If the krogan had good leaders who could keep them in line, yes 
but the problem is, that it is not very certain that there will not be a leader in the future that wants to control the entire galaxy...
So I think it is better to go for a more certain solution, but we are talking here about changing the course of entire history, IF you would destroy an entire species, this would affect more than we can even imagine...
I'm glad I that have to make that choice in real life
That's the thing, your soldiers are taking breaks whilst your enemy isn't, every time you take men away from the fight you give up more and more ground which will be impossible to take back because the Reapers are so persistent in their assault. It is something you cannot afford to do, which is why the Reapers are such a formidable foe, because they push their enemies to the point of exhaustion and then round them up to be taken away and processed, whilst at the same time continuing their push forward, all without breaking their stride.
They truly are awesome.
If they're so awesome, why can't the reaper on Tuchanka fire its beam horizontally at Shepard killing him/her? Why can't the reaper on Rannoch fire its beam at Shepard horzontally killing him/her? Why can't the reaper in London fire its beam at the missiles on the vehicle? Why doesn't Harbinger fire its beam at the Normandy in front of the beam? Why can't the reapers fire their beams horizontally at the approaching fleets over Earth?
If they're so awesome, why can't the reaper on Tuchanka fire its beam horizontally at Shepard killing him/her? Why can't the reaper on Rannoch fire its beam at Shepard horzontally killing him/her? Why can't the reaper in London fire its beam at the missiles on the vehicle? Why doesn't Harbinger fire its beam at the Normandy in front of the beam? Why can't the reapers fire their beams horizontally at the approaching fleets over Earth?
The Reapers are like ants, by their lonesome they're inept and not too much of a threat. But there are a whole bunch of them, so they are a little troubling.
I'd love to see them go on a war of expansion without space ships. But hey, this is Mass Effect, some space magic isn't strange
If you cure the Genophage the Krogan have only one option: control their population. They can do this consciously by restricting their birth rate, or as a side effect by going to war with each other.
There is zero risk for the other species.
Hence my question as to why they would want a cure in the first place. They aren't going to be able to successfully implement any form of population control when a krogan female having children even a single time in her entire, 1000+ year long life results in 1000 kids. The Chinese government had a hard enough time doing that during their one child policy years, and that was with creatures that have at most 1 child per year for a 20 year span. The quarians in universe can successfully control theirs, though this probably has more to do with their easy to monitor close knit living situation and unique physiology that would make having a large number of children impractically difficult anyway.
Thus the only real krogan options are to have their numbers artificially deflated by the genophage to sustainable levels, or to have their numbers AND Tuchanka's resources depleted by constantly having tons of kids and slaughtering each other over basic survival needs.
The Reapers are like ants, by their lonesome they're inept and not too much of a threat. But there are a whole bunch of them, so they are a little troubling.
If their so inept by themselves what would make them any better being together?
It still doesn't explain all the reapers over Earth not firing horizontally at the fleets.
Hence my question as to why they would want a cure in the first place. They aren't going to be able to successfully implement any form of population control when a krogan female having children even a single time in her entire, 1000+ year long life results in 1000 kids. The Chinese government had a hard enough time doing that during their one child policy years, and that was with creatures that have at most 1 child per year for a 20 year span. The quarians in universe can successfully control theirs, though this probably has more to do with their easy to monitor close knit living situation and unique physiology that would make having a large number of children impractically difficult anyway.
Thus the only real krogan options are to have their numbers artificially deflated by the genophage to sustainable levels, or to have their numbers AND Tuchanka's resources depleted by constantly having tons of kids and slaughtering each other over basic survival needs.
That's a good point. Curing the genophage might actually be much worse for their species in the long run.
I'm actually kind of bummed there was no neutral option to state that curing the genophage is a bad idea but as a compromise give the Krogan some favorable conditions to let them breed afterwards under Wrex's leadership.
If their so inept by themselves what would make them any better being together?
It still doesn't explain all the reapers over Earth not firing horizontally at the fleets.
With more ships they can fire in multiple directions so they don't have to horizontal sweep their beams, so they can leave it to the guy next to them.
They're like Pikmin or these guys.
If they're so awesome, why can't the reaper on Tuchanka fire its beam horizontally at Shepard killing him/her? Why can't the reaper on Rannoch fire its beam at Shepard horzontally killing him/her? Why can't the reaper in London fire its beam at the missiles on the vehicle?
Because they want Shepard's body, and firing directly at Shepard would disintegrate him/her. Destroyer on Leaving Earth scene did not have any difficulties hitting two fleeing shuttles.
Except the Reapers are actually trying to hit Shepard and their minions are armed with attacks that vaporize him as well.
