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[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Ignoring the Ascension also leaves the Alliance fleet easily susceptible to a pincer attack from, you know, all those Geth ships that are still there. 

Sovereign could keep on sitting on the tower for another couple hundred years. At the time of the decision, Sovereign no longer has control of the Citadel and needs to get it back with zombie Saren. Which doesn't work out. 

It's just stupid to ignore that Geth fleet. 

[Willowhugger]

Ignoring the Ascension also leaves the Alliance fleet easily susceptible to a pincer attack from, you know, all those Geth ships that are still there. 

Sovereign could keep on sitting on the tower for another couple hundred years. At the time of the decision, Sovereign no longer has control of the Citadel and needs to get it back with zombie Saren. Which doesn't work out. 

It's just stupid to ignore that Geth fleet. 

 

Not if you see the chance to take out the Council and take it!

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Not if you see the chance to take out the Council and take it!

Which just kinda makes you guilty of treason and a bit racist. 

[Willowhugger]

Which just kinda makes you guilty of treason and a bit racist. 

 

Humanity needs a stronger council.

A human-led council!

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Humanity needs a stronger council.

A human-led council!

[Larry-3]

Weight them both in. Not the Council, but the ships in general. Is 8 frigates worth 1 dreadnought and in vice-versa? What kind of firepower does the dreadnought have? What kind of fire power does the frigates have? How would the frigates fair against Sovereign? How would a dreadnought? I suppose once you can answer that then you will know which choice is right for you.

 

You could also look at it as if roles are revered: how would you feel about the asari if it was an asari Specter trying to decide the fate of an important human military ship? What if she didn't save it? What if she did?

 

My choice is based on how I am making my Shepard. When he is molded after me then I save the Council. If it is default Shepard then I will just let them die. I wish there was a way that you could just save Tevos though. She is alright, but the turian councilor is just a bastard. I do not really have an opinion on the salairan counclier because he never does anything, he just always goes along with the other two.

[Probe Away]

Isn't this all a bit off track?  IIRC, the decision was about whether to risk losing some of the fleet prior to attacking Sovereign, or whether to take the safer option and ensure you had the full fleet to attack with, thereby increasing your chances of victory.

 

Not "Is the Council/crew worth losing human lives to save?"

[TheOneTrueBioticGod]

Isn't this all a bit off track?  IIRC, the decision was about whether to risk losing some of the fleet prior to attacking Sovereign, or whether to take the safer option and ensure you had the full fleet to attack with, thereby increasing your chances of victory.

 

Not "Is the Council/crew worth losing human lives to save?"

There are three options. Save the ascension, focus on Sovereign, and leave the Council to die. 

But I'd argue saving the Ascension is the safest option, and the one that saves the most lives. 

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

There is literally no reason not to save them, other than to be a jerk, considering the fact that the Fifth Fleet does enter the fight regardless. Just a few minutes later than if you save them.

[Reorte]

Overall saving the DA should be the most sensible thing to do tactically. The geth ships attacking it are all part of the same battle so once the DA is gone they'll come charging back to shoot at everyone else, they won't just ignore you because you're shooting at Sovereign. The more friendly ships you've got in the area the sooner the fewer you should lose (although perhaps it would work out that the Alliance should lose more and others proportionally less). The only reason for holding back is to strengthen the Alliance's hand relative to the other races.

I appreciate that the game doesn't reflect this (much, there's the DA war asset and the Alliance assets but as far as I'm aware no losses to the others make a difference in ME3).

[Farangbaa]

Humanity needs a stronger council.

A human-led council!

 

Which is so stupid. It's like Saudi Arabia watching Air Force 1 be taken out of the sky, one of them sitting down on a chair somewhere in the White House, who then proceeds to claim he's the new president of the USA and everybody in the US government goes:

 

"Oh, ok"

[Neverwinter_Knight77]

The renegade ending was humorously evil. Udina has his Palpatine moment, Shep is like "Yep, that's why I let them die," Anderson is like "What the?!", and Udina says "Don't act so surprised." lol

[Riven326]

To be fair, the only one I really disliked was the turian councilor. He was such an ******* and for no real reason other than he didn't get his way at the meeting and resents having a human in the Spectres. But for the moment itself when I had to make that decision, I sort of pictured myself in Shepard's shoes. It's easy for us to look at the event differently because we have a 3rd person view of the battle going on outside. But if you're Shepard and are going on very little information, you kinda have to go with your gut.

 

Joker does say that they can save the Ascension. He doesn't give you much information about what's actually happening outside the Citadel, which is kind of annoying, but he's confident that the ship can be saved with the help of the Arcturus fleet. So, you either trust him or you don't. This is assuming Shepard doesn't have an ulterior motive like taking advantage of the situation to get ahead politically.

[SwobyJ]

Which is so stupid. It's like Saudi Arabia watching Air Force 1 be taken out of the sky, one of them sitting down on a chair somewhere in the White House, who then proceeds to claim he's the new president of the USA and everybody in the US government goes:

 

"Oh, ok"

 

Eh, you'd have to add in Air Force 1 being taken out by some kind of experimental superpowered meganuclear airship.

 

Basically, you may have been the savior of the Citadel, but that was also a display of human power. You didn't just take down a spaceship - you took down the flagship of a fleet that is perhaps the first known (of this cycle) enemy force to ever breach the Citadel.. again, ever.

 

I think ME was right in saying there was resentment, but still an allowance for the Alliance/Shepard in this case. I'd have seen this been differently if this was even in the space outside the Citadel's arms.

[Obadiah]

The devs sort of weighted the decision by not having a cutscene of humans on starships dying while defending the Destiny Ascension.