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Do you take issue with LGBTQ+ pride?
Obviously I walk around kicking puppies and telling little children that they will never grow up to be anything worthwhile. I of course can never be anything but a cardboard cutout villain. All because I don't like your fictional race of special snowflakes.
besides, religion, language, way of life, not that different at all I suppose
They speak the same language. And their respective ways of life are rooted in the same things - oppression at the hands of humans. They just deal with it it in different ways. Each community's values aren't all that far apart, it's just that Dalish and City Elves end up putting more or less emphasis on one thing or another.
They both have pointed ears so they are the same... This SJW logic is hilarious
Make a thread titled "Elf Supporters: How would you run a homeland?"
Have the hater brigade invading within minutes.
Unfortunately, Roamingmachine's statement is just as true hours later. Let's hope this doesn't continue to be the case.
As per Gervaise's original post (a person who invited elf supporters to discuss an elven homeland) and in addition to what I wrote previously, I'd also imagine my elven protagonist would utilize the lyrium trade for the benefit of an independent elven kingdom, considering how the land of the Dales borders not only Ferelden, but the entrance to Orzammar and access to one of the most valuable substances in the known world.
The Dalish see themselves as the "true elves". That's a superiority complex. They are no more true elf than any other elf culture.
They both experience anti-elf oppression. Humans don't treat the Dalish any differently from city elves - they're all just knife-ears to them.
Nah, I think humans probably see the Dalish as barbarians while the City Elves are just seen as being the lowest class in human society. Humans are going to be much more wary of the Dalish than they are the City Elves.
The Dalish see themselves as reclaiming their lost culture, which they are. If viewing city elves as inferior was a popular sentiment, you'd think they'd reject all the city elves who run away to join them.
Yes, but some of them do have an inferiority complex.
They speak the same language. And their respective ways of life are rooted in the same things - oppression at the hands of humans. They just deal with it it in different ways. Each community's values aren't all that far apart, it's just that Dalish and City Elves end up putting more or less emphasis on one thing or another.
the Dalish are trying to bring back the ancient elven language, the city elves use it for slang
furthermore, just because they are both on the short end of the stick does not mean they have a common bond, beyond the pointy ears there aren't many similarities
The Dalish see themselves as reclaiming their lost culture, which they are. If viewing city elves as inferior was a popular sentiment, you'd think they'd reject all the city elves who run away to join them.
City Elves joining them are different from city elves living in alienages worshiping Andraste
The Dalish see themselves as reclaiming their lost culture, which they are. If viewing city elves as inferior was a popular sentiment, you'd think they'd reject all the city elves who run away to join them.
They would if the city elves didn't submit to their beliefs and their culture, They go on and on about how one day the city elves will join them and submit to THEIR culture.
Obviously I walk around kicking puppies and telling little children that they will never grow up to be anything worthwhile. I of course can never be anything but a cardboard cutout villain. All because I don't like your fictional race of special snowflakes.
They would if the city elves didn't submit to their beliefs and their culture, They go on and on about how one day the city elves will join them and submit to THEIR culture.
SUBMIT TO THE SPECIAL SNOW FLAKE ELVES OR DIE!
o-o or just die if your talking to the TME dalish.
The Dalish see themselves as reclaiming their lost culture, which they are. If viewing city elves as inferior was a popular sentiment, you'd think they'd reject all the city elves who run away to join them.
Considering they only accept elves joining them if said elf converts to their beliefs and culture, they pretty much do.
And let's not forget the "Soon we will reeducate all the elves who have lost their way" sentiments.
Nah, I think humans probably see the Dalish as barbarians while the City Elves are just seen as being the lowest class in human society. Humans are going to be much more wary of the Dalish than they are the City Elves.
Not to mention elves can achieve actual positions of status and authority within the human world, Elven Templars, Elven Knights, Merchants, Crud in Antiva if your a crow and a elf, apparently your seen as a crow first and foremost.
That has nothing to do with what I said. Pride was originally conceived as a reaction to heteronormativity and trans/homophobia, a way of achieving solidarity with other members of the queer community and learning to accept and love your identity, in spite of near universal revilement. It's similar to what the Dalish are doing - by trying to get in touch with their roots, they are communicating to the humans and to each other that being an elf is not something to be ashamed of.
With the main difference being that the LGBT community is real and the Dalish are fiction. I can hate any fictional group of people I like without being a horrible prejudiced monster in the real world.
Which is something certain fanatics have a very hard time understanding.
They would if the city elves didn't submit to their beliefs and their culture, They go on and on about how one day the city elves will join them and submit to THEIR culture.
