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And let's not forget the "Soon we will reeducate all the elves who have lost their way" sentiments.
Your right Jedi Master of Orion, And now I can totally see that Tal'Vashoth and Elves are esentially the same due to their pointed ears, their pride and the fact they are both oppressed =/
LGBT People exist and the challenges they face due to discrimination is very real. Elves are not real and neither of their issues..
LGBT People exist and the challenges they face due to discrimination is very real. Elves are not real and neither of their issues..
Some of us do notice how some people in this community use the elves to express real world racism, like the previous elven thread where one poster said that elves were the "n word" of Thedas. Rather than letting this thread devolve into a bloody dispute over the elves (which wasn't the intent of the original poster, who invited fans of the elves to talk civilly about the prospects of an elven homeland), perhaps we can return to that discussion?
So what your saying is they see non-Dalish elves being with them as a threat to the survival of their culture.
Your right Jedi Master of Orion, And now I can totally see that Tal'Vashoth and Elves are esentially the same due to their pointed ears, their pride and the fact they are both oppressed =/
Except as I said, City and Dalish elves share most of the same values and desires for maintaining their communities. They also share most of the same history.
So cognitive dissonance, then.
How can it be contradictory to actually point out that one group actually exists and shouldn't be compared to a fictional one that in no way shape or form mirrors them?
Teaching people about their cultural heritage is not the same as "reeducating" them. The Dalish might not understand why an elf wouldn't want to worship the Creators, but that doesn't mean they'll force them to if they get a homeland.
Considering they won't let them join the clans unless they convert, I see no reason to think the Dalish being in charge of the homeland will be any different.
Some of us do notice how some people in this community use the elves to express real world racism, like the previous elven thread where one poster said that elves were the "n word" of Thedas. Rather than letting this thread devolve into a bloody dispute over the elves (which wasn't the intent of the original poster, who invited fans of the elves to talk civilly about the prospects of an elven homeland), perhaps we can return to that discussion?
Accusing people that don't like elves of having real world prejudice is not going to foster a civil discussion either. Both sides need to to pull back on the rhetoric.
Except as I said, City and Dalish elves share most of the same values and desires for maintaining their communities.
Like those Tal'Vashoth that "Cling to the ways of the Qun" by refusing to be mercenaries right? right? =P
Considering they won't let them join the clans unless they convert, I see no reason to think the Dalish being in charge of the homeland will be any different.
Remember in the DAO Dalish orgin when the newbie accidentally praises Andraste instead of the creators and he visibly flinches as if he is expecting to get a punch upside the head for saying it?
Considering they won't let them join the clans unless they convert, I see no reason to think the Dalish being in charge of the homeland will be any different.
I don't see the two as equivalent, considering that a nomadic lifestyle that is focused on following elven traditions and religion isn't the same as Dalish and Andrastian elves working together to oust the Orlesian Empire from power over the Dales (although the topic could pertain to another region of land where the elves might settle down).
So cognitive dissonance, then.
Elves are a trope, LGBT people are people. There is no dissonance.
Like those Tal'Vashoth that "Cling to the ways of the Qun" by refusing to be mercenaries right? right? =P
Tal'vashoth aren't even really a community at all. Dalish and City elves are. The comparison makes no sense.
How can it be contradictory to actually point out that one group actually exists and shouldn't be compared to a fictional one that in no way shape or form mirrors them?
Elves are a trope, LGBT people are people. There is no dissonance.
Because there are parallels.
There are Parallels with EVERYTHING, honestly if i was pressed i bet i could find a dozen or more parallels with the QUN and some variant of Communism, Parallels don't have some overriding between what is fiction and what is reality.
When it comes down to the Dalish are nothing like the people you are speaking of, You inflating a fictitious group with a message you find endearing isn't the same as their situation being similar.
Analogies must always be lost on you, I'd imagine.
And so you keep insulting people when they don't agree with or understand your analogies... 
Analogies must always be lost on you, I'd imagine.
Probably just the stupid ones.
Accusing people that don't like elves of having real world prejudice is not going to foster a civil discussion either. Both sides need to to pull back on the rhetoric.
That would be possible if some of them didn't use real world racism in their remarks about the elves, which happened in the last elven thread. Quite frankly, this shouldn't have even happened, because this thread wasn't intended to debate the merits of an elven homeland; perhaps the people who don't like the elves can be civil and stop derailing a thread that invited fans of the elves to discuss how they would run a hypothetical elven homeland.
Teaching people about their cultural heritage is not the same as "reeducating" them. The Dalish might not understand why an elf wouldn't want to worship the Creators, but that doesn't mean they'll force them to if they get a homeland.
if they get a new homeland conversion to the Dalish pantheon will likely be mandatory
That would be possible if some of them didn't use real world racism in their remarks about the elves, which happened in the last elven thread. Quite frankly, this shouldn't have even happened, because this thread wasn't intended to debate the merits of an elven homeland; perhaps the people who don't like the elves can be civil and stop derailing a thread that invited fans of the elves to discuss how they would run a hypothetical elven homeland.
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Perhaps you could try telling them they aren't welcome again?
And so you keep insulting people when they don't agree with or understand your analogies...
I don't see the two as equivalent, considering that a nomadic lifestyle that is focused on following elven traditions and religion isn't the same as Dalish and Andrastian elves working together to oust the Orlesian Empire from power over the Dales (although the topic could pertain to another region of land where the elves might settle down).
How is it different? You think the Dalish are suddenly not going to focus on following 'elven' traditions and religion? You yourself have pointed out how you think them being with Andrastian elves could cause tension due to differing beliefs. Considering the Dales saw that as something worth removing by kicking out missionaries, and the Dalish wanting to be like the Dales, them religiously censoring all non-Dalish beliefs is well within the realm of possibility.
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