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[Genevere Amell]

For my Hawkes that romanced him, it's never really been about right/wrong.  They just can't see killing someone who they promised to love "till the day I die."  They would all like to get rid of Justice, however.

[congokong]

Nope, because you talk to her outside the chantry in act 3 if she lived as she has been relived of her rank (Forget correct term), so shes not in the chantry at the time of explosion. 

Nope. At the end of Act 2 if you side with her she's outside the Chantry and mentions being demoted, but in Act 3 she's in the Chantry.

[Ruairi46]

Nope. At the end of Act 2 if you side with her she's outside the Chantry and mentions being demoted, but in Act 3 she's in the Chantry.

If this is true then I feel like she may have "survived" just to make a possible interesting cameo in future content.

[congokong]

Aside from hating what the writers did to his character post-Awakening, I usually kill him because of what he does near the end of the game. He essentially becomes a terrorist.

It reminds me of people who blow up abortion clinics. These types of people see a grey situation as black/white and respond using "ends justify the means" measures.

 

The Chantry is the HQ of mage oppression in a sense, but indirectly. It's the templars that actually oppress the mages so killing Chantry priests doesn't accomplish much. I have less sympathy for the Grand Cleric from Anders position because she has strong authority and yet lets Meredith and the templars treat mages worse and worse. Even if the Circle is necessary, treating all the mages like prisoners probably isn't. They also violate their own laws like making mages who have passed their Harrowing tranquil. Her inaction is a crime in a sense.

 

One reason I have little sympathy for Anders was how stupid his plan was even if mage oppression had been black/white. It miraculously worked out but if Meredith had not been a psychopath adamant on slaughtering all the mages then blowing up the Chantry, besides killing a lot of innocent people, would only worsen the situation for mages. If Meredith had any wits she would have accepted Orsino's surrender or not tried to annul the Circle in the first place. Rather she could have used Anders as an example of justification for her ruthlessness.

[congokong]

If this is true then I feel like she may have "survived" just to make a possible interesting cameo in future content.

No one ever just admits they were wrong on the internet. Considering she's in the Chantry all of Act 3 it's assumed she's dead.

[KaiserShep]

In the end, whether or not I have sympathy for Anders doesn't matter. He's basically an abomination that can lose control over himself at any time, in any place, and may very well strike down innocent people just for being told something that may find offensive. It was just never quite certain just how far he'd go to appease the parasitic vengeance side of himself.

 

One reason I have little sympathy for Anders was how stupid his plan was even if mage oppression had been black/white. It miraculously worked out but if Meredith had not been a psychopath adamant on slaughtering all the mages then blowing up the Chantry, besides killing a lot of innocent people, would only worsen the situation for mages. If Meredith had any wits she would have accepted Orsino's surrender or not tried to annul the Circle in the first place. Rather she could have used Anders as an example of justification for her ruthlessness.

 

While I think that this is true, I also think that an uprising was inevitable; it was just a matter of when. The way the Templars were running both the city and the Circle was not something I felt was sustainable long-term. If it wasn't Anders that started the breakdown of the system, an entire group would probably have done so in the end. Mages elsewhere were already expressing their interest in breaking away from the Chantry entirely. That idea wasn't going to go away.

[themikefest]

Kill him. To bad we couldn't have a public beheading in the middle of Hightown.

[congokong]

While I think that this is true, I also think that an uprising was inevitable; it was just a matter of when. The way the Templars were running both the city and the Circle was not something I felt was sustainable long-term. If it wasn't Anders that started the breakdown of the system, an entire group would probably have done so in the end. Mages elsewhere were already expressing their interest in breaking away from the Chantry entirely. That idea wasn't going to go away.

 

"LIke any mage with a brain couldn't think 'let's rebel'."

 

I assume mages have wanted to break free of the Chantry's oppression since it began. Anders' wild plan being the catalyst for this was somewhat miraculous. Something was going to happen in Kirkwall regardless; not necessarily a complete collapse of the Circle but some change to address the tyranny. The way this incident coincides with all Circles collapsing (without explaining how) is rather ...convenient... for DA:I's plot.

[KaiserShep]

A quick and easy route would have been an arrow between Meredith's eyes. Cutting the head off the snake and all that. Of course, this would have also provided her a hearty dose of martyrdom, but at least arrows ain't magical.

