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[TheMadHarridan]

I'm currently doing a runthrough of DAO through DA2 to use as my "canon" import for my first playthrough of Inquisition. I'm trying to decide if I should kill Anders or let him live. I've both skewered him and spared him with other characters, but for this Hawke I want to do what will have the most impact in DAI. And I will NOT be romancing him with this Hawke, so that's not a factor in my decision.

 

Does anyone know if Anders is going to make an appearance in DAI? Or perhaps Sebastian will? Will he bring the Starkhaven army to hunt down Anders if I spare him? And I wonder if I do choose to go pro-Templar instead of pro-Mage (haven't decided yet) and I spare Anders and make him help the Templars, will he commit suicide after the final battle in DA2 like he alludes to?

[Elhanan]

Players will likely not be able to import Saves for DAI; will be able to re-create key decisions via The Keep; a DAI site.

But as far as that decision, in all but one session I kill Anders; the exception was because I was unable to progress as I had become dependent on his abilities.

[TheMadHarridan]

I know about the Keep. I am just playing so that I have a "canon" set of decisions that I will input into the Keep for my first DAI playthrough. Then I'll mix it up like crazy.

 

My biggest question is will Anders (or Sebastian) show up in Inquisition? If so, I'll spare him just to see his role. If not, I'll happily skewer him.

[Elhanan]

Dunno, but if Anders is included in DAI, does one really want to see him? Same goes for Sebastian, I guess.

Personally, Anders deserves to be released from life joined with a Spirit, and I would much rather see Sebastian as a Prince or Cleric.

[Jukaga]

I can't ever see sparing him with any of my Hawkes. My only problem is killing him with that letter opener, I would have preferred cleaving his head from his shoulders.

[thats1evildude]

We have no idea if Anders or Sebastian will appear in Inquisition.

[SofaJockey]

I too just did my DA2 head canon play through for DAI.
For the first time I skewered Anders which I could only justify having refused to trust to his undisclosed Chantry request.
It is tragic but it also makes sense - more sense than saying go away.
The Champion has killed hundreds of assorted thugs.
How could they justify overlooking what is essentially a terrorist act and a personal betrayal.

[Jukaga]

I too just did my DA2 head canon play through for DAI.
For the first time I skewered Anders which I could only justify having refused to trust to his undisclosed Chantry request.
It is tragic but it also makes sense - more sense than saying go away.
The Champion has killed hundreds of assorted thugs.
How could they justify overlooking what is essentially a terrorist act and a personal betrayal.

Exactly. My Hawke was pro-mage, but what Ander's did and how he went about doing it were both inexcusable crimes and personal betrayals. He gets off too easy for what he did.

[congokong]

If you're asking if killing Anders is right then posters here can contribute, but only you can decide what your Hawke would do.

 

 

Exactly. My Hawke was pro-mage, but what Ander's did and how he went about doing it were both inexcusable crimes and personal betrayals. He gets off too easy for what he did.

 

Although the Grand Cleric is the only one mentioned, presumably many died in the Chantry. This makes what Anders did pretty much terrorism and thus you'd be defending a terrorist by sparing him.

 

But I'm wondering, if it was just the Grand Cleric that was killed would that change your view on Anders? Her greatest crime was doing nothing despite being in the position to change things. And by doing nothing, she was indirectly supporting the increased templar domination over mages.

 

What complicates the situation more is that the Circle dilemma is not black/white despite how Anders sees it. From what we see in-game locking mages up has a lot of justification. Best example: Look what happens to Redcliffe when Connor practices magic outside the safety of the Circle. Abominations destroying villages is apparently not an exaggeration, and is what happens if the warden doesn't help.

[Lulupab]

Story-wise I think if he by any chance appears in DA:I, sparing him will have much more interesting results than killing him.

 

And on the topic of who died in chantry, it depends on what you think and see it. The scenes that game shows you only has the grand cleric and bunch of Templars in them and no one else, also it happens at night so i shouldn't be populated much. The explosion is also in the sky, dealing minimal damage to other buildings.

