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[KaiserShep]

I often forget that the power fantasy is akin to limbo in Inception. The universe bends to the whims of the mind that created it.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I often forget that the power fantasy is akin to limbo in Inception. The universe bends to the whims of the mind that created it.

 

Yep. That's the beauty of the power fantasy.

[Obadiah]

...actually one of the sicker traits on this forum.

[KaiserShep]

...actually one of the sicker traits on this forum.

 

After seeing the chemistry of quarian sweat, nothing is sick anymore. Andraste's fiery knickers, what a mess that was.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

...actually one of the sicker traits on this forum.

 

Nah, I think it's good that people get it out. We need more ubermensch. 

[SporkFu]

If Wrex and Eve convince me they can lead the krogan to a positive future, and co-exist peacefully with the rest of the galaxy afterwards, then yes I would cure the genophage. If they can't convince me, or if Wreav is in charge, i would sabotage the cure. Don't ask me to shoot Mordin to do it, though. 

[KaiserShep]

If Wrex and Eve convince me they can lead the krogan to a positive future, and co-exist peacefully with the rest of the galaxy afterwards, then yes I would cure the genophage. If they can't convince me, or if Wreav is in charge, i would sabotage the cure. Don't ask me to shoot Mordin to do it, though. 

 

I've established that my favorite scene for the genophage arc with my canon Shepard is when she never tells Wrex and Eve about the sabotage, and tells Mordin at the shroud:

 

"I don't know if I can trust the krogan, but I trust you."

 

It doesn't have the tense tone of delaying and arguing with Mordin and having the option to shoot him, but still, it was pretty satisfying.

[themikefest]

I may trust Mordin, but I still don't cure the genophage

[Daemul]

I may trust Mordin, but I still don't cure the genophage

Nah, Mordin was too emotionally compromised to be trusted, after boasting in Mass Effect 2 that he gets over guilt quickly. I had to shoot him.

[RatThing]

I'm just glad I don't have to make such decisions. Other than synthetics I consider Krogans a true live form and condemn a whole species to extinction is a serious matter. On the other hand it's not really fair that (more or less) peaceful species are threatened and live in fear just so that violent species can thrive. Consider me undecided.

This indecision is also reflected in the way I've played it so far. My earthborn Shepard was once considered a worthless thug but he received a second chance in live. He cured. My colonist Shepard lost her home and her family to a species who wasn't willing or able to live in peace. She sabotaged.

 

Btw. I wouldn't care whether Wrex or Wreav would lead the Krogans.

[Inprea]

I'd cure it as long as wrex is alive. I really don't get how the Krogan where that big of a threat though. It should be warships that decide a species strength not their numbers. If you have 40 Dreadnaughts and they have 3 you win even if they have 100x your soldiers as you can just bomb the threat from orbit or even deep space.

 

Where did the krogan even get all the ships they used to fight the Turians in the rebellions? I'm guessing the Selarians and Asari gve them the ships. If the enemy is on a toxic world you can't land troops on them just hit it with an asteroid so large it's poles shift. That should fix the problem fast. Well you still couldn't land on the planet but the threat would be gone.

[Jukaga]

Never. The genophage doesn't condemn the Krogan to annihilation, their own behavior does. Given their natural fertility rate the phage is the only thing that could keep their numbers in check given a technological civilization.

[Jukaga]

Nah, Mordin was too emotionally compromised to be trusted, after boasting in Mass Effect 2 that he gets over guilt quickly. I had to shoot him.

 

Yep. Mordin had clearly succumbed to Maelon's mental illness by the events of ME3 and should be regarded as lost to reason. Killing him is a mercy, and ME2 Mordin would shake your hand for it.

[Fixers0]

Well I'm in a minority on this I actually believe saboting the cure with Wrex, Eve and Mordin alive is quite frankly the most beautiful and dramatic scenario; Everything appears to be flawlessly setup for the Genophage cure when Shepard bluntly admits to Mordin that he never intended to cure the Genophage and that he is, in fact disgusted by the idea, the drama is further strengthend by the idead that this ashepard mostly profiles as paragon. 

[KrrKs]

Didn't we already have several of these threads?

 

To answere the question:

Without reapers? Not gonna happen, the Krogan reproduction rate would be way to high and pose a threat to everyone else.

 

With the Reapers?

-There are these AI warships that will wipe out all noteworthy resistance in less than a century

-Yeah, you build the crucible -a machine you don't even know what it does or how or if it will backfire

-You need Krogan support to get the Turians -as already stated the war could take a century or longer, without the cure the Krogans will not have the numbers to fight that long

 

So the choice is between:

-most likely being completely annihilated by the reapers

and

-maybe being annihilated by the reapers or maybe attacked by the Krogan in one post war scenario

 

So I'd cure the Genophage eveytime.

Besides, I'd rather get headbutted into oblivion than being huskified or turned into jelly by the reapers

[Obadiah]

I always wondered what would happen if, in the sabotaged Genophage scenario, Shepard bled to death in front of the control panel, and one of the Krogan grunts from Hammer made it into the Decision Chamber and had the conversation with the Catalyst instead.