Hence my question as to why they would want a cure in the first place. They aren't going to be able to successfully implement any form of population control when a krogan female having children even a single time in her entire, 1000+ year long life results in 1000 kids. The Chinese government had a hard enough time doing that during their one child policy years, and that was with creatures that have at most 1 child per year for a 20 year span. The quarians in universe can successfully control theirs, though this probably has more to do with their easy to monitor close knit living situation and unique physiology that would make having a large number of children impractically difficult anyway.
Thus the only real krogan options are to have their numbers artificially deflated by the genophage to sustainable levels, or to have their numbers AND Tuchanka's resources depleted by constantly having tons of kids and slaughtering each other over basic survival needs.
The Krogan equivalent of a condom, the pill, a spiral, whatever. Something that doesn't make a female get pregnant only to produce stillborns.
Or they could chose not to have children, as Eve explicitly states when Wrex is dead.
And it's said that they can produce a thousand eggs per clutch, not that they always do.
offtopic: the Krogan clutch size, from a biological standpoint, is ridiculous. Low availability of food and high predation risk selects for lower clutch size, not massive clutch size, provided the Krogan rear their young (of which I think we know nothing.. at least I dont). But that's a whole different story
Because they want Shepard's body, and firing directly at Shepard would disintegrate him/her. Destroyer on Leaving Earth scene did not have any difficulties hitting two fleeing shuttles.
Maybe you should try standing still when the Rannoch Reaper is shooting at Shepard.
With more ships they can fire in multiple directions so they don't have to horizontal sweep their beams, so they can leave it to the guy next to them.
They're like Pikmin or these guys.
What do I care about ants?
The reapers may be able to fire in multiple directions, but they didn't with fleets approaching Earth and from what I saw there were only a handful of them firing. Why? If there so awesome or whatever, why are they not all firing?
Because they want Shepard's body, and firing directly at Shepard would disintegrate him/her. Destroyer on Leaving Earth scene did not have any difficulties hitting two fleeing shuttles.The destroy in London didn't know Shepard was there.
If that's the case why is the reaper on Tuchanka trying to crush Shepard? Why would the reaper on Rannoch want to kill Shepard?
The destroyer at the beginning shot 2 shuttles. Whippy do da. Why didn't it fire at the Normandy since its a bigger threat then 2 puny shuttles?
What do I care about ants?
The reapers may be able to fire in multiple directions, but they didn't with fleets approaching Earth and from what I saw there were only a handful of them firing. Why? If there so awesome or whatever, why are they not all firing?
It's an analogy, I'm trying to humor you.
The real reason is because it would have been much more difficult to animate the scene then and there were deadlines to be met. They can't aim horizontally because that would make the combat sections much more difficult and Shepard would die (which would happen 100% of the time, realistically).
If that's the case why is the reaper on Tuchanka trying to crush Shepard? Why would the reaper on Rannoch want to kill Shepard?
The destroyer at the beginning shot 2 shuttles. Whippy do da. Why didn't it fire at the Normandy since its a bigger threat then 2 puny shuttles?
Getting Shepard's body (at least in some condition) is not the same as getting him alive. It should be fairly obvious that the Reapers want Shepard's body dead or alive from Wilson's betrayal, Harbinger's taunts, Arrival and from Collectors' actions from Mass Effect 2 and Redemption.
Look how well that went when they had Shepard for 2 days unconscious on that asteroid. The reapers are idiots. But since they're controlled by the Leviathan turd then its the idiot.
Getting Shepard's body (at least in some condition) is not the same as getting him alive. It should be fairly obvious that the Reapers want Shepard's body dead or alive from Wilson's betrayal, Harbinger's taunts, Arrival and from Collectors' actions from Mass Effect 2 and Redemption.
They frequently use weapons that can evaporate though, meaning no body left.
It doesn't make any sense why the krogan would want a genophage cure unless they planned on expanding to other planets. 1000 eggs per clutch is simply a ridiculous number, and if the krogan were confined to Tuchanka, it would take a couple of generations for it to be completely depleted just like the Drell homeworld Rakhana due to massive overpopulation.
With the Genophage, krogan live in a wasteland (that they have created due to their own nihilistic tendencies) with a reasonable population growth rate. Without it, they live in an overpopulated, resource depleted wasteland fighting over mouthfuls of water and scraps of food, or they go off trying to conquer other planets and endangering every other species in the galaxy.
I wish there was an option to explain to Wrex and the krogan why population control is necessary for them and have them listen, but the genophage arc gets the same dualistic, ham fisted treatment as everything else in ME3. Cure=good sabotage=bad ignores that the cure option results in a far worse fate for the krogan. At least under the Genophage, they don't go extinct due to overpopulation or being exterminated in a war of expansion.
I think the real problem is that the series started giving us actual numbers, when it should have been vague. In ME1, it was established that the genophage ensured that the krogan's ability to wage war while maintaining a viable population was significantly reduced, so if they were to go to war with anything for any reason, they run the risk of rendering themselves a critically endangered species. So the population is stable, but only so long as they don't wage war with anything, whether it be some alien species or each other, and that they are always a hair away from shrinking into extinction.
