Unless they are written to do so. I can see a secret Krogan shipyard arc in ME4 if they were to go post reaper war.
Patriarch said the Krogan young kill each other off.
Damn it, man, you just had to post a quote I'd end up looking up. I just got sucked into reading half of the "Song of Ice and Fire" article on Wikiquote. I'm left with no choice now but to start watching Game of Thrones.
I'll have you know I'm blaming you for this.
I'd say go for the books. The writing in the TV show is pretty mediocre for the most part, and it's pretty much dependent on Martin's books as a crutch.
Honestly, I think I would. Krogan are ridiculously aggressive and I don't see them contributing anything to the galaxy at large aside from weapons. Given the ability to expand, they created a war, and I don't see them evolving out of it. Folks like Eve are the exception, not the rule.
Unless they are written to do so. I can see a secret Krogan shipyard arc in ME4 if they were to go post reaper war.
STG would have to be pretty stupid that the krogan could hide an entire shipyard without them seeing it, and unless the krogan have a huge stockpile of eezo deep underground, there's no way they could hide the shipments of materials they'd require to get a starship into orbit.
STG would have to be pretty stupid that the krogan could hide an entire shipyard without them seeing it, and unless the krogan have a huge stockpile of eezo deep underground, there's no way they could hide the shipments of materials they'd require to get a starship into orbit.
Assuming they even have the knowledge and skill to build a dreadnought.
Honestly, I think I would. Krogan are ridiculously aggressive and I don't see them contributing anything to the galaxy at large aside from weapons. Given the ability to expand, they created a war, and I don't see them evolving out of it. Folks like Eve are the exception, not the rule.
Don't you mean wouldn't? 
All this fear of Krogan starting a war is ridiculous. They have no ships.
Plans for expansion would likely play second fiddle to the civil war to determine clan dominance. Sounds like Christmas for Grunt. Even if a post-war galaxy doesn't really have the resources to go on an all out war with a fast-reproducing species like the krogan so soon, the krogan are even worse off in terms of resources to so much as get off the ground. The only species that would be able to quickly build ships in a short period of time would be the rachni, and they'd sooner see the entirety of krogan civilization razed to the ground.
Plans for expansion would likely play second fiddle to the civil war to determine clan dominance. Sounds like Christmas for Grunt. Even if a post-war galaxy doesn't really have the resources to go on an all out war with a fast-reproducing species like the krogan so soon, the krogan are even worse off in terms of resources to so much as get off the ground. The only species that would be able to quickly build ships in a short period of time would be the rachni, and they'd sooner see the entirety of krogan civilization razed to the ground.
And Humans, by the power of Cerberus
Well, a Cerberus-like organization would be inevitable, so long as space is littered with vastly powerful alien military forces. They all have a stake in the future of the krogan, so they would probably sooner nuke Tuchanka until even Kalros was complaining about the heat.
I think the real problem is that the series started giving us actual numbers, when it should have been vague. In ME1, it was established that the genophage ensured that the krogan's ability to wage war while maintaining a viable population was significantly reduced, so if they were to go to war with anything for any reason, they run the risk of rendering themselves a critically endangered species. So the population is stable, but only so long as they don't wage war with anything, whether it be some alien species or each other, and that they are always a hair away from shrinking into extinction.
With that, it would be the perfect time to bargain, because as it is, they get nothing out of the deal. Even if the galaxy is saved, what's left of them may likely not be enough to start over.
Wasn't the thing about the Krogan that they were evolved to have a stable population only in times of conflict? Not full-scale war with another species, but just their constant infighting,from the clan wars down to hatchlings killing each other in the nest. In fact, it's only because Tuchanka is so inherently dangerous that their population's been kept relatively stable, on a nice, safe garden world they'd explode. It would be great if they could adopt peace, but they'd need to take on selective breeding system like the Salarians use. After the Genophage they aren't thinking about it, which is fair enough since they're sending thousands off to die on Palaven and elsewhere, but down the road they ought to slow down.
Does any of you guys ever stop and wonder what our world would look like without condoms, the pill and abortion? I'm sure the Krogan equivalents of these things can be discovered in a heartbeat.
