice more than once.

I can only recall working with Petrice once, and simply witnessed her involvement after that. Maybe this is altered via dialogue (or my poor memory); uncertain.

[themikefest]

I would like to have the option to kill Tallis for lying or at least misleading me about everything.

[KaiserShep]

He never should have worked with Sister Patrice more than once.

Hawke can only cooperate with Petrice if you play the aggressive personality.

[Elhanan]

I would like to have the option to kill Tallis for lying or at least misleading me about everything.

While I agree that this could be annoying, if Hawke was allowed to kill all of those with a sim behavior, there would be few left in Kirkwall. Plus, Felicia Day is sorely needed for TableTop!

[Jukaga]

I sympathize with the issues raised already,  I too would have liked the opportunity to strike a blow to the North Koreans of Thedas but we were railroaded. Tallis herself was a problem, terrible out of place voice acting and she had the symbol of the Qun on her armor and Hawke and co. were surprised by the revelation... bad writing and plotting there. Also the reward armor for mages is just an ugly Chantry robe? When you pay for DLC campaigns, the new items better be friggin' new. If DAI has the same reskinned armors that DAO and DA2 abuses rather than actual unique sets I'll be upset.

 

The best looking mage armors in the game were Malcolm's mercenary armor and the pirate mage armor and guess why? Because they don't look like elaborate bath robes. Robes are fine for ivory tower academic mages but adventurers should have something more practical. Whoa, off topic!

[tirnoney]

I sympathize with the issues raised already, I too would have liked the opportunity to strike a blow to the North Koreans of Thedas but we were railroaded. Tallis herself was a problem, terrible out of place voice acting and she had the symbol of the Qun on her armor and Hawke and co. were surprised by the revelation... bad writing and plotting there. Also the reward armor for mages is just an ugly Chantry robe? When you pay for DLC campaigns, the new items better be friggin' new. If DAI has the same reskinned armors that DAO and DA2 abuses rather than actual unique sets I'll be upset.

The best looking mage armors in the game were Malcolm's mercenary armor and the pirate mage armor and guess why? Because they don't look like elaborate bath robes. Robes are fine for ivory tower academic mages but adventurers should have something more practical. Whoa, off topic!

Do you mean Fugitive's mantle, or Malcolm's Bequest (the level 15 armour). The former I love, it's just a shame it's an act 1 armour. The latter looks awful on my femHawke so I often buy robes in lowtown to carry me over from Fugitives to Aldenon's vestments at level 17. But yes, I much prefer something that looks like armour. The dorky headgear in Origins was the worst though. My favourite for a mage is still the champion's set, even if it doesn't match up to Aldenon's vestments stat wise. For a warrior, I love the Regalia of Weishaupt. All the DLC armour for the rogue Hawke looks really good too.

And yes, I was so disappointed in the MofTA chantry robes. Like so many things in DA2, all it needed was a bit more love from the developers.

As for the Tallis thing, I just see it as yet another two-sided ideological war I'm forced to get involved in. I have little time for all the extremists in this game: chantry, qunari, templars.

[AutumnWitch]

I wish....she wouldn't have got past Kirkwall if it was up to me. Bloody trouble maker.