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My take at red lyrium (explains red lyrium allowing magical abilities while being anti magic in nature)


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I'll try to keep this short and simple. (seems I failed :( ) Unless you are a lore junkie like me or have patience, read only "Some info, nature of red/blue lyrium and the conclusion at the bottom.

 

Some info

Blue lyrium is supposedly magical while red lyrium is anti magic (according to PC gamer).
In DA:2 Meredith gets (magical?) powers while influenced/infused with red lyrium, something that seems contradictory.

Every living being enters the Fade mentally when they dream, and mages tap into it when they cast spells. 

Note that the fade is also strongly connected to willpower, dreams and most important: memories!
If every living being is connected to the fade when dreaming, this would imply that all living things also has a mental link to the fade - something that could also affect memories.

 

Nature of red/blue lyrium

If blue lyrium is a channeling system for magic and the fade, and it is confirmed that red lyrium is anti-magic,  then this is basicly what red lyrium does. I will use Meridith as an example for simplicity. I will use the term organism to describe the link between red lyrium and its connected person.

Red lyrium absorbs magic, this is why red lyrium appears to give people magical powers and abilities despite being anti-magic in nature. Instead of blue lyrium being a two-way gate or something people draw magic from, red lyrium draws on the fade through the organism it is linked to. In effect - the red lyrium drains the person of magic. 

This causes the organism to briefly be able to perform strong magical feats, sort of like a power surge - as the red lyrium channels magic using the organism as a battery.

Blue lyrium <---> organism <---> the fade
Red lyrium <<<--- organism <<<--- the fade

The red lyrium thus uses the person connected to the fade to absorb power. It channels the magic from the fade, and the organism - into itself. This explains red lyrium being "anti magic" while also allowing a strong (though not long lasting) magical power increase.

So why did meredith become a stone? 
Because she violently spent the volatile magic surging through her, she depleted fast (Burn twice as bright - half as long comes to mind). 

Why does red lyrium make people insane?
I believe this is due to the organism's memories being drained or distorted aswell. As the red lyrium uses you as a battery, it also dillutes your memories and personality. You are connected to the fade remember? Im not sure how far I can take this to the point "memories are magical", because it would be too much speculation without supporting arguments. But I do believe memories, the fade, and said theory on red lyrium causes the personality change in the person influenced by it. It could be that the channeling/draining process causes other people's memories, demonic influence or other factors to also affect the person. 

My best guess here is - the red lyrium distorts your memories and mental processing due to the violent and (anti)magical surge. This could also explain why dominant personality traits like Meridiths vindication or Bartrand's selfishness gets blown out of proportions. As red lyrium distorts mental processes and enhances magical powers - it also strengthens the already stronger parts of a person's primal characteristics.

Interesting note on Bartrand vs Meredith
Dwarves cant use magic right? While humans can? Meredith ended up getting powerful abilities, Bartrand didnt use any of these. Bartrand's only effect was the mental change. Then again he didnt have the idol anymore. Just thought Id mention this. This further explains that you have to be near the red lyrium for the effect or that dwarves cant use magic from this process of red lyrium.

The blight and the fade (this part is pure speculation and goes abit offtopic, skip this if you want)

Bartrand seem to be under the influence of the song/choir of the blight after attaining the red lyrium. This shows a connection between red lyrium and the blight, the "song" is probably connected to the blight. However Bartrand did NOT become a darkspawn or attain the taint. This opens another theory that the song which controls the darkspawn is a bigger threat than the taint.

Whatever the "song" is - I think it controls the darkspawn, but that red lyrium is what affects/brings the song. In other words - I wouldnt be surprised if the story ends up being that the red lyrium was stolen/taken by the tevinter magisters (including corypheus) from the black city or such. 

 

Conclusion

 

Red lyrium draws power from the essence of the organism it is linked to, using you as a battery to drain your life essence through the fade as another medium. Red lyrium grants powerful magic while it drains you of life physically, mentally and magically - the magic you use (while strong) is the red lyrium using your own power to fuel itself. You are basicly casting - not only bloodmagic (as it doesent only use your blood) - but your entire lifeforce and identity (soul if you will) to cast those spells, unknowing that the red lyrium is consuming you in the process.

Tinfoil hat theory 

 

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Lyrium of ANY KIND is not anti-magic in nature! In fact its rooted from the fade and spirits have affinity with Lyrium. Its a magical substance and its simply a method of usage that grants anti-magic powers. Not to mention Templars train for years to get it, don't expect to get anti-magic abilities when you hold Lyrium.

 

Also pride demons and other demons have the exact same abilities as the Templars do, disrupt and dispel magic. So in a sense Lyrium grants you powers of denizens of the fade if you train hard enough. A mage can use Lyrium much more efficiently, it restores the very fabric of essence of mind if used by a mage so its not anti-magic. It simply have several uses and one of them is granting anti-magic abilities and they are not always reliable, Templars can get shocked to death, roasted or frozen like anyone else if they are not careful or if the mage is stronger than them. As a theory I think Templars can only interrupt the casting of spells and once the cast is finished they are dead, for example a Templar is completely powerless if a fireball is already on its way to hit him/her.


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Lyrium of ANY KIND is not anti-magic in nature! In fact its rooted from the fade and spirits have affinity with Lyrium. Its a magical substance and its simply a method of usage that grants anti-magic powers. Not to mention Templars train for years to get it, don't expect to get anti-magic abilities when you hold Lyrium.