And for all I care, they beat their excess eggs to pulp or cull their young to control their population, if for some miraculous reason Krogan can't wear a condom or pop a pill. Everything is better than leaving a female able to become pregnant, but almost completely inable to produce live offspring. I don't have much problem, if any, with artificially controlling their birthrates (it's not like condoms are natural or something ), but the way the Genophague works is too cruel to be acceptable. I have a problem with the lifelong psychological torment inflicted on the Krogan, and Krogan females in particular.
Ever talked to a woman who miscarried once? Imagine miscarrying every time for as long as you live. Which for Krogan isn't decades, but centuries up until and over a millenium.
The use of anti-conception in the MEU seems to be nonexistent though...
Does any of you guys ever stop and wonder what our world would look like without condoms, the pill and abortion? I'm sure the Krogan equivalents of these things can be discovered in a heartbeat.
And for all I care, they beat their excess eggs to pulp or cull their young to control their population, if for some miraculous reason Krogan can't wear a condom or pop a pill. Everything is better than leaving a female able to become pregnant, but almost completely inable to produce live offspring. I don't have much problem, if any, with artificially controlling their birthrates (it's not like condoms are natural or something
Ever talked to a woman who miscarried once? Imagine miscarrying every time for as long as you live. Which for Krogan isn't decades, but centuries up until and over a millenium.
The use of anti-conception in the MEU seems to be nonexistent though...
All true, I also agree that the Genophage's way of working is just horrible. But I guess we can only use the information as it's presented in the series, and for some bizarre reason, whatever it might be (oversight, oversimplification, whatever), Krogan apparently do not seem to possess the concept of contraception. I guess it can be explained by the Krogan's way of life and the habitat on Tuchanka render contraception useless because they needed to produce large numbers to thrive, seems that their take on contraception is jut killing the baby decades after they've already been born... Really the Genophage does for the Krogan what contraception is supposed to, albeit in a really unpleasant way.
End of the day I suppose it all boils down to Krogan just being dense. It looks to me like the majority of them haven't even had the sense to learn a lesson from the Krogan Rebellions and the consequences. So I stand by my position that until they correct their social issues the Genophage should stay, nasty as it is.
Guest_alleyd_*
Assuming they even have the knowledge and skill to build a dreadnought.
There was a Cerberus Daily News entry about the Krogan that could reference their ability to construct dreadnoughts
16/2/2010
“C-Sec authorities have arrested a turian lawmaker on the Citadel who was funding a krogan project to rebuild a dreadnought on the planet of Tuchanka. Ellis Valterus, duarch of the Meade Cluster, smuggled everything from blueprints to rare materials to backpacks full of cash to the Talyth clan, according to C-Sec officials. The sting operation to capture Valterus took one and a half years. If successfully prosecuted, Valterus faces life in prison with no possibility of parole.”
All true, I also agree that the Genophage's way of working is just horrible. But I guess we can only use the information as it's presented in the series, and for some bizarre reason, whatever it might be (oversight, oversimplification, whatever), Krogan apparently do not seem to possess the concept of contraception. I guess it can be explained by the Krogan's way of life and the habitat on Tuchanka render contraception useless because they needed to produce large numbers to thrive, seems that their take on contraception is jut killing the baby decades after they've already been born... Really the Genophage does for the Krogan what contraception is supposed to, albeit in a really unpleasant way.
End of the day I suppose it all boils down to Krogan just being dense. It looks to me like the majority of them haven't even had the sense to learn a lesson from the Krogan Rebellions and the consequences. So I stand by my position that until they correct their social issues the Genophage should stay, nasty as it is.
You could also just cure the genophage and have the Krogan fix the problem on their own. If they can't, the problem will fix itself.
It's not just the Krogan btw who don't use contraception. Nobody does. It doesn't exist in the MEU.
There was a Cerberus Daily News entry about the Krogan that could reference their ability to construct dreadnoughts
16/2/2010
“C-Sec authorities have arrested a turian lawmaker on the Citadel who was funding a krogan project to rebuild a dreadnought on the planet of Tuchanka. Ellis Valterus, duarch of the Meade Cluster, smuggled everything from blueprints to rare materials to backpacks full of cash to the Talyth clan, according to C-Sec officials. The sting operation to capture Valterus took one and a half years. If successfully prosecuted, Valterus faces life in prison with no possibility of parole.”