 

Anders himself never questioned that what he did was wrong. He fully acknowledges that his actions were murder, and were morally contemptible, and that justice was required of him for what he did, this act makes him much less of a hypocrite. What he understood is that it wasn't about right or wrong, it was about necessity. He believed that the system of imprisoning mages within Circles, under the watch of the Chantry's templars, was wrong, and would accept nothing less overthrowing this system. And with that, he understood that unless someone was willing to take drastic measures, then nothing ever would change, circles have been around for almost a thousand year and it is enough time and chance to wait to see acceptable changes, they never happened. He knew that the templars would rise against mages everywhere for his action, and that therefore all the mages locked within Circle towers would be forced to rise up against the templars in order to save themselves. By his actions, no mages would be able to take, say, Wynne's position that the templars and Circles are necessary, except for those mages who hated their own magic and wanted to embrace imprisonment or even suicide. They would have to either submit to templar tyranny, or fight to save their own lives. By extension, he removed the fake notion of peace (the grand cleric). Therefore he removed any stalemate--"there can be no compromise"--in the name of ending an indisputably broken system that served no one.

 

Also I'd like to point out that people like me who live in free countries should realize that we didn't become free with rainbows and chatter, our ancestors murdered, ravaged and looted so that we could have this life. So don't be so black/white when judging people like Anders, you need more shade of grey, a lot more. 

[Darkly Tranquil]

I'm firmly in the "Loghain dies at the Landsmeet" camp, so I feel that consistency demands Anders also be punished for his misdeeds.
That said, I still side with the mages because they should not be punished for Anders' actions.

[CrazyGobstopper]

Two of my three Hawkes killed Anders.

 

Alec did it reluctantly, feeling that Anders had left him with no other choice. He had liked and respected Anders and considered him a friend. He sympathized with the plight of mages that were targeted for the misdeeds of others. He sided with the Kirkwall Circle against Meredith's paranoia, but recognized that Anders had to face justice for his murders in blowing up the Chantry.

 

Marian had few qualms about killing Anders, as she had been only pro-Templar throughout most of her time in Kirkwall. She understood that not all mages would resort to blood magic or were otherwise bad people, but had encountered so many bad mages that she strongly believed a Templar-policed Circle was the only option. She would've been willing to support reforms in the way that some Templars would abuse their authority over mages, and so she sided with the Templars against the mages and accepted the position of Viscount - first and foremost for her own ambition, but also because she knew she could be a force for change in Kirkwall.

 

Valerie was the only one of my Hawkes that did not kill Anders. She was a mage and ardently in favor of mage freedom. She believed that a mage rebellion was inevitable, but was conflicted because she knew countless innocents would die in any war between mages and the Chantry. She would never have intentionally aided or condoned Anders' decision to destroy the Chantry and kill anyone within at the time of the explosion, but was practical enough to know that it didn't matter once the action was already finished. She didn't believe that Anders was entirely culpable for his actions, due to the spirit with which he shared his body. She stood defiantly with the Kirkwall mages against the Templars, resigning herself to the expectation that she, her lover Anders, and her other companions were likely fighting the first battle in that inevitable rebellion.

[Lavaeolus]

If Anders is dead, Justice could theoretically return without him, which might be of interest. That's no guarantee, of course, and it's more likely that Anders will return if alive. Since you don't kill Sebastian, there's also no major reason why he shouldn't turn up if he left (it's not like he'll be holding a grudge against the Inquisitor, after all). The Starkhaven thing may or may not pay off, but I don't expect massive changes from a character who is essentially DLC. May get a comment like "A prince named Sebastian has been rallying an uprising in Starkhaven" or something, hopefully.

 

I would therefore assume the most interesting outcome, the most likely to lead him to have some sort of effect, would be if you spared him. That's still no promise he'll turn up, however, so don't anticipate him too highly or fret over the choice too much.

