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#226
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The moment you start ignoring laws, the rule of law doesn't mean jack sh*t.

 

"I don't think that banks are legal. They discriminate against the poor. So I robbed one."

 

"Then you're breaking the law."

 

"I don't care. The law is stupid."

 

"Then we're going to shoot you now."

 

"But you can't! I have a right to a trial."

 

"I don't care. The law is stupid."

 

Yet the mages aren't the only ones that have broken the law. What do you think ignoring the word of the king would be considered?



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Yeah for example like tevinter eee no that is bad example or maybe zathrian , merril , marethari velanna or Quentin... But lets be honest even if mage blow up the city for money it is because mages are vilified :crying:
it is everything templars fault! :angry:

But to be serious damn how many times i have to say it isn't about evil or good it is about explosion...

So?
I wouldn't care still a threat to me.

Have you read the comics and novels?
er, why did you mention marethari? The woman sealed the demon to save Merrill. That's a pretty big plus Imo.
Tevinter mages like Dorian and Maevaris, acknowledging that the current path tevinter is on is destructive and needs to change again, another plus imo.

Not all mages go boom either. Its been proven. The only time a mage goes nova is when they're pushed into it by fear and anger.
obviously im not referring to mages seeking destruction ala Anders, or Titus, but in addressing your walking time bomb concept.

Also, regarding child, poor kid.

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No. Those mages were born in Ferelden and considered it their home land

 

That seems like a broad sweeping statement if i ever heard one.

 

 

They should have all be hung for treason.

 

For not being able to join a rebellion? And breaking one of the very reasons for the circle's inception? Staying out of the wars between nations.

 

 

 

A rare exception doesn't disprove the rule.

 

If you want to be an exception to the rule, you have to be an exception.



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And laws like that shoould be ignored since they are discriminatory.


This seems like the sort of statement someone from a social group who has never faced discriminatory laws would say.

If you break a law, it's very likely you'll be punished for it. If you're part of a group that has laws designed specifically for you, said punishment is likely to be serious.

Like having a lynch mob hang you, getting stoned to death, or being decapitated.

Would you really tell a black man in Reconstruction South, "Just go over and drink from that water fountain that says Whites Only?"
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And if mages didn't resort to drastic measures they wouldn't be vilified as much.

And it's the debate that never ends, cause it goes on and on again. Some people started fighting while not knowing what it was, and they'll continue fighting it forever just because...


They shouldn't need to resort to any measures in the first place.
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#231
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His lines led me to believe that Dumat had told him that given that he often addresed Dumat aloud and was distressed when he found no answer. It seems to me that it is more likely the Old Gods did contact them about the Golden City, but I suppose you are free to believe otherwise, though I'd call it a long shot. But then, Bioware can easily decide to confirm your theory. But, going on the information we have so far, it appears that the Magisters were the first to visit the Golden City. The first mortals, anyway.

 

It's not really my theory, I simply don't think Corypheus clarifies anything, due to how many debates spring up over the meaning of his statements.


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This seems like the sort of statement someone from a social group who has never faced discriminatory laws would say.

If you break a law, it's very likely you'll be punished for it. If you're part of a group that has laws designed specifically for you, said punishment is likely to be serious.

Like having a lynch mob hang you, getting stoned to death, or being decapitated.

Would you really tell a black man in Reconstruction South, "Just go over and drink from that water fountain that says Whites Only?"

I have never faced discrimination luckily but laws like that were fought against by those who were.There used to be a law that said slavery is legal yet in both DA's world and the real one it's outlawed in the majority of places.



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They shouldn't need to resort to any measures in the first place.


They should have been born normal then and not had a connection to the demon realm that lets you shoot fireballs on a whim.

But people don't get to choose how they're born, and it's not in peoples nature to bend the knee to those who lord power over them. So we come here at last, in a struggle between the safety of the many and the freedom of the few.
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#234
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It's not really my theory, I simply don't think Corypheus clarifies anything, due to how many debates spring up over the meaning of his statements.


Perhaps. All he does clarify is that the magisters did enter the Black City.

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If anything that kinda helps my theory that the Black City was a prison to hold the Taint

Nice theory! :)
and i wonder who/what it was that enticed the magisters to enter the city in the first place to release the taint?

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Then I'd happily live my life as a criminal, screw em.


This is excellent evidence that BioWare has failed to make Thedas a dark fantasy setting.
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Nice theory! :)
and i wonder who/what it was that enticed the magisters to enter the city in the first place to release the taint?

 

The Old Gods probably



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They should have been born normal then and not had a connection to the demon realm that lets you shoot fireballs on a whim.

hahahaha
you know normal people visit the fade when they sleep right?
also, how do you choose to be born normal? If i had any choice on the matter id be stronger than superman with powers that would put the marvel universe to shame hahaha

Also, not all mages lord their powers over everyone.

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This is excellent evidence that BioWare has failed to make Thedas a dark fantasy setting.


Not reallly, I'd just deal with whatever cards life dealt me. No point in whining about it.

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Have you read the comics and novels?
er, why did you mention marethari? The woman sealed the demon to save Merrill. That's a pretty big plus Imo.
Tevinter mages like Dorian and Maevaris, acknowledging that the current path tevinter is on is destructive and needs to change again, another plus imo.

