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[masster blaster]

After reading about the templar order and seeing them in the game playes of mine. i have grown to actually like  them. If you were to change the templar order how would you do it and why? For me I would have the templars hunt blood mages only and leave the peaceful mages to simply be. the circle tower should house criminals that are mages of the dark arts/blood magic. They should also be punished if they tried to provoke the mages into committing a crime and the chantry should not command the templars to have the mages worship the maker and remind them about the black city.

 

In short Templars should be less idiotic, stuck up, and more of a well order that deals with mages for the right reasons and fight demons! let the new face of the templar order begin!

[QueenofFereldan]

If I had to change them...I would say change the Circle to something than just a prettied up prison for the mages. Have them watch over the mages as they train and they go through with the Harrowing. However, if the mage passes, they allow the mages to leave the tower or to stay, whichever they choose. In a way, it gives the mages freedom while the Templars ensure that they are trained in a safe place. As for the Rite of Tranquility, they reserve it for those that are either too dangerous (not power wise, more of their mental state) or those who choose to.

[cjones91]

Get rid of the extremists,change how the Templars are taught to treat mages,recruit those who won't let their views on magic effect how they do their job.

[rapscallioness]

I would put the current Templars thru lyrium detox, and vow to never enslave another young person coming into the order with that stuff again.

 

and I'd let mages join the Templars.There are plenty of mages that would rather not have demons and abominations running amok.

[TheKomandorShepard]

How i would change templar?

First separate them from the chantry and their teaching as they made them weak.

Second teach them what is the difference between shovel and staff

Third made them hunt every mage and hunt them systematically

Four take recruits when they are very young and train them so they were competent and completely ruthless toward mages.

[Snook]

Teach them the wise philosophy of not being a raging arsehole. Or, make it so more than 10% of their ranks actually listen to that particular lesson. 

[masster blaster]

How i would change templar?

First separate them from the chantry and their teaching as they made them weak.

Second teach them what is the difference between shovel and staff

Third made them hunt every mage and hunt them systematically

Four take recruits when they are very young and train them so they were competent and completely ruthless toward mages.

not bad lol.

[Medhia_Nox]

I would separate the Templars from the Chantry and make them a secular organization.  Each nation would govern it's own group of Templars and treat mages in accordance with the laws of that state. The Order itself would not teach a philosophy concerning the treatment of mages - it would only be a training academy.

[TheKomandorShepard]

This is why yesterday I've decided to avoid mage-templar/elf threads. I know I'm somewhat guilty of this behavior when it comes to Orlais. But at least I'm open to a civil debate and don't advocate genocide.

Im also open to civil discussion not my fault that peoples tend react too emotionally to my security measures.

[Snore]

The Templars are fine as they are.

[Inprea]

I'm pretty strongly opposed to the templar order however if I was trying to save them as an organization the first changes I would make is to accountability. There is way too much claims of ignorance of subordinates actions and way too much use of following orders to justify behavior. To reduce this a code of conduct would be developed and that code would hold rank over all other things. If a superior violates the code then their subordinates are obligated to correct their actions and superiors would be held accountable to some degree for every action of their subordinates. Revisions to the code would require a council involving the mages and the templars because the mages must have a say in the rules that govern their community. After all the united states rebelled in part because we didn't have enough say in our taxes. How much more upsetting must it be have no say if you can send more troops to help your king free his people or drive back an invading army of darkness?

 

I'd also want to implement retroactive reparations and penalties. If any of the templars that prevented the mages from aiding Maric were still alive for example they'd be put on trial for treason against their home nation. Those that aided Meredith in suppressing Kirkwall's political machine would also be dealt with.

 

There would also be no more acting like an invading army. if the elfs want to keep their keepers and are either staying away from human controlled lands or the humans have no complaints then leave them alone. If the local baron says he doesn't want the templars on his land then stay off.

[Lulupab]

I'm going to be honest here, I can't get to value a Templar's life equality as I do other people in the game. If I'm given the decision to save either a Templar or another person who is not a Templar, I will always choose the latter. Mages are aware what their brethren do, and fight them I.E many mages are completely against blood magic, the questioning here is what I value. Templars on the other hand (at least to the extent that we have seen and read about them) follow the orders blindly and without questioning. Of course as long as they are paid and fed ( with Lyrium, money etc...). This is wrong on so many levels and this makes them a sheep and history shows us how leaders can abuse these sheep-personality people who just follow. The character who has an H in his name in real life comes to mind but I don't want to get into that as its not allowed. Bottom line is Templars need to get their **** together or I'm going to keep the promise I made to Justice:





In other words, I agree with:

[Cainhurst Crow]

I'd add in a stronger system of checks and balances, try to push for higher accountability, and that's about it really. The circle system as it stands is pretty good for what chips have been dealt. Mages can't just be left on their own or things can go really bad really quickly, such as what we've seen with even just feynriel or conner let alone all the rogue mages in DA2. Criminals exist in all walks of life, that includes mages, and a mage criminal can cause a lot more destruction then a non-mage, and so greater steps of protection must be taken. However, just as leaving the mages alone to enforce laws can lead to problems, especially if fraternities start stacking their enforcers against one another in vies of power, one can't leave it all to the templars and not present them with a system to keep them fair. The templars keep the things operating in the towers fair, so the templars need something to keep them fair as well, so everything ends up working not perfectly, but pretty good and peaceful.