[gottaloveme]

I'd be in on that.

 

I just played my first Pro-templar game and it was sooo hard. Being viscount may be a better choice for all concerned rather than simply disappearing. But can you imagine if you are the viscount and let Anders live? 

[Elite Midget]

I say skewer him, Anders cannot control the spirit anymore and what he did lead to a lot of death and war breaking out. The Grand Cleric was also innocent in all of the bickering between Meredith and Orsino, she didn't deserve to die.

 

 

I'd be in on that.

 

I just played my first Pro-templar game and it was sooo hard. Being viscount may be a better choice for all concerned rather than simply disappearing. But can you imagine if you are the viscount and let Anders live? 

You can be Anti-Templar and Pro-Mage all game and the Templars still love you if you side with them after Anders bombs the Chantry. Cullen's way of thinking can be changed somewhat if you're Pro-Mage and tell him that the Order needs changes over the Acts.

[Elista]

I'm pretty sure that Anders, if he's alive after DA2, will still be fighting for the freedom of the mages. And the war mages/templars is part of DAI's context. So, even if we have no info about it, it's very possible we see him, at least, in the game. But I don't think he will have a great role. I'd rather keep him alive, to see more of his story. I spared him anyway and disappeared with him, playing a pro-mage supporting his choices and in love with him ^^

I really would like to see his evolution... it seems to me that he is finally "in peace" and more lucid at the end of my playthrough, accepting his new self : neither Anders, neither Justice, but a person born of their entanglement, and ready to fight for his values, whatever the cost. Besides, he has a special connection with the Fade. That may lead to something interesting.... or not

[Elite Midget]

On the other hand, Sebastian may play a bigger cameo role if Anders is killed as he could devote his forces to the Veil issues instead of hunting down Anders and planning to torch Kirkwall to spite Hawke.

[Lulupab]

Kirkwall is already lost, also thinking back on the game Sebastian is really incapable of doing such a thing. Not only he is very childish, he does nothing on his own in the game, he always asks for Hawke's help even when making decisions that only he should make. Free Marches is really very weak atm, not just Starkhaven. I wouldn't hope too much.

[HTTP 404]

I would spare him but be very cross with him.  I am curious what becomes of him in DAI

[Willowhugger]

I think it depends very much so on Sebastian and his presence in the party.

 

Before I downloaded Sebastian's DLC, I usually spared Anders. Now you might argue this is because of meta-gaming and knowing he's a Prince who will threaten Kirkwall thereafter but, actually, it's more an emotional thing. Sebastian, for me, provides a "face" to the victims of Anders and his actions in a much better way than Grand Cleric Elthina ever does.

 

Elthina was a terrible Grand Cleric.

 

She also let things get way-way out of hand and possibly overlooked Petrice's crimes against the Qunari.

 

I'm almost okay with her death since I don't know how many/if any other people died in the church.

 

However, it's not until I've spent some time with Sebastian that I realize how personally DEVASTATING this action is to some people. Sebastian was never as close to my Hawke as Anders. Anders was his closest friend in the world and someone he loved as a brother. Sebastian, by contrast, was kind of my Hawke's Carver substitute. The kid brother he could irritate and annoy while Carver was off in Grey Warden-land.

 

Yet, my Hawke ended up stabbing Anders because Sebastain was looking at him.

Sebastian, basically asking, "Are you the decent person I thought you were? Because this man just killed my MOTHER."

 

The fact Anders wants to die also tipped my hat there.

[Dabrikishaw]

I normally spare him and the rest of my mages(pro-mage or uncaring) unless I strictly play pro-Templar. Depending on what happens in the 3rd game, I can easily decide that killing him is better closure for him. Just like killing Merril and Bethany would bring closure to their plots.

[Gyrefalcon]

I like Anders character and would really like to see him have to live to face the mess he unleashed.  DA2 didn't allow much room for non-crazy mages although the templars fared little better.  I think only Cullen got to survive from the decent ones introduced (athough DA in general is about as healthy a world to be in as GRRM's A Song of Ice and Fire series).

