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[themageguy]

Any flashy spells used?

[ladyofpayne]

Please more information.

[PillarBiter]

oooh, good stuff, excited for this book. 

 

I wonder if I'm going to have to actually kill off the grey wardens now because of their past in DAI

[Ihatebadgames]

Does it sound good enough to preorder the hard copy as well as the digital?(Already order the digital copy)

[Kidd]

Thanks for all the spoiler tags, everyone! I love being able to take part in a thread like this without having to be afraid of spoilers =)

BSN is the best.

I read the preview,
The one thing that irks me so far, the author makes certain Warden secrets like the Joining and the their tainted blood out to be common knowledge, which was certainly not the case in DAO.

Perhaps it was more common knowledge in that era. I've not read the preview (waiting to read it all at once ), but as long as it seems to be a known thing in the past and not in the present, I don't think it's necessarily a mistake.

Also, DAO seems inconsistent with the Joining information. The recruits (including the PC) obviously know nothing of it, yet Anora references it as if it was obvious, common knowledge during the Landsmeet. That always confused me.

[Ihatebadgames]

Wynne seems to know about it also.

[Eudaemonium]

Wynne seems to know about it also.

 

It's possible that the Wardens sometimes employ circle mages to assist in creating the Joining potion-thing, since it uses lyrium and is a form of blood magic. There are Warden mages obviously, but it's possible hat some knowledge of the Joining and what it entails is present within some echelons of the Circles (Mages and Templars both).

[Heimdall]

Thanks for all the spoiler tags, everyone! I love being able to take part in a thread like this without having to be afraid of spoilers =)
BSN is the best. Perhaps it was more common knowledge in that era. I've not read the preview (waiting to read it all at once ), but as long as it seems to be a known thing in the past and not in the present, I don't think it's necessarily a mistake.
Also, DAO seems inconsistent with the Joining information. The recruits (including the PC) obviously know nothing of it, yet Anora references it as if it was obvious, common knowledge during the Landsmeet. That always confused me.

No, this is in the framing narrative, in 9:41, the character, Valya, literally refers to it as common knowledge.

[andar91]

Yeah, I didn't notice it, but people have been commenting that the book breaks lore. There's a reference to Qunari that someone says is out of place, then the Joining stuff. But maybe there's something we're missing, I'm not sure.

 

Somebody else asked how good it was: I can only say read the preview and judge for yourself; you can limit yourself to the beginning parts of you don't want the ending thing (if that even shows up for you).

[Kidd]

No, this is in the framing narrative, in 9:41, the character, Valya, literally refers to it as common knowledge.

Terrible memories of Mass Effect Deception are resurfacing. Let's hope the lore breaks are minimal aside from that, and that Valya's foil isn't going to be breaking into her house to eat her grains.

[Ihatebadgames]

It may have been more common for people in power to have known about it. 400 years is a long time. Different segments if society have known different things for years.  Bet more sailors talked of Qunari and were laughed at in the taverns long before normal people saw one. Nothing I've heard breaks lore.

BW changes their mind a lot. Different sides of the story. Leliana dies or does she in DA:O?

[Heimdall]

It may have been more common for people in power to have known about it. 400 years is a long time. Different segments if society have known different things for years.  Bet more sailors talked of Qunari and were laughed at in the taverns long before normal people saw one. Nothing I've heard breaks lore.
BW changes their mind a lot. Different sides of the story. Leliana dies or does she in DA:O?

The bit about the Joining comes from the part of the story that occurs during the Dragon Age, shortly before Inquisition. The concern isn't about Bioware, the concern is that this outside author (Who is not an employee of Bioware or had any hand in the games) hasn't done her research. We've seen it before...

[dutch_gamer]

The bit about the Joining comes from the part of the story that occurs during the Dragon Age, shortly before Inquisition. The concern isn't about Bioware, the concern is that this outside author (Who is not an employee of Bioware or had any hand in the games) hasn't done her research. We've seen it before...

Bioware authors make mistakes all of the time. I don't think this is a matter of an outside author not doing proper research but something which can and should be blamed on Bioware for not fact checking their own lore. They even make huge mistakes in the DA games themselves and often have to resort to retcons which they could easily avoid if they planned better ahead or simply wouldn't make certain things possible, such as killing Leliana (I believe no companion should be able to be killed, just in case).