Not all mages go boom either. Its been proven. The only time a mage goes nova is when they're pushed into it by fear and anger.
obviously im not referring to mages seeking destruction ala Anders, or Titus, but in addressing your walking time bomb concept.

Also, regarding child, poor kid.

Some of them but not all.

That you choose to become abomnation because of love isn't better than other reasons same for quentin actions...

 

Not all but many do and you can't tell who will and who won't and that isn't true at all tevinter magisters , Anders , Quentin ,Zathrian and many others.As i said mages are walking bomb regardless of their morality.

 

What kid?  



#241
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hahahaha

 

I don't know why it's funny.

 

It's a freedom vs safety argument, it has legitimacy.



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Walking time bombs....
perhaps if magic wasn't vilified there would be fewer mages resorting to drastic measures.

You do realise that not all mages are evil right?
 

 

It has nothing to do with a mage being evil or vilified. I loose control because I am put in a emotionally charged position I punch someone. because I lost control of my restraint. Oh well they have a black eye or fat lip. If I was a mage its likely they are dead because set them on fire, turned them to stone, or ended up getting possessed (yes THAT IS PART OF THE SETTING mages that lose their self control and are far more likely to be posseed) level a few city blocks.

 

Its not about evil its about self-control and to think mages are any better or can not do major damage and death when they lose it is silly.
 



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Walking time bombs....
perhaps if magic wasn't vilified there would be fewer mages resorting to drastic measures.

You do realise that not all mages are evil right?
Marethari was a beautiful character, Wynne, Maevaris and Dorian, those mages are decent beings.

Also, in thedas, a child can be born with magic even within a family not known to produce any magical affinity.
What would you do if your child displayed such talent?

that's what i asked you, you replied so, still a threat to me (you), hence why i said poor kid.

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This seems like the sort of statement someone from a social group who has never faced discriminatory laws would say.

If you break a law, it's very likely you'll be punished for it. If you're part of a group that has laws designed specifically for you, said punishment is likely to be serious.

Like having a lynch mob hang you, getting stoned to death, or being decapitated.

Would you really tell a black man in Reconstruction South, "Just go over and drink from that water fountain that says Whites Only?"

I dunno...I had a friend who drove to another state to get an abortion because it was illegal to have one where we lived at the time.  Didn't stop her from doing what she wanted.  And there were laws that could jail her for such an action.

 

I agree on that point of Reconstruction South, to an extent.  I don't think everyone would necessarily tell the black man, but the choice was his to make, and the suggestion is not rightfully mine as I am not a part of the minority group that suffered under such laws.  And in some cases they certainly did choose to defy the hegemony, presumably for the higher goal of a civil rights movement.  Such a statement ignores the fact that people were willing to suffer the consequences of defying laws they disagreed with in order to facilitate reform.  Evolving standards of decency don't just pop out of nowhere because the hegemony decides it's feeling kindly.



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hahahaha
you know normal people visit the fade when they sleep right?
also, how do you choose to be born normal? If i had any choice on the matter id be stronger than superman with powers that would put the marvel universe to shame hahaha

Also, not all mages lord their powers over everyone.


lol for not reading my full post with comprehensive skills.

Normal people don't shoot fireballs out of their hands on a whim, or get possessed from reading a book/taking a nap.

I already went over this, people don't get to choose how they're born, so a lot of people get born with no way of combating the magic mages have inherently, and thus creating a need for the mages to be policed more strictly. A one eyed man is king in the land of the blind, and a mage is a king when the rest of the people lack their gifted curses.

And I don't see how any of this absolves mages of taking extreme actions in the first place.
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#246
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I don't know why it's funny.

It's a freedom vs safety argument, it has legitimacy.

i was laughing at you saying they should be born normal.

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It has nothing to do with a mage being evil or vilified. I loose control because I am put in a emotionally charged position I punch someone. because I lost control of my restraint. Oh well they have a black eye or fat lip. If I was a mage its likely they are dead because set them on fire, turned them to stone, or ended up getting possessed (yes THAT IS PART OF THE SETTING mages that lose their self control and are far more likely to be posseed) level a few city blocks.

 

Its not about evil its about self-control and to think mages are any better or can not do major damage and death when they lose it is silly.
 

...You could still be charged with battery if you punched someone.  Just saying.

 

EDIT: 'Kay, fixed.  Sorry about that!



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...You could still be charged with assault if you punched someone.  Just saying.

 

 

Battery- You are actually striking them, not making them feel threatened or uncomfortable.


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i was laughing at you saying they should be born normal.


It's true. That's about the only way any of this gets resolved fairly, if everyone were born the same normal way.

But that isn't what makes life what it is and we don't choose how we are born or in what circumstances. It's about making the best with the chips dealt, not demanding everyone elses give up their chips so you can have a precieved notion of equality not backed by actual facts.

Those people who far outnumber mages have a right to be safe from magics fallout. And I don't see why their right to safety mean less then a mages to have no practical restraints or means of recourse against them.

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...You could still be charged with assault if you punched someone.  Just saying.


Because city guards have been shown to be so effective against normal raiders and thugs, let alone mages. I'll just send a running messenger or draft a letter to the guards in my few days away village about the hulking monster ripping my fellow townsman apart with its mind.

They'll surely come in time to stop the rampaging abomination or put out the massively spreading fire caused by a mage loosing their temper before we're all killed.
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