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The JRPG and visual novel thread.

Débuté par Liamv2 , août 07 2014 05:38

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#1976
Clover Rider

Posté 11 août 2015 - 11:21

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Just to refresh my memory, Zero Escape 3 is a real thing, right?

It is.

Will have voice acting and everything!

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#1977
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 11 août 2015 - 11:23

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That's good. I will need it in a few hours.

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#1978
Clover Rider

Posté 11 août 2015 - 11:29

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Well I need it now.

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#1979
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 12 août 2015 - 02:44

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Haha.

"Lagomorph, this is an order"

Taxonomy humor.

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#1980
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 12 août 2015 - 06:43

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So VLR ended.

Spoiler

Good game, go play it.

Especially if you liked 999. Obviously. I mean, you have to play 999 to play this one anyway, really.

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#1981
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 13 août 2015 - 07:37

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I just read Q24 of the Q&A.

WHY EVEN BOTHER THEN

Q23 is also kind of depressing.

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#1982
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 13 août 2015 - 07:20

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I hope it has skinshipping at least. Just like that Clover flash game! Yeah.

No.

Why.

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#1983
Puzzlewell

Posté 13 août 2015 - 07:25

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I have some catching up to do but I'll say this quick before I head into work.

Since you've cleared VLR Puddi, you can read this:

Spoiler

I'll catch up more on my lunch break later.

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#1984
Clover Rider

Posté 15 août 2015 - 09:18

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I hope it has skinshipping at least.

Me too.

It's the future of video games.

Even tho it's already here in the present.

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#1985
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 15 août 2015 - 06:10

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Apparently there's a bunch of extra funny dialog only on Easy mode.

Shouldn't it be the other way around?

I feel robbed.

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#1986
Clover Rider

Posté 15 août 2015 - 10:03

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Play it again then.

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#1987
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 15 août 2015 - 10:04

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On Easy mode? Never.

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#1988
Liamv2

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:20

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So Majikoi...... What the **** am I playing?

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#1989
CrazyRah

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:23

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Something amazing

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#1990
Zeroth Angel

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:24

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So Majikoi...... What the **** am I playing?

What brings up that question ?

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#1991
Liamv2

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:27

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What brings up that question ?

There is a threesome option. There was also that kinda rapey bit earlier that creeped me the hell out.

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#1992
Zeroth Angel

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:30

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There is a threesome option. There was also that kinda rapey bit earlier that creeped me the hell out.

It's fine. Chris totally wanted it.

You don't have to take the threesome option and don't worry Momoyo, Wanko and Mayucchi's routes are way better than what you're reading right now.

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#1993
CrazyRah

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:33

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Yeah Chris route is.. problematic and not at all like the others that manage to be eccentric in far better ways

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#1994
Liamv2

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:33

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It's fine. Chris totally wanted it.

You don't have to take the threesome option and don't worry Momoyo, Wanko and Mayucchi's routes are way better than what you're reading right now.

True but still it was kinda creepy and felt kinda out of place.

I know. I didn't choose it. You mentioned as much. Chris doesn't have a bad route persay it's just kinda unfocused and odd at times.

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#1995
Zeroth Angel

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:40

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True but still it was kinda creepy and felt kinda out of place.

I know. I didn't choose it. You mentioned as much. Chris doesn't have a bad route persay it's just kinda unfocused and odd at times.

If you're going to read Majikoi S just use the skip button the whole time when you're reading Margrit's route. I mean it's already a bad route but you probably wouldn't even like what happened it.

I know I already said it but I just want you to know it gets a lot better in the other routes .

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#1996
CrazyRah

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:43

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If you're going to read Majikoi S just use the skip button the whole time when you're reading Margrit's route. I mean it's already a bad route but you probably wouldn't even like what happened it.

I know I already said it but I just want you to know it gets a lot better in the other routes .

"Bad" is probably even too good for that route. Abysmal waste of time at best but something that had to be speed through to get the unlockable stuff.

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#1997
Zeroth Angel

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:52

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"Bad" is probably even too good for that route. Abysmal waste of time at best but something that had to be speed through to get the unlockable stuff.

Oh yes I really don't know what Minatosoft was thinking when they were writing that route.

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#1998
Liamv2

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:52

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If you're going to read Majikoi S just use the skip button the whole time when you're reading Margrit's route. I mean it's already a bad route but you probably wouldn't even like what happened it.

I know I already said it but I just want you to know it gets a lot better in the other routes .

Right got it.

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#1999
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 18 août 2015 - 01:20

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A while ago I copied a comment on youtube (of all places) that I felt summed up my feelings about 999 and VLR succinctly, and now I feel like elaborating on it a little.

Of course, spoilers for both games.

Spoiler

I felt like 999's story was much more emotional and captivating. But what this game lacks for in story it makes up in the complexity and quality of the many choices, possible outcomes, and creativity of the event sequences.

I think he's right that 999 has a big edge when it comes to its emotional depth. I just think back to the safe ending (Snake, man), true ending (Akaneeee), hell even the sub ending (that was the one where she dies in Jumpy's arms, right?). There's also the Clover ending and how that adds color to the safe ending and true ending for her own arc.

In VLR, there's really only the Luna ending that reaches the same heights as those. Tenten's ending is pretty nice, but ultimately it's just a letter and then that's it. Doesn't have the same payoff IMO. The Sigma ending has some feels to it, but I roll that into Luna's arc too. As for the true ending, well, the big reveal is basically that this whole game was preparation for the main event, ZE3. It's not that I don't appreciate it doing what it needs to do to convey that and still be a proper ending, but deferring the real potential emotional payoff to the future does make it fizzle out IMO. All that's left, as a result, is explaining how the time travel hocus pocus is going to work and the ethics of such a hypothetical thing, rather than a real relatable human thing (saving this girl with whom Junpei has such a deep connection). The references to that during the VLR true ending kinda rub salt in the wound, actually.