SUBMIT TO THE SPECIAL SNOW FLAKE ELVES OR DIE!
o-o or just die if your talking to the TME dalish.
Ohh no the TME Dalish were just poorly potrayed..Not all Dalish are Jerks like that /end DalishFanboy logic
With the main difference being that the LGBT community is real and the Dalish are fiction. I can hate any fictional group of people I like without being a horrible prejudiced monster in the real world.
Which is something certain fanatics have a very hard time understanding.
SUBMIT TO THE SPECIAL SNOW FLAKE ELVES OR DIE!
All filthy humans will be sent to death Elfification camps!
After all those filthy scumlords took away our totally universal magic and immortality!
the Dalish are trying to bring back the ancient elven language, the city elves use it for slang
furthermore, just because they are both on the short end of the stick does not mean they have a common bond, beyond the pointy ears there aren't many similarities
They know more about the ancient elven language but they still mostly speak common. The only difference is that the Dalish have the opportunity to preserve more. That's what most of the differences boil down to: opportunity. City Elves do place value on remembering the past, but since they are stuck in human cities they can't. They aren't any friendlier in dealing with humans, but they can't afford to antagonize them as much as a Dalish could. They aren't any less wary of outsiders but they can't do anything about it because they aren't allowed to own weapons. They aren't any more enlightened in dealing with dissenting outcasts because they have their own use of the word "flat ear". They aren't any less interested in maintaining their own unique culture and bloodline because they have arranged marriages. Narrator Duncan even calls them "a proud people" so they aren't uniquely more humble than Dalish either, but being crushed under humanity's rule has given them less chance for that too. You can't compare City Elf mages to Dalish Keepers either because humans don't let Alienages have mages.
Dalish aren't even unique in their whole "true elves" thing. If Maharial says to Pol that Dalish don't consider them real elves he says the City Elves think the same thing. In TME, Briala even muses that if the City Elves knew Felessan was a Dalish elf, some would attack him on sight.
Considering they only accept elves joining them if said elf converts to their beliefs and culture, they pretty much do.
And let's not forget the "Soon we will reeducate all the elves who have lost their way" sentiments.
I still remember that disgusting conversation back in DAO
Warden: What sort of lore does the keeper collect?
Dalish lady i forgot the name of: "Our history and culture and one day when we have reclaimed it we will bring it all elves"
I think she tossed in a flat ear comment somewhere but that was the gist, i mean it seems to me the Dalish more or less plan to convert the entirety of the elves back to their ways if given the chance, and given we have seen the result of that prior...I see NOTHING positive coming from it.
Ohh no the TME Dalish were just poorly potrayed..Not all Dalish are Jerks like that /end DalishFanboy logic
Considering they only accept elves joining them if said elf converts to their beliefs and culture, they pretty much do.
The Dalish are a nomadic group focused on following the elven religion and elven culture, like the Sephardic Jews.
And let's not forget the "Soon we will reeducate all the elves who have lost their way" sentiments.
You're conflating the view of some with the view of all of them, and it's also true that some Alienage elves see themselves in a similar fashion, as they view those who try to live outside the walls of the Alienage as people who throw away "being elven". As hahren Sarethia wrote, "Here, we're among family. We look out for each other. Here, we do what we can to remember the old ways. The flat-ears who have gone out there, they're stuck. They'll never be human, and they've gone and thrown away being elven, too. So where does that leave them? Nowhere."
That has more to do with survival than anything else. Tradition is what ties the members of a clan together. Without that bond, the group loses cohesiveness.
So what your saying is they see non-Dalish elves being with them as a threat to the survival of their culture.
The Dalish are a nomadic group focused on following the elven religion and elven culture, like the Sephardic Jews.
You're conflating the view of some with the view of all of them, and it's also true that some Alienage elves see themselves in a similar fashion, as view those who try to live outside the walls of the Alienage as people who throw away "being elven". As hahren Sarethia wrote, "Here, we're among family. We look out for each other. Here, we do what we can to remember the old ways. The flat-ears who have gone out there, they're stuck. They'll never be human, and they've gone and thrown away being elven, too. So where does that leave them? Nowhere."
Except I've seen many Dalish think this way, so until I see the proportions shift I will view it as a common belief on the Dalish's part.
Right, and all Andrastians are fanatical cultists, like Kolgrim.
Kolgrim was a fanatical cultist?
I thought it was just the dragon blood corrupting his brain.
Do you take issue with LGBTQ+ pride?
LGBT People exist and the challenges they face due to discrimination are very real. Elves are not real and neither of their issues..
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