I'm more impressed that the developers took a shot at allowing an NPC to change the game's direction without allowing the PC to have input.  I really wonder if having the active choice to plant the bomb or not would have changed the feel of the game.  It was interesting. 

In answer:  I spare Anders in all of my playthroughs except one.  If you really look at the story, Hawke is one damaged individual.  You can see it in the choices of love interests (all messed up people), the ones that are more sane are not into Hawke.  Then Hawke goes from collecting moldy scarves and cracked rose quartz to hock to feed the family to still doing it after becoming a rich noble.  Can you imagine how the other nobles must have seen their "savior" digging around in rain barrels and dirt piles for discarded trousers and broken bows to sell?  Yeah, it's hard to call the kettle black when you realize what a pot Hawke is.  Death and mayhem on such a high scale you wonder why the Free Marches still have any kind of population. 

[DeathByIcecream]

I like Anders character and would really like to see him have to live to face the mess he unleashed.  DA2 didn't allow much room for non-crazy mages although the templars fared little better.  I think only Cullen got to survive from the decent ones introduced (athough DA in general is about as healthy a world to be in as GRRM's A Song of Ice and Fire series).

I'm more impressed that the developers took a shot at allowing an NPC to change the game's direction without allowing the PC to have input.  I really wonder if having the active choice to plant the bomb or not would have changed the feel of the game.  It was interesting. 

In answer:  I spare Anders in all of my playthroughs except one.  If you really look at the story, Hawke is one damaged individual.  You can see it in the choices of love interests (all messed up people), the ones that are more sane are not into Hawke.  Then Hawke goes from collecting moldy scarves and cracked rose quartz to hock to feed the family to still doing it after becoming a rich noble.  Can you imagine how the other nobles must have seen their "savior" digging around in rain barrels and dirt piles for discarded trousers and broken bows to sell?  Yeah, it's hard to call the kettle black when you realize what a pot Hawke is.  Death and mayhem on such a high scale you wonder why the Free Marches still have any kind of population. 

 

...You're joking, right? Please tell me you're joking.

[ShadowLordXII]

Doesn't matter.

 

Anders already got what he wanted either way and it's a no-win scenario:

 

Kill Anders and you make him a martyr in a war that he's forced on everyone. You also spare him from seeing just how much pain that he's caused.

 

Spare Anders and Sebastian will unleash Starkhaven onto Kirkwall, not to mention that Anders will just do more damage down the line.

[TEWR]

Burn the witch!

[SpiritMuse]

I've no idea if he'll return in any capacity. But I always like, for my "canon" playthroughs, to leave as many people alive as possible, just in case. Because I'm always curious to see these things, to leave as many connections as possible.

That said, I did delete Sebastian from my game after two playthroughs, because I just find him too disruptive in the endgame, his added scenes make the whole thing feel oddly disjointed. Though I suppose when I run my stuff through the Keep I'll add him back in.

[GodBrandon]

This shouldn't even be a question, bruh blew up a chantry lmfao

[Ashevajak]

For my first playthrough of DA:I, I'm using a game where I've spared Anders. Mainly because I think this is the more interesting option, if indeed he does make an appearance again.

 

I used pretty much the same reasoning for putting Bhelen on the throne in DA:O.

 

In game, my characters had their own justifications, which more or less made sense (Hawke couldn't bring herself to kill him, in spite of the horror of his act, the Warden wanted the King who could field the most Dwarven troops against the Blight and didn't give a damn what caste they were from), but I'm not gonna lie - I made those up so I could do what I wanted.

[DahkWaltz]

If you're asking if killing Anders is right then posters here can contribute, but only you can decide what your Hawke would do.

 

 

 

Although the Grand Cleric is the only one mentioned, presumably many died in the Chantry. This makes what Anders did pretty much terrorism and thus you'd be defending a terrorist by sparing him.

 

But I'm wondering, if it was just the Grand Cleric that was killed would that change your view on Anders? Her greatest crime was doing nothing despite being in the position to change things. And by doing nothing, she was indirectly supporting the increased templar domination over mages.

 

 

It would mean the death of one Grand Cleric, and a whole lot of property damage

 

That would mean Anders would be hanging upsidedown from the tallest tower while Fenris tickles him with a feather

 

Or at least that's what the Anders Fangirls wants.