I read in the Q&A that Uchikoshi would have preferred to write VLR with a darker mood more akin to 999, but executives felt that 999 was too scary for their Japanese audience and so they had him tone down the next installment. Now, it's not like I take 'moar darkness = better' as a rule or anything dumb like that, but I do get the feeling that it may have been better if he was simply able to write what he wanted to write. I don't know if that would have made the ending of VLR independently any better or not. I do appreciate the higher balance of sci fi vs occult themes, though, since that gave us such a great human representation of an AI in Luna as opposed to all the dangerous overlords waiting to happen that we so often get.

In any case, I'm hoping I'll have a better feeling about it all when taken as part of the whole trilogy, and that I'll be able to say that the "deferment" was, in fact, worth it. And going back to what the user I quoted was saying, VLR does have other things going for it. Gameplay wise I think it is an improvement, and the way the gameplay is worked into the narrative with all the branching choices is great. Sigma's frustratingly arbitrary and unreliable memory did annoy me at times until the true ending, but I suppose that was all part of the plan or some such.

Still, sinking my Phi ship before the third game even hits is totally not cool, man. I mean, yeah, they imply a thing with "Diana"... but I don't know this stranger "Diana." Sure she's the basis for Luna, but that doesn't mean she's Luna.

And a Sigma who is too stupid to appreciate how great Phi is (which tbh, we can already see is true in VLR) is a Sigma I don't want to play anymore tbh. Well, maybe not a full "tbh." Maybe (1/2)tbh.

Though I'm not sure whether we actually will be playing him anymore, so there is still hope. Or (1/2)hope.

Of course I'm a bit of a hypocrite, since if anyone noticed for this or anything else I "review," character or theme analysis is usually pretty sparse or just absent. Admittedly I'm not the best at it, because tbh if I were to start to go into stuff like the loneliness or regret or trust or devotion or humanity of a character, or allusions behind the character (I really liked the bluebird and 'tu fui, ego eris' though, just saying), or how they relate to other characters or overarching themes of the game on the whole, I really just wouldn't know where to begin with all of that. And I think I'll just sound dumb if I try. :/

So it's easier to talk about my general feelings about the narrative, the use of certain tropes, speculation about all the mysteries, or comparison between one game and another.

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#2000
Isichar

Posté 18 août 2015 - 01:25

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I feel bad... Puddi is writing so much goodness on 999 and VLR and I'm all hurdur and not responding to it properly

Isi fail

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#1976 Clover Rider Posté 11 août 2015 - 11:21

#1977 Guest_Puddi III_* Posté 11 août 2015 - 11:23

#1978 Clover Rider Posté 11 août 2015 - 11:29

#1979 Guest_Puddi III_* Posté 12 août 2015 - 02:44

#1980 Guest_Puddi III_* Posté 12 août 2015 - 06:43

#1981 Guest_Puddi III_* Posté 13 août 2015 - 07:37

#1982 Guest_Puddi III_* Posté 13 août 2015 - 07:20

#1983 Puzzlewell Posté 13 août 2015 - 07:25

#1984 Clover Rider Posté 15 août 2015 - 09:18

#1985 Guest_Puddi III_* Posté 15 août 2015 - 06:10

#1986 Clover Rider Posté 15 août 2015 - 10:03

#1987 Guest_Puddi III_* Posté 15 août 2015 - 10:04

#1988 Liamv2 Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:20

#1989 CrazyRah Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:23

#1990 Zeroth Angel Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:24

#1991 Liamv2 Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:27

#1992 Zeroth Angel Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:30

#1993 CrazyRah Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:33

#1994 Liamv2 Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:33

#1995 Zeroth Angel Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:40

#1996 CrazyRah Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:43

#1997 Zeroth Angel Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:52

#1998 Liamv2 Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:52

#1999 Guest_Puddi III_* Posté 18 août 2015 - 01:20

#2000 Isichar Posté 18 août 2015 - 01:25

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#1976
Clover Rider

Posté 11 août 2015 - 11:21

#1977
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 11 août 2015 - 11:23

#1978
Clover Rider

Posté 11 août 2015 - 11:29

#1979
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 12 août 2015 - 02:44

#1980
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 12 août 2015 - 06:43

#1981
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 13 août 2015 - 07:37

#1982
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 13 août 2015 - 07:20

#1983
Puzzlewell

Posté 13 août 2015 - 07:25

#1984
Clover Rider

Posté 15 août 2015 - 09:18

#1985
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 15 août 2015 - 06:10

#1986
Clover Rider

Posté 15 août 2015 - 10:03

#1987
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 15 août 2015 - 10:04

#1988
Liamv2

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:20

#1989
CrazyRah

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:23

#1990
Zeroth Angel

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:24

#1991
Liamv2

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:27

#1992
Zeroth Angel

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:30

#1993
CrazyRah

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:33

#1994
Liamv2

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:33

#1995
Zeroth Angel

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:40

#1996
CrazyRah

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:43

#1997
Zeroth Angel

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:52

#1998
Liamv2

Posté 17 août 2015 - 08:52

#1999
Guest_Puddi III_*

Posté 18 août 2015 - 01:20

#2000
Isichar

Posté 18 août 2015 - 01:25