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[Fufunette]

Omg Anderson is teasing Shepard and for you it's:

 

1- He's a bad person

2- IT clue

3- Some Bioware's mistake

 

????

 

Waw.

 

Really ?

[JasonShepard]

Odd. I get that line (if I get it at all) much earlier in the game, if I'm doing a terrible job shooting the (pointless to shoot at) husks that show up climbing one of the walls.

 

And I'll have Anderson know that my Shepard spent every day of his incarceration using the pistol range, training for the inevitable Reaper invasion. He wasn't supposed to be allowed down there, but, well, apparently nobody ever confiscated his tactical cloak...

[Geoff Pinkerton]

Basically as already stated it's a prompt for the player not Shepard. It is slightly grating however.

 

That whole opening sequence is awkward because of the tutorial aspect. I think it's a bad idea trying to integrate this into the narrative, it breaks the immersion. 

 

I remember playing games such as Half Life, System Shock 2, Thief and Deus Ex back in the day and they all had a separate training section that went through the gameplay before you started the actual story. I suppose developers don't believe gamers to be patient enough for this, as cramming all this orientation stuff into the prologue seems to be the norm now. 

 

On the one hand you get to jump right into the action but on the other hand the tutorial breaks immersion and undercuts the drama. This is definitely the case with ME3. The Reaper invasion of Earth is supposed to be this monumental event that you've been anticipating for the last two games but it somehow falls flat.

  

ME2 handled this a lot better by making the prologue an interactive cut scene instead, delaying the tutorial elements until a less overly dramatic chapter. 

I would still rather have no tutorial here at all though, taking the approach of the aforementioned games.

 

Also regarding ME2 opening versus that of ME3.

Miranda's impatience with Shepard is a lot more believable than Anderson's IMO. Firstly it's entirely in character but it actually makes sense in a narrative context. Shepard has just been prematurely awakened from a two year coma and has no idea what's going on or where he/she is, while Miranda cant be sure of Shepard's state of mind. Given the emergency both Shepard's potential disorientation and Miranda's attitude make total sense.   

[HTTP 404]

It's just common thing they say in a sequel to a game where the protag is a worthy fighter.  The gamer may not be up to the task that is worthy of the protag so they use phrases like that to explain why that may be.

 

I think in the future, there should be a way to show how the player still has it, like reloading before he says you should and him exclaiming that you don't miss a beat.  I don't take things like that personally in the game since I meta know why characters say what they say.

[birefringent]

There's also the fun final part of Earth when fighting endless cannibals 'til the Normandy comes along:

 

My Shep is vanguard charging every cannibal everywhere, and Anderson keeps yelling: "Get back into cover."

 

Wish I could just reply with: "F***' your cover. I AM VANGUARD!"

[Sriep]

Well obviously Anderson is really speaking to the player who is relatively clueless compared to Shepherd.

 

However there is another point, at the very start just before you get control of Shepherd for the first time, Shepherd gets knocked unconscious by a bit of building. My theory has always been that that scrambled Shepherd's brain, and explains why s/he may have to start at level one (at least I prefer to start at level one) and might be a bit unsure of himself/herself.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Well obviously Anderson is really speaking to the player who is relatively clueless compared to Shepherd.

 

However there is another point, at the very start just before you get control of Shepherd for the first time, Shepherd gets knocked unconscious by a bit of building. My theory has always been that that scrambled Shepherd's brain, and explains why s/he may have to start at level one (at least I prefer to start at level one) and might be a bit unsure of himself/herself.

 

So Shepard is basically invalidated by the explosion? That's a pretty lousy explanation.

 

Also *Shepard*, not 'Shepherd', 

[themikefest]

There's also the fun final part of Earth when fighting endless cannibals 'til the Normandy comes along:

 

My Shep is vanguard charging every cannibal everywhere, and Anderson keeps yelling: "Get back into cover."

 

Wish I could just reply with: "F***' your cover. I AM VANGUARD!"

On a recent playthrough that I did, I went charging at the cannibals not firing my weapon. Anderson was close by and a few moments later Joker will say calvary has arrived bombing the area with Shepard and Anderson in the blast zone.

[JasonShepard]

On a recent playthrough that I did, I went charging at the cannibals not firing my weapon. Anderson was close by and a few moments later Joker will say calvary has arrived bombing the area with Shepard and Anderson in the blast zone.

 

JOKER!! How many times do I need to tell you that there's a difference between Close Air Support and Friendly Fire?!

[Brainarius]

That starting fight is so much easier with Tech/Biotic Powers

[Gonder]

I find the worst line in the mission to be near the start, when Anderson first approaches you and says "You look good Shepard, maybe a little soft around the edges". He obviously hasn't witnessed Shepard without a shirt on, because damn, he is ripped! He is at freaking wrestler powerhouse level of ripped, far stronger than he was in Mass Effect 2 or 1, and Anderson calls him soft around the edges. Old man needs to get his eyes checked...

[Dale]

I find the worst line in the mission to be near the start, when Anderson first approaches you and says "You look good Shepard, maybe a little soft around the edges". He obviously hasn't witnessed Shepard without a shirt on, because damn, he is ripped! He is at freaking wrestler powerhouse level of ripped, far stronger than he was in Mass Effect 2 or 1, and Anderson calls him soft around the edges. Old man needs to get his eyes checked...

