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#126
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Erm, no. 

 

I don't consider PC's in classifications, they are special snow flakes.

 

Senior Enchanters are those selected to lead circles, have decades of using magic and generally have immense knowledge of that Lore.

 

In Short, they are among the strongest of mages, I don't know if i'd would rate them against their Tevinter cousins, but that isn't here nor there.



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Well, technically, there are instances of mages forming magical shields in front of themselves and these being shattered by sword.

Then, of course, there's the Rock Armor spell which can be pierced.
 

 

Aka, Despite the grandeur of the Mages, they are still very mortal.

 

Just jab a stick of metal into their vitals and die like any one else.



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I think the original point is correct, and the easiest (and most obvious) way it could've worked would've been for Josephine to be a mage.  Why not?  Cullen is a Templar (Warrior) , Leliana is a Rogue, it really only made sense for Josephine to be a Mage.  Would've made her that much cooler too.

I disagree entirely. Her not being one of the three classes makes her unique and cooler than yet another mage. 


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I don't consider PC's in classifications, they are special snow flakes.

 

Senior Enchanters are those selected to lead circles, have decades of using magic and generally have immense knowledge of that Lore.

 

In Short, they are among the strongest of mages, I don't know if i'd would rate them against their Tevinter cousins, but that isn't here nor there.

 

Look, I've said my point before. I don't consider circle mages to be good combatants. To be a good combatant you need combat experience, which you don't get sitting in a tower. 



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I disagree entirely. Her not being one of the three classes makes her unique and cooler than yet another mage. 

Josephine has to rely on charm and cunning to get what she wants rather than on crutches like magic or martial skill.


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The original Inquisition went on to become the Seekers of Truth and the Templars.  It makes sense that these groups would once again be involved in reforming the Inquisition centuries later.  Whatever the player's objection to the Chantry may be, it stands to reason that a group endorsed by the Chantry and staffed by known, well-connected individuals would have a better chance of rallying the people and gaining audiences with nobility than a group of complete unknowns.  We won't be taking orders directly from the Chantry anyway, so I don't see what the big deal is.


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#132
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 There not being a mage in the begining is perfectly ok...after all it is an organization made of mage hating people....



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Yes it is diverse, it just isn't diverse the way you want it to be

Agreed.

 

We have a Templar, a First Enchanter, a self-taught mage, a surface Dwarf, a spirit, a Seeker, a Ben-Hassarath, a Tevinter Atlus, a bard, an underworld elf, an Antivan Merchant Princess, and a Grey Warden. 

 

Sure sounds diverse to me. 


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 There not being a mage in the begining is perfectly ok...after all it is an organization made of mage hating people....

 

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Indeed, and in this fictional piece of work, the world that the PC and its organization interacts with, is primarily Human.

 

To just stick to the Universe, of the created work, such a thing would have to be done unless if it was focused elsewhere.

 

The existence of the Night Elves alone disproves this line of thought. There could have been more variety among the companions and advisers if the developers chose to go that route, and they didn't.

 

it has plenty of bearing if you consider the work in question is focused upon the realm of Humanity for the most part, this isn't a game primarily focused in the Deep Roads or Dwarven Kingdoms or wandering bands of elves, its focused in the greatest empire of Humanity.

 

It doesn't have to be focused on the Deep Roads or the Dalish for the companions and advisers to have been created with more variety from the majority of Andrastian humans that were decided on.



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Good thing Maric cheated and used Mage Bane then, Makes it impossible for those Cursed Magic Users to focus on much.

 

 

Is that idiotic thing still canon?

 

Whatever cite, that trash if you wish.

 

People bash Stolen Throne, but i would rate it leagues above that.

 

Also wouldn't it be "Punny" Mortals 1 as well, considering a mage died in essence to a bunch of herbs and a hunk of metal.

 

Also ._. Punny Mortals brought down a Empire ran by Mages, so i would grant them far more then zero considering, the Punny Mortals completely obliterated the Imperium, its a shell that isn't even a tenth of it's former size.

 

 

The fact that Minrathous didn't fell to full scale Qunari invasion speaks volumes.

 

From codex: And yet the Imperium survives. Whether with sword or magic, Tevinter remains a force to be reckoned with. Minrathous has been besieged by men, by Qunari, by Andraste herself, and never fallen.