 

Mages need policing and templars are the police, all that's needed is routes for recourse from both sides as well as a means of accounting for both sides, and the circle as it stands works.

 

Hell, tevinter has a circle system, so if the pro-mage dictatorship can even say its a good idea why shouldn't the rest of thedas as well on the matter?

[Panda]

Templars would be 1) Guardian force of the mage schools and 2) Special police force that hunts criminal mages.

[Icy Magebane]

I agree with the idea that the Templars need a stronger internal affairs branch to investigate and severely punish any breach in conduct.  The Kirkwall Templars, for example, were abusive as a rule, and Meredith either didn't care or endorsed the behavior.  They need some kind of oversight, and not even Knight-commanders should be above scrutiny.

[Harlot]

Well. I really hope the game will reflect properly the fact my Inquisitor will be a templar (or will learn to be one).

While Origins and Dragon Age 2 presented Templars as mostly assholes we have to realize they were in a slightly shitty situation each time (abominations running amok and a madwoman for a knight commander) so I don't see their representation in games as a typical templar behavior.

That said I think that some of the "changing" has already been done for us. The templar order has split prior to Inquisition and some went to the extreme (Red Templars) while others... well... we don't know that much about the rest. I'd definitely would like to mend the schism rather than just eliminate the side I disagree with (or both of them in this case afaik). I reckon the event of the templar-mage war will leave plenty of possibilities to influence the order's shape. That and Divinie Justinia V. Shame she came by so late as she seems to be a force for change.

So while seperation from the Chantry could work I also think that Templars could change and benefit greatly with help of the current Divine (and Morrigan's and my Inquisitor's whispers) without splitting from the Chantry. I reckon guaranteeing mages at least a few political positions close to the divine and in every nation (maybe in form of advisors or ambassadors) would help the nations of Thedas come up with more reasonable solutions than a fantastic version of Gulag.

I reckon what could also be usefull is a more practical understanding of magic by templars themselves. I'm talking about the arts of Spirit Warriors. With those the Fade wouldn't be that much of a mystery and maybe with less fear and misunderstanding the attitudes of templars wouldn't change only towards the mages but also towards the spirit world itself. And, like Solas says, this might be an important step to making the use of magic and Fade itself less dangerous.

 

Some PR would help too. Making mages help out with repairs, burning of grasses (important in farming), broadly available healing arts under the supervision of Templars. That would make some mages join voluntarily in time.

Yeah. Those are a few off the top of my head .

[TK514]

The Templars are fine.  The Seekers need reform.  For whatever reason, at some point in the last two decades they stopped doing their job, namely monitoring the Templars and intervening when necessary.  This allowed otherwise unsuitable persons to rise into positions of authority, and otherwise unacceptable behaviors to continue unchecked.

 

With a properly functioning Seeker organization, you would have a return to the Circles so many characters talk about, where Mages have rights, freedoms and dignity within the constraints of maintaining a generally safe segregation from the populace.

[Lulupab]

I was almost sure Cullen will not be companion, we shouldn't have full fledged Templars as companions. Because lets be honest here, there is 99% chance they will have a close-minded view on everything magic related and will be the most annoying companion ever made and their duty will demand them to kill you. This is why Grey Wardens almost never recruit Templars as well, unless the said person is willing to put away his Templar beliefs before joining (such as Alistair and Rolan), although Rolan was lying and never stopped being a Templar and he was simply spying on Anders. Templars are zealots and zealotry is always bad for business.

[TK514]

When it comes to whiny and annoying companions, they already set the bar at almost unassailable heights with Anders.  I have a hard time imagining someone more annoying or less likable.

[TheJediSaint]

Templars along the line of Evangaline would make cool companions.  Templar could also be a cool background for a player character.

[Lulupab]

When it comes to whiny and annoying companions, they already set the bar at almost unassailable heights with Anders.  I have a hard time imagining someone more annoying or less likable.

He doesn't have a duty to kill you and actually looks away many times when you support the Templars. A templar's duty is to turn on you if you support mages against Templars.

Fenris was fine, he whined but he was no Templar so again he could be a companion, although he shared many of their views, he was not obligated to do anything.

Companions cannot be full fledged Templars. Ex-templars are fine however if they really left that behind.

[Lulupab]

Templars along the line of Evangaline would make cool companions.  Templar could also be a cool background for a player character.

Practically she betrayed the Templar order so we return to my previous argument. She didn't follow the rules she was supposed to.

[TheJediSaint]

Practically she betrayed the Templar order so we return to my previous argument. She didn't follow the rules she was supposed to.

She didn't betray the Templars.  She remained committed to the Templar order's ideals as she saw them.  It was Lambert she couldn't follow.

[TK514]

The Templars are not obligated to kill every mage, either.  They aren't even obligated to imprison every mage.  Meredith explicitly names Hawke Champion and then orders the Templars to leave them alone for years.  Wilhelm lived and had a family in Honnleath.  Exceptional individuals can be granted leniency, and our parties are always made of exceptional individuals.  One line of dialog would be all it took to keep a Templar party member from ever making an unprovoked aggressive move towards anyone in the party.