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[Lulupab]

Your joking right?
 
You think the Imperium would take in a bunch of foreign mages and treat them like equals?
 
They view Thedas a Chattel, people really need to get over their naive view of the Imperium as "benevolent".
 
Those Mages would either be used as canon fodder against the Qunari, made into slaves or killed because their inconvenient.
 
Or used for blood sacrifices anyway...though they tend only like little boys for those.

Tevinter has done far worse once desperate, so yes it will definitely take in those mages and use them to fight. Although I'm not guaranteeing anything for those mages once the war is over.

[thetinyevil]

Your joking right?

 

You think the Imperium would take in a bunch of foreign mages and treat them like equals?

 

They view Thedas a Chattel, people really need to get over their naive view of the Imperium as "benevolent".

 

Those Mages would either be used as canon fodder against the Qunari, made into slaves or killed because their inconvenient.

 

Or used for blood sacrifices anyway...though they tend only like little boys for those.

That is most likely right but the Tevinters could also see it as away to bolster their numbers to get back their empire. Tevinter do seem like opportunist. 

[Steelcan]

Interesting. Explain this "hounded" and "harried" in this sentence: All mages from all fifteen circles except the dasirimund circle successfully break free and rallied at andorhal's reach. Where were your precious Templars?

 

when the rebellion is broken, as it will be

[Nukekitten]

Your joking right?
 
You think the Imperium would take in a bunch of foreign mages and treat them like equals?

They view Thedas a Chattel, people really need to get over their naive view of the Imperium as "benevolent".
 
Those Mages would either be used as canon fodder against the Qunari, made into slaves or killed because their inconvenient.
 
Or used for blood sacrifices anyway...though they tend only like little boys for those.

I think that when, the consequences of staying are:
 

Certain death.

And the consequences of going are:
 

Slavery.

Cannon fodder.

Being invited in extremely low on the social ladder, (Tevinter does have quite a respect for magic even if they don't like the rest of Thedas - having magic is enough to move you out of being a slave, IIRC)

Being a blood-sacrifice.

That people will choose the option that's not 'certain death,' even if that option is 'maybe death'.

Tevinter doesn't even need to be honest about providing refuge. It just needs to be vaguely plausible that you'll live longer there than you will with the Templars.

And none of this covers the darkspawn, or the fact that the Qunari are unlikely to throw away their own mages, (and will also retain their cheap/superior explosive weaponry.)

[Master Warder Z_]

Magic is the only advantage Humans have against Qunari

 

Besides outnumbering them a hundred to one you mean?

 

 

that's how Tevinter can fight Qunari, that's how the Qunari couldn't take Minrathous 

 

No, their armies were getting creamed and their capital was besieged it was the massive slave revolts across tevinter that broke the occupation of the Imperium.

 

 

But I was talking about turning the tides aka balancing the war. I didn't say mages won by their own. The Qunari have their own mages but I suspect they are lesser in number and even lesser are properly trained to participate in a war.

 

The tide didn't turn until the third exalted march of the war was called and that didn't happen until after more then a hundred years of war.

 

Honestly, I give Mages their due, they helped match Qunari power on the battlefield, i just also am of the belief the Qunari lost the war because they massive underestimated their opponents, had their logistic basis broken and were severely overextended across Thedas.

 

And i credit the armies that Nevarra, Orlais, The Free Marches and The Imperium sent over a single minority.

[Lulupab]

when the rebellion is broken, as it will be

So the way I see it, Templars failed fourteen times to stop the mages and at that time they were at full power with Lyrium supply etc... Now people are starting to hate them, there is a possibility they are divided and add red Templars too. Templars are as broken as mages and if anything this war is pretty balanced at the moment.

[thetinyevil]

So the way I see it, Templars failed fourteen times to stop the mages and at that time they were at full power with Lyrium supply etc... Now people are starting to hate them, there is a possibility they are divided and add red Templars too. Templars are as broken as mages and if anything this war is pretty balanced at the moment.

From what we have learned Templars are even more broken than the mages. The mages still seem to have organization while the templars seem to have broken into several smaller disorganized groups. Who can't tell the difference between a shovel and a staff.

[Master Warder Z_]

That is most likely right but the Tevinters could also see it as away to bolster their numbers to get back their empire. Tevinter do seem like opportunist. 

 

If a particular mage is useful, they will be used as fodder against their enemies, If the mage is weak, they will be used as compost or research material, Foreigners are nothing to the Imperium.

 

Magic and Worth about the only two things that are respected there, Hawke maybe, just MAYBE could have gone there and been more or less accepted after defeating the Arishok.

 

But honestly, this is about, more or less, being a special exception to the rule rather then the norm.

 

 

I think that when, the consequences of staying are:
 

Certain death.

And the consequences of going are:
 

Slavery.

Cannon fodder.

Being invited in extremely low on the social ladder, (Tevinter does have quite a respect for magic even if they don't like the rest of Thedas - having magic is enough to move you out of being a slave, IIRC)

Being a blood-sacrifice.