A good subject for the thread "the most ABSURD statements in the game series"

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

A good subject for the thread "the most ABSURD statements in the game series"

 

What shameless self promotion.

[Dale]

What shameless self promotion.

When someone said "you're a real stick in the mud"....

 

Now I know what they meant.

 

IGNORE list updated.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

When someone said "you're a real stick in the mud"....

 

Now I know what they meant.

 

IGNORE list updated.

 

You had to make a post announcing this? 

[Farangbaa]

You had to make a post announcing this?

That's the norm here

I find the worst line in the mission to be near the start, when Anderson first approaches you and says "You look good Shepard, maybe a little soft around the edges". He obviously hasn't witnessed Shepard without a shirt on, because damn, he is ripped! He is at freaking wrestler powerhouse level of ripped, far stronger than he was in Mass Effect 2 or 1, and Anderson calls him soft around the edges. Old man needs to get his eyes checked...

Everybody in the MEU. Everybody.

Including Joker who'd break half his body if he tried to lift anything.

[ZipZap2000]

'That starting fight is so much easier with tech/biotic powers'

 

Especially if you have flare. 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

That's the norm here

 

What, that he actually has to take the time informing me that he's ignoring me as if it will make a little bit of me die inside?

 

It's like those old people at the store that used to say shame on me for goofing off and telling me to go tell my parents about it.

[Farangbaa]

What, that he actually has to take the time informing me that he's ignoring me as if it will make a little bit of me die inside?
 
It's like those old people at the store that used to say shame on me for goofing off and telling me to go tell my parents about it.

I have no idea why they do it. But he's not the first I've seen doing this, and he won't be the last either.

It's not like you are much better though, with your 'thread reported' in everything that smells like a necro.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I have no idea why they do it. But he's not the first I've seen doing this, and he won't be the last either.

It's not like you are much better though, with your 'thread reported' in everything that smells like a necro.

 

Eh, I do that to cultivate my seemly image of a stick in the mud (according to some people). Granted though, it's rather obnoxious when a poster has to resurrect a thread that's been in the ground and buried for 3 or more months. Unless it's a specialty thread, is it really that much harder to just make a new thread?

 

There's a difference; Telling people that you're now ignoring them is akin to going to a party, offending some older dude who now pronounces loudly that due to whatever you did to set him off, he's now has no wish to speak with you.

 

Whereas what I do is call out the guy who's in the graveyard digging up a corpse. Because that's superfreaky.

 

They're two very distinctly different approaches.

[FlyingSquirrel]

Anyone else notice that in the ME2 "tutorial," if you overload the whatchamacallits as soon as Wilson tells you to, they actually blow up close enough that Jacob takes damage?

[SporkFu]

Anyone else notice that in the ME2 "tutorial," if you overload the whatchamacallits as soon as Wilson tells you to, they actually blow up close enough that Jacob takes damage?

That's because Wilson told Jacob that he heard femshep mumbling in her sleep about how attractive singed eyebrows are. He told Jacob that maleshep really respects a guy a with no eyebrows. 

[Dale]

Omg Anderson is teasing Shepard and for you it's:

 

1- He's a bad person

2- IT clue

3- Some Bioware's mistake

 

????

 

Waw.

 

Really ?

I tend to agree.   Friends always tease one another in various ways.  

 

If you haven't seen a golf pal in a couple years, you might say a “loaded” statement to elicit a response … like “you still know which end of the club to hold?”   Expected is “I can kick your butt any day of the week….” – now let’s drink to that!

 

Generally for someone you haven’t seen in awhile, most always – it’s about “gee you’ve gained/lost weight”.   In this dialogue, about “soft around the edges”, I would expect Shep to say “hey, my 6-pack still looks better than your 2-litre”.

 

Don’t know about you – but if you’re REALLY CLOSE to your bro-mate, you’d say something like Garrus says to Shep at the Citadel sniper shootout.   When Shep says “bottles don’t fight back” -- that was a friendly kick in the pants.  Anyone else who doesn’t know either Garrus or Shep would think they are arguing or hate each other (like Bruce Lee:  “[breaking] boards don’t fight back”).

 

CHILD:  don’t throw rocks at me - but I estimate Anderson to be about 60 and [male]Shep about 40.  Well, I’m the last of 5 kids in our family and always introduced (by my mom) as “here’s the baby” even (then) when I was in my late 30’s ….and will STILL be “the baby” until I get ejected out the airlock at 160. 

 

Some cultures refer to “child” much differently than in the USA.    Here it implies a condescending tone of a juvenile delinquent or “I’m superior – you’re inferior”.    Other places it implies quite the opposite of someone you care for deeply and would KILL to defend (or do ANYTHING for).    Consider how this would be translated in other languages.

[sH0tgUn jUliA]

Well, Anderson stopped complaining about not shooting the husks after Nadia blew away a half dozen of them with a single Flare. -- like a boss.

[themikefest]

Generally for someone you haven’t seen in awhile, most always – it’s about “gee you’ve gained/lost weight”.   In this dialogue, about “soft around the edges”, I would expect Shep to say “hey, my 6-pack still looks better than your 2-litre”.

 

Actually my femshep would look at Anderson and say at least I don't look like my chair sitting around for 2 years doing nothing to find a way to stop the reapers. And as Anderson stands there looking all dumbfounded, she would smash him in the face and walk off giving him the bird.