[congokong]

I know one person who almost certainly died in that Chantry was Petrice in my playthrough. It looks like she dies no matter what you do.

[sylvanaerie]

Since the option is there to kill him, or spare him, I believe it will be like Alistair's cameo.  Something brief, non plot affecting and maybe a few lines if you encounter a live Anders.  Similarly I believe the Inquisitor may hear of Sebastian if he has gone back to Starkhaven to take back his family's throne.  

Overall, their impact will be small considering one may be dead and the other was optional to begin with.  I wouldn't worry overmuch.  Play your game, enjoy it and see if that feels the most 'right' to you.  I've played Origins so many times (on the same character with different choices just to see other parts of the game) and DA2 the same, I plan on just inputting whatever world state i want with "Keep" since I technically don't have canon choices, just canon PCs (SH/AW Surana, DW Rogue Assassin Kit Hawke).  As long as I can input romances and major choices I want, it's all good 

[gottaloveme]

At first my Hawke's were blthely in love with Anders and then it all went west. I played Awakenings. So, my rescuer Hawkes are no more. I don't like to romance Anders and I have killed him once, but I didn't like it. That last scene of life leaving his eyes ...(sigh. . .wipe a tear)

[Dabrikishaw]

I spare him on all but my anti-mage Hawkes.

[teh DRUMPf!!]

Does anyone know if Anders is going to make an appearance in DAI? Or perhaps Sebastian will? Will he bring the Starkhaven army to hunt down Anders if I spare him?

 

Wait, what? You want to endure even more of that guy in DA:I??

[TheMadHarridan]

Wait, what? You want to endure even more of that guy in DA:I??

 

LOL! It's hard to explain. I don't like Anders, but if he has a cameo in DAI, I want to see it. If any of the characters I don't like from DAO and DA2 show up in DAI, I want to see their cameos. I can't help it. I'm a glutton for punishment. 

[Lulupab]

LOL! It's hard to explain. I don't like Anders, but if he has a cameo in DAI, I want to see it. If any of the characters I don't like from DAO and DA2 show up in DAI, I want to see their cameos. I can't help it. I'm a glutton for punishment. 

Well I can only say this, IF they decide to have cameo's from DA2 Anders (if alive) has higher chance to appear because of the role he played. In other words he and Varric are the only companions from DA2 who are directly related to Inquisition.

[Ruairi46]

I know one person who almost certainly died in that Chantry was Petrice in my playthrough. It looks like she dies no matter what you do.

Nope, because you talk to her outside the chantry in act 3 if she lived as she has been relived of her rank (Forget correct term), so shes not in the chantry at the time of explosion. 

[Riven326]

Aside from hating what the writers did to his character post-Awakening, I usually kill him because of what he does near the end of the game. He essentially becomes a terrorist.

[Jaison1986]

LOL! It's hard to explain. I don't like Anders, but if he has a cameo in DAI, I want to see it. If any of the characters I don't like from DAO and DA2 show up in DAI, I want to see their cameos. I can't help it. I'm a glutton for punishment. 

 

I know that feel. I honestly don't know wich ending serves best for Anders. In one side, sparing could lead to something good in Inquisition, were he tries to redeem himself. While on the other side, I'm not sure if he should be allowed to get away with what he did.

[sylvanaerie]

I know that feel. I honestly don't know wich ending serves best for Anders. In one side, sparing could lead to something good in Inquisition, were he tries to redeem himself. While on the other side, I'm not sure if he should be allowed to get away with what he did.

He never has made it out alive in my playthroughs.  Those of my Hawkes who feel compassion for him kill him as a 'mercy killing'.  Can't be fun living dangling at the end of a demon's puppet strings.

 

One of my Hawkes actually hated him, seeing in him all that Malcolm warned Bethany to be careful of.  Had the option been available in Act 1 as soon as he admits to being an abomination, Gawain would have shoved his sword right into him then and there.

[Sir DeLoria]

If he appears again in DA:I, his head will be put on the highest pole in Val Royeaux.