[shodiswe]

When the Reapers are attacking then there are worse things to worry about. Chances are you're dead no matter what. Might aswell prolog your life by making frieds.

The Reapers have harvested thousands or species for a billion years or something.... Yeah... The Krogan do seem relevant in that context.... Not really. They might make good cannonfoder if you can convince them to fight for you though.

Besides, the Krogan's have been defeated before by a galaxy with less resources and fewer species... The Reapers havn't.

One is extintion comming for you, the other are a bunch of thugs that have been beaten into submission and left to rot on a burnt out homeworld. Right now they are mere fragment and shadow of what they once were.(Krogans)

[KaiserShep]

Nah, Mordin was too emotionally compromised to be trusted, after boasting in Mass Effect 2 that he gets over guilt quickly. I had to shoot him.

That he spent a great deal of time soul searching after the genophage modification project always suggested to me that he never fully resolved his guilt, despite what he may have claimed post-mission.

[ImaginaryMatter]

That he spent a great deal of time soul searching after the genophage modification project always suggested to me that he never fully resolved his guilt, despite what he may have claimed post-mission.

 

I get that. However, I do think that people (or frog people) can still feel guilt even when doing what they believe to be right and I think that's where Mordin fits in. Despite, the emotional turmoil he felt about his involvement, he ultimately survived it because deep down -- despite the horribleness of the Genophage -- he knew it to be necessary. By the time he and most of my reaffirming Shepard's left Tuchunka after the LM the doubt had moved past. Which is why it's so weird to suddenly have him flip. I don't want to be too critical because the end of Tuchunka is very moving no matter how it goes down, but it still feels like Mordin is as different of a character as his voice actor.

[ZipZap2000]

Under Wrex and with Wreav dead? Yes, but not the opposite.

 

"He's acquired more weapons of mass destruction then any other warlord....Fortunately most of those have already been deployed..."

 

Not on your life, not even with Eve alive might as well put a Turian bomb on earth and send the trigger mechanism to Tuchanka.

[Reorte]

Save or condemn an entire species? You're not doing either with the genophage, the whole point of it is to do neither. The problems its giving the krogan are social; their society is in trouble, the species is not.

As for whether I would in reality as opposed to in the game who knows? Can't say without being in that situation. If there wasn't any Reaper threat then no.

[Reorte]

I always wondered what would happen if, in the sabotaged Genophage scenario, Shepard bled to death in front of the control panel, and one of the Krogan grunts from Hammer made it into the Decision Chamber and had the conversation with the Catalyst instead.

Refuse probably, considering that's what you get for shooting the Catalyst. Well, assuming you get the same reaction for headbutting him.

[Dale]

As been mentioned in the game (and in this thread), the Kogran brutes are the Krogans' worst enemy.    Tuchanka is a nuclear memorial to their way of life.    Now they want to take this same kind of mentality offworld?    Reminds me of the startrek Klingons.  For the game, yeah cure the genophase.....and if these brutes get out of hand the 2nd time -- who's to say some other species will create a 2nd strand of genophase that is NOT curable to keep them in line?

 

Wrex and Eve certainly are a breath of fesh air though.   I was totally blown away dialoguing with Eve.   What?   Somebody with some common sense?    However with a planet of battle-hardened brutes, they are going to have a tough job ahead of them.

 

From the grander picture -- and correct me if I'm wrong -- but all Shep's efforts to unite the galaxy, recruit this & that, to acquire war asset 100,000 to fight the reapers is like throwing a spit wad against a granite wall.    Yes, there were a few supersquids destroyed (but there are thousands of them).   What happened at the ENDING (in my view) is what really defeated them (duhh).

 

By that I mean uniting the galaxy (IMO) served only two purposes:

 

(1) creating & delivering the crucible (which "changed the catalyst" that gave Shep 3 options)

(2) facilitated Shep to arrive at the Citadel (for the "best seat in the house")

 

Getting Krogan, Turian, Vorcha foot soldiers did what to DEFEAT the reapers?

[Brainarius]

I always play Wrex and Bakara alive so yes. Wrex is my friend. With more people and a focus on rebuilding Tuchanka and the krogan worlds, more krogan could rebuild the galaxy. Who knows, with so many Asari, Turians, Batarians and Humans dead, the Krogan could become the new dominant race of the galaxy.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I always play Wrex and Bakara alive so yes. Wrex is my friend. With more people and a focus on rebuilding Tuchanka and the krogan worlds, more krogan could rebuild the galaxy. Who knows, with so many Asari, Turians, Batarians and Humans dead, the Krogan could become the new dominant race of the galaxy.

 

Yeah, that's not a good thing. Like, at all. 

 

The Krogan won't rebuild. They'll just kill, and kill, and kill, because they'll develop a massive sense of entitlement for helping in the war effort and rebuilding planets.

 

IMO, they get Tuchanka alone. That's it. Wrex and Eve are two Krogan, who I have utterly zero faith in ever actually changing things for the Krogan permanently. 

 

I'll reconstitute the genophage post-war. In fact, I might as well go ahead and exterminate the Krogan. We'll have enough problems post-war that dealing with a resurgent Krogan species will be taxing on resources and time consuming. The universe is a better place with the violent brutes dead anyway.