With that, it would be the perfect time to bargain, because as it is, they get nothing out of the deal. Even if the galaxy is saved, what's left of them may likely not be enough to start over.
Damn it, man, you just had to post a quote I'd end up looking up. I just got sucked into reading half of the "Song of Ice and Fire" article on Wikiquote. I'm left with no choice now but to start watching Game of Thrones.I'd argue that any morality that constitutes letting the galaxy burn for the sake of moral principle is immoral.
'There is no creature on earth half so terrifying as a truly just man'
Damn it, man, you just had to post a quote I'd end up looking up. I just got sucked into reading half of the "Song of Ice and Fire" article on Wikiquote. I'm left with no choice now but to start watching Game of Thrones.
I'll have you know I'm blaming you for this.
You can start here:
http://www.watch-tvs...ame-of-Thrones/
It's totally free, and you should be able to watch it without any problems. Just scroll down to the episode list and start.
Read the books, is my recommendation. Or, read the ASOIAF Wiki and TV Tropes Character page. Despite my aversion for the quote, I actually love the character it's referring too. Stannis Baratheon is awesome. Also, look up R+L=J on google images and see what my avatar is. It's a fan-theory, so it's not technically a spoiler, but it's considered very likely.
My favorite characters are Jaime Lannister, Jon Snow, Stannis Baratheon, Tyrion Lannister, Sandor Clegane, Tywin Lannister, Oberyn Martell, Victarion Greyjoy, Bronn, Davos Seaworth, and Doran Martell. They're all incredible. Including many non-mentioned characters. Every one of them is fascinating.
ASOIAF is hands down the best series I have ever read.
I like Daenerys too, I just don't want to see her succeed. I love her while hating her at the same time. It's hard to describe. I don't love to hate her, but I legit love her and thinks she's an entitled, self-superior, deluded idiot with a messiah complex and who never has to face reality in the series... yet. Martin's definitely setting her up for a fall though.
Which you can see coming from miles away. You can take appropriate action if necessary. Invite them to sign up for the treaty of Farixen (making the ratio 10:6:2:1, where 1 is the Krogan). They decline? You take down their factories.
They keep pressuring for a fleet? You nuke one of their planets from orbit.
Keeping the genophage in place serves no purpose other than to prevent something that might happen. Something that you can avoid from happening even in they try. The Krogan aren't Cerberus who can magically pop out a fleet rivaling the rest of the galaxy.
You can start here:
http://www.watch-tvs...ame-of-Thrones/
It's totally free, and you should be able to watch it without any problems. Just scroll down to the episode list and start.
Read the books, is my recommendation. Or, read the ASOIAF Wiki and TV Tropes Character page. Despite my aversion for the quote, I actually love the character it's referring too. Stannis Baratheon is awesome. Also, look up R+L=J on google images and see what my avatar is. It's a fan-theory, so it's not technically a spoiler, but it's considered very likely.
My favorite characters are Jaime Lannister, Jon Snow, Stannis Baratheon, Tyrion Lannister, Sandor Clegane, Tywin Lannister, Oberyn Martell, Victarion Greyjoy, Bronn, Davos Seaworth, and Doran Martell. They're all incredible. Including many non-mentioned characters. Every one of them is fascinating.
ASOIAF is hands down the best series I have ever read.
I like Daenerys too, I just don't want to see her succeed. I love her while hating her at the same time. It's hard to describe. I don't love to hate her, but I legit love her and thinks she's an entitled, self-superior, deluded idiot with a messiah complex and who never has to face reality in the series... yet. Martin's definitely setting her up for a fall though.
I feel like you've been waiting to tell someone about ASoIaF/GoT for a while now.
I feel like you've been waiting to tell someone about ASoIaF/GoT for a while now.
I have been.
Patriarch said the Krogan young kill each other off....
offtopic: the Krogan clutch size, from a biological standpoint, is ridiculous. Low availability of food and high predation risk selects for lower clutch size, not massive clutch size, provided the Krogan rear their young (of which I think we know nothing.. at least I dont). But that's a whole different story
Patriarch said the Krogan young kill each other off.
Indeed, but the krogan biologically should never have evolved that way in the first place. They are large creatures with hugely long life expectancies. There is zero reason why they would need large clutches to produce a viable amount of surviving offspring, and it just decreases the amount of food for those left without increasing their survivability at all. Natural selection would have favoured females who produced smaller clutches.
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Indeed, but the krogan biologically should never have evolved that way in the first place. They are large creatures with hugely long life expectancies. There is zero reason why they would need large clutches to produce a viable amount of surviving offspring, and it just decreases the amount of food for those left without increasing their survivability at all. Natural selection would have favoured females who produced smaller clutches.
http://en.wikipedia....election_theory
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