 

Also pride demons and other demons have the exact same abilities as the Templars do, disrupt and dispel magic. So in a sense Lyrium grants you powers of denizens of the fade if you train hard enough. A mage can use Lyrium much more efficiently, it restores the very fabric of essence of mind if used by a mage so its not anti-magic. It simply have several uses and one of them is granting anti-magic abilities and they are not always reliable, Templars can get shocked to death, roasted or frozen like anyone else if they are not careful or if the mage is stronger than them. As a theory I think Templars can only interrupt the casting of spells and once the cast is finished they are dead, for example a Templar is completely powerless if a fireball is already on its way to hit him/her.

 

From my post incase you replied without reading it (as it seems you did?) :P

Red lyrium draws power from the essence of the organism it is linked to, using you as a battery to drain your life essence through the fade as another medium. Red lyrium grants powerful magic while it drains you of life physically, mentally and magically - the magic you use (while strong) is the red lyrium using your own power to fuel itself. 
 

Note: This proposed effect doesent need you to get caught up in the details of being anti-magic, you seem to take a single brick out of the wall of a theory and analyze only that without its context. Im mostly proposing that red lyrium uses the user itself to fuel the magic if anything.



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From my post incase you replied without reading it (as it seems you did?) :P

Red lyrium draws power from the essence of the organism it is linked to, using you as a battery to drain your life essence through the fade as another medium. Red lyrium grants powerful magic while it drains you of life physically, mentally and magically - the magic you use (while strong) is the red lyrium using your own power to fuel itself. 

 
Note: This proposed effect doesent need you to get caught up in the details of being anti-magic, you seem to take a single brick out of the wall of a theory and analyze only that without its context. Im mostly proposing that red lyrium uses the user itself to fuel the magic if anything.

I actually did read the post, I just wanted to highlight its not anti-magic by nature. Also even the Templars start to lose their memory after long usage of blue Lyrium. I simply think Red lyrium is a much more potent version of raw Lyrium and naturally it has much stronger magic and side effects.


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From my post incase you replied without reading it (as it seems you did?) :P

Red lyrium draws power from the essence of the organism it is linked to, using you as a battery to drain your life essence through the fade as another medium. Red lyrium grants powerful magic while it drains you of life physically, mentally and magically - the magic you use (while strong) is the red lyrium using your own power to fuel itself. 

So, red lyrium is blood magic? It operates on the same principle: cast magic from life force. I wouldn't call lyrium of any color 'anti magic'. Templar abilities like smite are not passive, they're attacks. For all intents and purposes, Templars use magic to fight mages, just a different kind with a different source. 

 

It makes a sickly balanced system: mages run the risk of becoming a mindless rampaging monster just by existing and Templars consume a substance that could turn them: into a mindless rampaging monster. Blue lyrium was bad enough, but  red lyrium is even worse.

 

The more I think about it, the more I see the parallel: Ordinary mages and Templars are at risk, Blood mages and Red Templars even more so.

 

By the by, am I the only one worried that the Red Templars are capturing innocents and force feeding them lyrium until they become Behemoths?


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"Magic" and "anti-magic" are just semantics. Anti-magic is just magic that counters other types of magic.


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So, red lyrium is blood magic? It operates on the same principle: cast magic from life force. I wouldn't call lyrium of any color 'anti magic'. Templar abilities like smite are not passive, they're attacks. For all intents and purposes, Templars use magic to fight mages, just a different kind with a different source. 

 

It makes a sickly balanced system: mages run the risk of becoming a mindless rampaging monster just by existing and Templars consume a substance that could turn them: into a mindless rampaging monster. Blue lyrium was bad enough, but  red lyrium is even worse.

 

The more I think about it, the more I see the parallel: Ordinary mages and Templars are at risk, Blood mages and Red Templars even more so.

 

By the by, am I the only one worried that the Red Templars are capturing innocents and force feeding them lyrium until they become Behemoths?

 

Oh, I was thinking the same thing the other day. Despite being trained to fight mages, templars still suffer heavy casualites in a straight fight and so I can totally see the desperation to bolster their ranks combined with the Red Lyrium induced paranoia driving them to forcefully induct innocents into their ranks.

 

@OP: I always believed that Red Lyrium was ordinary Lyrium somehow connected/corrupted to/by the taint, specially because of the song Bartrand seemed to be hearing on his mind. Thanks for showing me another way to look at it :)

 

However, I'm more interested how something that was hinted to be extremely rare in DA 2 has become so widely available by the time of Inquisition. Could Red Lyrium be like http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-009 ? In the capacity that it "infects" other types of Lyrium turning them into more Red Lyrium? 



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Even blue lyrium hums with the song of power. That's why justice like that trinket you give it, and how mages can sense the magical mineral nearby.

In an interview with Gaider, he mentioned that the difference between red and blue lyrium is pretty much how red kryptonite is different to green kryptonite for an example of comparison.
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Well, I agree that there's a connection between Lyrium's song, both red and blue, and the Taint.

 

I mean, Avernus did apparently show that the Taint can provide magical power similar to how Lyrium does.

 

Really, it seems to me that all sources of magic sing. Or maybe they just carry a song from something else, as those songs do sometimes seem to have a purpose that they direct their audience to accomplish.



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However, I'm more interested how something that was hinted to be extremely rare in DA 2 has become so widely available by the time of Inquisition. Could Red Lyrium be like http://www.scp-wiki.net/scp-009 ? In the capacity that it "infects" other types of Lyrium turning them into more Red Lyrium? 

Remember that after DAII Meredith TURNED INTO Red Lyrium. I could see Red Lyrium being "farmed" by infecting humans, rather than other lyrium.



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I always just assumed that Red Lyrium was just another step of 'evolution' to Lyrium. Like a finer more precious version of something that is far more common. Blue Tiberium to green for example.