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[Lulupab]

It's possible, or it may simply be that there are two types of lyrium, and the red lyrium simply has more severe side effects, but more power built into it. 

 

Meredith was leaping around like Kermit in Muppet Treasure Island and bringing statutes to life, something most templars cannot do, but she was also well around the bend. 

 

The raw lyrium we find in the deep roads is already red and I suspect the idol is purely made from it. 

 

in act 1 there is "refined Lyrium" in the bone pit. where there are still no dragons. In act 2 there is corrupted Lyrium in the exact same spot and this si when teh dragons come.

http://dragonage.wik...orrupted_Lyrium

[Hellion Rex]

Meredith was leaping around like Kermit in Muppet Treasure Island and bringing statutes to life, something most templars cannot do, but she was also well around the bend. 

True, in return for her sanity, the red lyrium boosted her powers to their extremes.

[Icy Magebane]

One last question:  Surface dwarves gradually lose both their stone sense and magic resistance the longer they remain on the surface.  Does that also apply to raw lyrium resistance?  I ask this because if so it would call Dagna's theory into question.  Lyrium cannot be a foreign substance that manages to enter the bloodstream of Thedas's people, because humans, elves, and qunari are never in close contact with the mineral, yet are still born as mages.  If it is, on the other hand, a naturally occurring substance, then why would time on the surface alter the concentration of lyrium in dwarven blood?  Wouldn't the amount be the same, regardless of where the dwarf spends their life?  Thoughts?

[LobselVith8]

They can enchant without harm like Dwarves. We know this much.

 

I think it's an issue of skill and concentration to work with processed lyrium, as there are Dalish items that were crafted with lyrium, like the Dalish Battery. Enchantment also seems possible, since the "Keeper's Charm" reads, "Although elven enchantment is more complicated than tranquil methods, this ring proves that the old ways are still strong." I suspect that the tranquil have an easy time not losing focus, while the dwarves likely have trained to be as effective as they are in handling processed lyrium to craft exceptional items.

[Icy Magebane]

The raw lyrium we find in the deep roads is already red and I suspect the idol is purely made from it. 

 

in act 1 there is "refined Lyrium" in the bone pit. where there are still no dragons. In act 2 there is corrupted Lyrium in the exact same spot and this si when teh dragons come.

http://dragonage.wik...orrupted_Lyrium

Dragons' blood creates reavers... maybe red lyrium is related to blood magic in some way.

[Palidane]

Dragons' blood creates reavers... maybe red lyrium is related to blood magic in some way.

Which would make the Red Templars a delicious irony. I approve.

[godModeAlpha]

Mages, and templars both also cannot go anywhere close to unprocessed lyrium. Only the dwarves with their resistance to it can do that. They have to process it before either the mages or the templars get it.

And the templars drink it, whereas the mages, more often than not, use it externally in their rituals.

Interesting, I do recall mages drinking (guzzle is the right word) Lyrium to replenish mana in all DA games so far?

[godModeAlpha]

To be fair...
 
Lyrium Potion Item Description: A potion that contains a small amount of refined lyrium.

Aha, thanks for the clarification.

[godModeAlpha]

One last question: Surface dwarves gradually lose both their stone sense and magic resistance the longer they remain on the surface. Does that also apply to raw lyrium resistance? I ask this because if so it would call Dagna's theory into question. Lyrium cannot be a foreign substance that manages to enter the bloodstream of Thedas's people, because humans, elves, and qunari are never in close contact with the mineral, yet are still born as mages. If it is, on the other hand, a naturally occurring substance, then why would time on the surface alter the concentration of lyrium in dwarven blood? Wouldn't the amount be the same, regardless of where the dwarf spends their life? Thoughts?

How does Bartrand fit into the theory? Surface dwarf. A snippet from the wiki:

Bartrand has gone insane from his exposure to the idol. According to his steward Hugin, Bartrand believed the idol sang to him and forced his men to eat lyrium to make them hear the song,

[Icy Magebane]

How does Bartrand fit into the theory? Surface dwarf and touched red Lyrium (be it the idol). A snippet from the wiki:

Bartrand has gone insane from his exposure to the idol. According to his steward Hugin, Bartrand believed the idol sang to him and forced his men to eat lyrium to make them hear the song,

Good catch.  The red lyrium idol eventually drives people insane, even surface dwarves.  The problem is that we don't know for certain what red lyrium is, why it drives people insane, why the insanity it causes lead to extreme violence, or what properties it shares with blue lyrium.  Maybe we have a few details or hints here and there, but red lyrium is so much of a mystery that I don't think we can draw conclusions from it.  Maybe after DAI and we get some more details, but not this early.

 

At this point, can we even say for certain whether there is a connection between red lyrium and the Fade?

(edit:  the wiki says that red lyrium can cause the veil to become thin... pretty bizarre stuff.)

Modifié par Icy Magebane, 05 août 2014 - 12:06 .

[dragonflight288]

Make's sense. Millienia near lyrium dust, sand, and mines could do that.

 

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Now I have to replay Awakening. 

 

lol, yeah.

 

But I think I got the name wrong. That dwarven merchant in Orzammar in Origins who asks if we've seen his lunch says he got lyrium in directly in his blood as he was working with it and had a cut. 

 

I thought his name was Dwarkin, but that's Awakening. 

 

Wouldn't surprise me if he had the same problem though. 

[dragonflight288]

Interesting, I do recall mages drinking (guzzle is the right word) Lyrium to replenish mana in all DA games so far?

 

Also true. 

 

I guess that is a form of addiction in and of itself. 

[LobselVith8]

lol, yeah.

 

But I think I got the name wrong. That dwarven merchant in Orzammar in Origins who asks if we've seen his lunch says he got lyrium in directly in his blood as he was working with it and had a cut. 

 

I thought his name was Dwarkin, but that's Awakening. 

 

Wouldn't surprise me if he had the same problem though. 

 

You're thinking about Garin, who was effected by raw lyrium. He says, “There are a lot of you! And I've never see one of those before. The things they come up with... What was I saying?” I remember the lunch line, too.

[dragonflight288]

You're thinking about Garin, who was effected by raw lyrium. He says, “There are a lot of you! And I've never see one of those before. The things they come up with... What was I saying?” I remember the lunch line, too.

 

Thanks!