Ah, never heard that one. (that date seems horrible wrong btw 
4,5 years in the past from now)
Guest_alleyd_*
Ah, never heard that one. (that date seems horrible wrong btw
Hahaha. The WIKI lists the CDN entries in real world dates, not MEU ones. The MEU date for the entry for be 2185
I loved those Cerberus Daily news articles, they helped flesh out the MEU. The Alliance News Network ones weren't as good 
Guest_alleyd_*
I loved those Cerberus Daily news articles, they helped flesh out the MEU. The Alliance News Network ones weren't as good
I was the same. Used many of them for a fan fiction project. Transposing them into an ME3 timeline and involving the crew in some of the campaigns:- Garvug. Taetrus, Virtual Aliens and some other stuff.
If they're so awesome, why can't the reaper on Tuchanka fire its beam horizontally at Shepard killing him/her? Why can't the reaper on Rannoch fire its beam at Shepard horzontally killing him/her? Why can't the reaper in London fire its beam at the missiles on the vehicle? Why doesn't Harbinger fire its beam at the Normandy in front of the beam? Why can't the reapers fire their beams horizontally at the approaching fleets over Earth?
It literally boils down to rule of cool, Bioware wanted all these cool cutscenes and sequences, all at the expense of consistency, common sense and a coherent plot, something which I really hope they don't do again in future installments. I really wish Bioware had resisted the urge to make Mass Effect 3, and to a lesser extent Mass Effect 2, blockbuster action movies, and given us a consistent and well written story instead which stayed true to established lore.
Yes, this would have meant that the trilogy would have ended with the Reapers steam rolling the galaxy and continuing the cycles forever, but hey, no one could turn around and say that ending wasn't consistent with what we knew about them or, oh god I hate this phrase, was full of "plot holes". If written well, the journey towards inevitable defeat could have turned out to be one of the most engaging, emotional and impactful stories in the history of the medium, but nope, we got a summer action movie and rule of cool instead, with all the bad writing included.
Such lost potential.
But, oh yeah, Genophage, Krogan dumb, Salarian intelligent, so sabotage it!!!
"The way the genophage worked was horrible". Well yes, only because it got retconned to make it all nasty in a rather obvious manipulation attempt. Previously it seemed to be simply infertility. Anyway, miscarriage and producing eggs? Doesn't really add up.
The genophage is a bit like the Quarians reaction to open environments. It changes with every game! At least in ME2 though it was done to introduce us to Mordin.
The use of anti-conception in the MEU seems to be nonexistent though...
Contraceptives are probably one of those things that don't really need much in the way of fleshing out in Mass Effect. Like, we don't have to have Shepard apply a c*ck ring that emits a mass effect field...
or do we?
Contraceptives are probably one of those things that don't really need much in the way of fleshing out in Mass Effect. Like, we don't have to have Shepard apply a c*ck ring that emits a mass effect field...
or do we?
giggity
Best contraceptive is NerveStim Pro.
Contraceptives are probably one of those things that don't really need much in the way of fleshing out in Mass Effect. Like, we don't have to have Shepard apply a c*ck ring that emits a mass effect field...
or do we?
It does when you give the Krogan a clutch size of a 1000 eggs. Then it needs fleshing out, as evidenced by this thread where everybody assumes the Krogan will pop out a 1000 young ones per batch.
But I'm hinging towards it never being mentioned even sideways for the same reason people have sex in their underwear in the MEU. And the more I think about things like this, the more it annoys me. You can, effortlessly and with zero repercussions commit genocide, but God forbid we meddle in God's fertility plans (with Humans, who cares about the Krogan?) or see some nipples.
I'm amazed we can be dismissive of Ashley's religious views at all.
"The way the genophage worked was horrible". Well yes, only because it got retconned to make it all nasty in a rather obvious manipulation attempt. Previously it seemed to be simply infertility. Anyway, miscarriage and producing eggs? Doesn't really add up.
That whole miscarriage and laying eggs contradiction always makes me laugh, its makes no bloody sense. Bioware were really determined to emotionally manipulate people into making a nonsensical decision it seems. Terrible writing all round.
Or the young dies in the egg already. Which would probably be the egg equivalent of a miscarriage.
But yeah, it's stupid, but that doesn't make it untrue. In the game it's the truth.
Overal, in every possible aspect, the Krogan are a biological mess. Everything, from their regeneration to their clutch size is absolutely ridiculous in terms of evolution.
Retour en haut