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[Mistic]

I'm still not seeing how the term "the People" is equivalent to the view that only the Dalish are truly elves.

 

Well, it's not about the term itself, which is neutral, but the use of that term by people like those guards. If that's your opinion even after quoting that scene, then I suppose we have to agree to disagree.

 

The problem is we don't know how many clans there are, simply that there are Dalish roaming most of the continent. The fact that there are multiple clans within a specific region (hence how the elven messenger was able to rally other clans to contribute to participating against the Fifth Blight) only confounds any attempt to try to quantify how many Dalish elves there are in total.

 

True enough. But Maths are good and nice. Now everybody can picture the requirements: for the Val Royeaux alienage, you need 200 Virnehn clans. It's not a matter of imagination. The moment we have some numbers for the amount of Dalish clans, we'll be ready to make comparisons.

 

However, numbers aren't everything. After all, the Western Roman Empire was conquered by barbarian tribes that were vastly inferior in number to the conquered. What the Dalish can bring to the table is their military capacity, which their city brethren lack. A large part of their population are hunters. Not the best infantry in the world, of course, but at least you have a good corps of archers (the 10,000 hours of practice and all that, even if they don't have formal training). They probably have better equipment than the City Elves, who have to improvise what they need. And then add mages.

[Medhia_Nox]

@LobselVith8:  If Felassan (whom I imagine you must have hated given his indictment of the Dalish) is to be believe, even the Dalish don't know how many Dalish there are.  He was very clear in saying that there's is next to no communication between most Dalish clans.

 

@Samahl:  The interesting thing about Briala is her specification about her network.  She is clearly not anti-Orlesian and is absolutely more anti-Dalish by the end of the book. 

 

@Mistic:  The Western Roman empire was spread too thin and had already faced decades of degeneration.  If TME is to be believed, Orlais is the greatest empire in the world at the time of the story. 

[Jedi Master of Orion]

@Samahl:  The interesting thing about Briala is her specification about her network.  She is clearly not anti-Orlesian and is absolutely more anti-Dalish by the end of the book.

 

That's not really true. At the end of the book her plan is to fight against both sides in the Orlesian Civil War to free the city elves. This makes her inherently an enemy of Celene, Gaspard and the entire political struture of Orlais. She doesn't like the Dalish by any means but is still willing to extend and offer of alliance to them if they are willing to help her on her own terms.

[Medhia_Nox]

@Jedi Master of Orion:  I had already mentioned.  The Eluvians work on a verbal command... go back and re-read exactly what she says.  The book seems to indicate that the Eluvians will not work for anyone but those she specifies... "Hint:  She does NOT include the Dalish".

[Jedi Master of Orion]

@Jedi Master of Orion:  I had already mentioned.  The Eluvians work on a verbal command... go back and re-read exactly what she says.  The book seems to indicate that the Eluvians will not work for anyone but those she specifies... "Hint:  She does NOT include the Dalish".

 

Her exact words to Mihris at the end of the novel are "And your people are my people, even if they've forgotten. I will work wit the Dalish, but only if they help all our people. Pass that on to the next clan you meet." She hardly extends any similar offer to either side of the Orlesian Civil War, by stealing the Eluvian crystal from Celene she declared all Orlais to be her enemies.

[Dean_the_Young]

That never stopped anyone from trying!

 

(Looks to the Middle East.)

 

So I see.

[LOLandStuff]

I'm thinking the Dalish will try and snatch that rock from Briala because she's not elfish enough to handle an artifact of the "true people".

[Medhia_Nox]

@Jedi Master of Orion:  No, when she activates the Eluvians she says: "I activate these in the name of the elves of Orlais." 

Yes, it could mean nothing, but this is magic, and words have meaning usually with magic.

[Jedi Master of Orion]

@Jedi Master of Orion:  No, when she activates the Eluvians she says: "I activate these in the name of the elves of Orlais." 

Yes, it could mean nothing, but this is magic, and words have meaning usually with magic.

 

Yes I know what. The City Elves of Orlais are her primary concern, but in doing so she needs to fight all Orlesian forces. She's an enemy of Orlais. She is neutral with the Dalish elves. You can go read what she said to them at the end of the book herself.

 

Although the verbal command to active the Eluvians is "Fen'harel enansal." It will work for anyone who says the command phrase, that's why she tries to give the command to Felessan. He's not an elf of Orlais. What she said about "I activate these in the name of the elves of Orlais" is just her announcing to Celene, Gaspard and Michel what she was doing.

[David Gaider]

I thought the title of the thread was "How would you ruin a homeland?"

 

...and I thought, "That's awesome. What an appropriate question."

[TheJediSaint]

I thought the title of the thread was "How would you ruin a homeland?"

 

...and I thought, "That's awesome. What an appropriate question."

It is, but why limit yourself to just homelands?

[Steelcan]

I thought the title of the thread was "How would you ruin a homeland?"

 

...and I thought, "That's awesome. What an appropriate question."

The elves seem to have experience with that one

[TK514]

I thought the title of the thread was "How would you ruin a homeland?"

 

...and I thought, "That's awesome. What an appropriate question."

 

Oh, good.  I needed Coca Cola in my nose.

[Master Warder Z_]

Oh, good.  I needed Coca Cola in my nose.

 

Well at least the juries out.

 

Even Gaider doesn't view it as plausible, he also made me laugh.

[TheJediSaint]

Well at least the juries out.

 

Even Gaider doesn't view it as plausible, he also made me laugh.

I wouldn't read too much into that.  I'm pretty sure he just read run as ruin.  But you know he's a writer when he can make something 10X more awesome by simply adding a single letter to one word.

[LobselVith8]

I thought the title of the thread was "How would you ruin a homeland?"

...and I thought, "That's awesome. What an appropriate question."

You really couldn't tell that the thread is supposed to be about a hypothetical homeland when some people basically troll those of us who were genuinely interested in the prospect of giving the elves their own autonomous nation.

[Master Warder Z_]

Did Lob just seriously call Gaider a troll...

 

Dude...

[Steelcan]

Did Lob just seriously call Gaider a troll...

 

Dude...

its not like he's the lead writer or anything, its just further proof of how oppressed the elves are

[Samahl]

Did Lob just seriously call Gaider a troll...

 

Dude...

 

No, he didn't. He said "some people".

[LobselVith8]

Did Lob just seriously call Gaider a troll...

Dude...

I was actually addressing how certain people have derailed the actual intent for this thread since the first page. But I'm hardly surprised that you're ignoring the obvious intent of my statement.

[Master Warder Z_]

No, he didn't. He said "some people".

 

And given Gaider came into the thread and made a joke about the title, wouldn't that include him in there?

 

._.

[Lulupab]

Did Lob just seriously call Gaider a troll...
 
Dude...

That was indeed indirect trolling and Gaider wouldn't be the first writer/developer to do it. Its quite common actually. But personally I wouldn't call it "trolling" more like teasing.

[Senya]

Well, Creators can troll too. In fact, if I was Gaider, I'd troll all the time so that everyone will be forever guessing what is really going to happen.

[Samahl]

And given Gaider came into the thread and made a joke about the title, wouldn't that include him there?

 

No, unless Gaider's intent was to antagonize pro-elf people. I doubt that was the case, though he ended up fueling some of it anyway.

[Master Warder Z_]

But I'm hardly surprised that you're ignoring the obvious intent of my statement.

 

You tend to do that to other people yourself you realize?