 

You have to imagine the disaster that the attackers faced in siege Minrathous that they fully gave up and never tried again. Also we both know Tevinter would have crushed them if it was not ravaged by a blight that lasted 250 years. Still in its weakest state in all of its history it was not fallen. I hate to break it to you but your precious Orlais cannot even deal with Ferelden as of now Ferelden holds Orlais' lands, rightfully conquered.



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Hmm what about the whole group of Templars, who train for years to counter mages, dying to a single spell. And by dying i mean exploding and mixing their flesh with melted silverite.

 

You know which story I speak of, right?

 

Magic 1 puny mortals 0

******.



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<_<

 

....it is not made by Seeker and the seekers (and maybe templats) that follow her?



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******.

 

Its a joke compared to mage finisher.



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I'm assuming some people have already turned this topic into a pro-mage vs anti-mage argument so I'm not even gonna read anymore. It was heading that direction before I stopped, at least.  :rolleyes:

 

It would have been cool if one of the advisors had happened to be a mage, but I'm fine with what we have now. We have 3 really cool mages as companions, and I'm interested in getting to know all of them.


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....it is not made by Seeker and the seekers (and maybe templats) that follow her?

 

Implying every Seeker or templar hates mages

 

 

Spoiler


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#142
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Awesome, thanks for the info on that. Didn't know if we would be restricted based on origin story of the Inquisitor or not.

 

No problem. I think it's pretty good news, too. Hopefully, the dialogue options for the racial backgrounds will represent their race; I think it would be great if the Dalish, Dwarven, and Vashoth backgrounds provided different cultural perspectives on the situations that are tackled by the player.



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Correct. The better the mage the better the shield. And a sword has a limit. 

 

I'd bet no mage could create as shield capable of stopping Vigilance.

 

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That's not my sentence, quote of developers.

 

Besides if chantry does not help Inquisition its pretty much game over and they can kiss the maker's arse from there. Its their last hope, chance, everything.

And what on Earth makes you think that the Inquisition will get ANYWHERE without the support of the most influential organization on Thedas? The Chantry will sort itself out eventually, but the Inquisition will never even get off its feet if it doesn't garner the support of the RIGHT organizations. Which means that catering to Dalish Elves and Apostates PROBABLY isn't going to be the best idea for the Inquisition.


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#145
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I'd bet no mage could create as shield capable of stopping Vigilance.

 

 

I bet there are some. 



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Its a joke compared to mage finisher.

Says you. Bunch of weak ice.

Besides, point is Corypheus is, by far, the most powerful mage in the setting yet.



#147
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In regards to having a mage as an advisor - while I do like the idea, I think the three pillars of the Inquisition do make sense as they are, and I'm going to echo other posters in this thread and say that I believe Morrigan will be our unofficial consultant for all things magic-related, as far as non-companions go.  Also, it is possible Dagna will be around, so maybe she can advise us in a scholastic capacity.  And, we have three mages as companions - each with their area of expertise.  And personally, I think they do us a lot more good on the field - where they can actually see the things we're dealing with and actually physically aid us.  

 

And, to those of you disappointed in the pro-Chantry/Andrastian slant of the Inquisition's leaders - well, the Inquisition itself is an organization conceptualized and put together by the Chantry. For those players who are pro-mage/anti-Chantry, and wish to play characters that are as well, well - yes, the Chantry-loyalists lead the organization, but - YOU are the one with the power.  And YOU are the one in control.  No, you can't dismiss your advisors, but remember they serve you.  And what better way to subvert the Chantry and all its ideals than to have a non-Andrastian be the one to save the world, making it clear all the while that they do not believe their so-called 'gift' had anything to do with the Maker? Bonus points if you play a mage, in my opinion.

 

Edit: changed 'Chantry-lovers' to 'loyalists' - probably a more accurate term. based on what we know


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#148
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Says you. Bunch of weak ice.

Besides, point is Corypheus is, by far, the most powerful mage in the setting yet.

 

Death Battle between Corypheus and the Architect :P 



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I bet there are some. 

Who?

Corypheus couldn't do it but his defense never went beyond Rock Armor.

The Architect had his arm sliced off by a normal sword.



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And what on Earth makes you think that the Inquisition will get ANYWHERE without the support of the most influential organization on Thedas? 

 

Because we are the bloody protagonist? Come on! We can just go and kill every single demon solo, without any organisations or party members! And get a nice achievement while we are at it.