[Wulfram]

Warden lore may be more well known in the Anderfels

[Heimdall]

Bioware authors make mistakes all of the time. I don't think this is a matter of an outside author not doing proper research but something which can and should be blamed on Bioware for not fact checking their own lore. They even make huge mistakes in the DA games themselves and often have to resort to retcons which they could easily avoid if they planned better ahead or simply wouldn't make certain things possible, such as killing Leliana (I believe no companion should be able to be killed, just in case).

'mistakes' in terms of poor planning for the future are one thing. Lore errors due to neglect rather than gameplay necessity (Like Alistair's Templar abilities not requiring Lyrium) or conscious retcons (Like Leliana's survival) are another. Bioware authors make neglectful mistakes occasionally, but they're usually quite good with keeping their own lore in order.

I still remember Mass Effect: Deception, I know how awful it can get if an outside author doesn't understand the setting.

[Heimdall]

Warden lore may be more well known in the Anderfels

Valya's from Orlais, I think, only recently traveled to Weissaupt to get away from the war.

[Hellion Rex]

Valya's from Orlais, I think, only recently traveled to Weissaupt to get away from the war.

She's from the Anderfels Circle, so no.

[andar91]

She's from the Anderfels Circle, so no.

 

Yeah, I believe they are all from Hossberg.

 

 

@themageguy:

 

Flashy spells? Hmmmm, not a ton. I read about a spray of ice (so Cone of Cold), some hastily conjured lightning, and a spirit bolt.

[BioFan (Official)]

Okay, spoilers ahoy! I shall proceed in bulletin list format.

 

Spoiler

-Isseya, the mage sister of Gaharel, is a blood mage. The Warden Commander apparently keeps urging her to use her blood magic throughout the story,and she was somehow conflicted about it.

 

-Some manner of plague infected all of the griffins; the story clearly has a lot to do with their extinction.

 

-Isseya somehow used blood magic to pull the taint or plague (not sure if the same) out of some griffon eggs, and she hides them away somewhere. I take this as an implication that, somehow, the griffons could come back.

 

-She is getting her calling, along with a companion whose name I can't remember.

 

I might check back tomorrow and see if I missed anything.

 

 

 

Where the **** was that in the Amazon stuff? O_O I read it, and didn't see ANY of that... 



Did they expand it or something? 

[Hellion Rex]

Where the **** was that in the Amazon stuff? O_O I read it, and didn't see ANY of that...



Did they expand it or something?

The previews can be different for everyone. Not everyone reads the same portions

[BioFan (Official)]

The previews can be different for everyone. Not everyone reads the same portions

 

 

Oh that's just not fare... I didn't get anything juicy...

[PsychoBlonde]

Anyone remember back in the olden days of yore when we all saw the last page of The Calling through amazon's look inside feature? Good times.

 

And it totes gave away Alistair's background.  Good times.

[drummerchick]

@DA Fan: Try signing out and back in a few times. I only had up to p76 available at first, then I made it to 267.  


I didn't get all the juicy bits Andar did, but...

Spoiler

...it sounds like whatever plague the griffons had was Isseya's and Calien's fault. I'm paraphrasing from memory here: they said something about performing the Joining on the griffons at Fortress Haine, they knew blood magic requires sacrifice, but didn't know that the price would be so high.

Can't wait to get my physical copy! 

[Chari]

Yeah, I didn't notice it, but people have been commenting that the book breaks lore. There's a reference to Qunari that someone says is out of place, then the Joining stuff. But maybe there's something we're missing, I'm not sure.

Somebody else asked how good it was: I can only say read the preview and judge for yourself; you can limit yourself to the beginning parts of you don't want the ending thing (if that even shows up for you).

Well, somehow the qunari know about Calenhad's uprising to power in such details that even the fereldians have no idea tho he lived about a century earlier than they appeared in Thedas (according to comic book)
Either there is something we don't know about them or the lore is very inconsistent

[andar91]

Oh that's just not fare... I didn't get anything juicy...

 

All I know is that I get to page 70-something (I think it's around there), and I rocket forward to the 200's.

 

It may seem juicy, but I should probably make another disclaimer and say that I'm piecing together info from incomplete chapters, so it's possible I misunderstood something, but I THINK I'm right on those spoiler bullet points.