That people will choose the option that's not 'certain death,' even if that option is 'maybe death'.

Tevinter doesn't even need to be honest about providing refuge. It just needs to be vaguely plausible that you'll live longer there than you will with the Templars.

And none of this covers the darkspawn, or the fact that the Qunari are unlikely to throw away their own mages, (and will also retain their cheap/superior explosive weaponry.)

 

 

Well this is true, i suppose but if it isn't obvious i am not of a mind of TKS.

 

I view Mages as a necessary evil in the world, one to be contained and then used when needed, not much else.

 

I don't believe in killing them pointlessly, Magic will just return again in, its rare but it continues to come, even from non mage blood lines.

 

It's far better to raise them, school them and then use them when it is needed and then return them to their cage.

 

You can't use a corpse to fight your enemies after all, Pragmatism will save Thedas, not some misguided notion of how magic must be destroyed and the Templar order transformed into a roaming army bent on the destruction of magic.

 

No, the Status quo is what will hold Thedas together and that is what must be restored.

 

It's quite simple.

[Steelcan]

So the way I see it, Templars failed fourteen times to stop the mages and at that time they were at full power with Lyrium supply etc... Now people are starting to hate them, there is a possibility they are divided and add red Templars too. Templars are as broken as mages and if anything this war is pretty balanced at the moment.

We have been told that we will be able to resolve the mage/templar issue in DA:I

 

that means probably taking on one side to help the Inquisition

[Master Warder Z_]

From what we have learned Templars are even more broken than the mages. The mages still seem to have organization while the templars seem to have broken into several smaller disorganized groups. Who can't tell the difference between a shovel and a staff.

 

That seems to be grasping a lot from a single letter fragment.

 

Assumptions are like that though, every one has them.

[thetinyevil]

That seems to be grasping a lot from a single letter fragment.

 

Assumptions are like that though, every one has them.

You and so many on here don't know what the word SEEM means. Really please read the whole post. 

[TheKomandorShepard]

I think that when, the consequences of staying are:
 

Certain death.

And the consequences of going are:
 

Slavery.

Cannon fodder.

Being invited in extremely low on the social ladder, (Tevinter does have quite a respect for magic even if they don't like the rest of Thedas - having magic is enough to move you out of being a slave, IIRC)

Being a blood-sacrifice.

That people will choose the option that's not 'certain death,' even if that option is 'maybe death'.

Tevinter doesn't even need to be honest about providing refuge. It just needs to be vaguely plausible that you'll live longer there than you will with the Templars.

And none of this covers the darkspawn, or the fact that the Qunari are unlikely to throw away their own mages, (and will also retain their cheap/superior explosive weaponry.)

 

Pretty much they will gain little as they hold weak mages as slaves and couple strong won't make much difference in the end tevinter is bulit on selfish and self-centred indivduals.

and i explained darkspawn problem as well qunari...

 

Well this is true, i suppose but if it isn't obvious i am not of a mind of TKS.

 

I view Mages as a necessary evil in the world, one to be contained and then used when needed, not much else.

 

I don't believe in killing them pointlessly, Magic will just return again in, its rare but it continues to come, even from non mage blood lines.

 

It's far better to raise them, school them and then use them when it is needed and then return them to their cage.

 

You can't use a corpse to fight your enemies after all, Pragmatism will save Thedas, not some misguided notion of how magic must be destroyed and the Templar order transformed into a roaming army bent on the destruction of magic.

 

No, the Status quo is what will hold Thedas together and that is what must be restored.

 

It's quite simple.

Well pretty much status quo proved to suck when it comes to controling mages many mages simple escape circles and cause disaster anyway and fact that mages somehow managed to escape from circles seems to prove it even more.I would say that only qunari managed reach somewhat proper control over mages and still their mages flee sometimes. 

[The Hierophant]

Its pedantic. Also refer to my comment above in this post. The majority of Templars, following without questioning leadership, march to become a rogue and hated faction as if every single zealot person in Thedas has become a Templar.

You're confusing points again.

[Master Warder Z_]

You and so many on here don't know what the word SEEM means. Really please read the whole post. 

 

The whole post consisted of assumption based on one letter.

 

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Which was basically a summation of how the mages and templars are fighting each other.

[thetinyevil]

The whole post consisted of assumption based on one letter.

 

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Which was basically a summation of how the mages and templars are fighting each other.

I was not making assumptions on anything I was making observations of what we know from what the information we have been given. But since I was saying how great templars are you took it as a negative

[Master Warder Z_]

I was not making assumptions on anything. But since I was going against the templars it rubbed you the wrong way.

 

You weren't using the letter from Teagan as a basis for the argument?

 

Then what pray tell are you even using here?

[thetinyevil]

You weren't using the letter from Teagan as a basis for the argument?

 

Then what pray tell are you even using here?

Read the post again.

[Master Warder Z_]

Read the post again.

 

It's assumptions with no citation or basis, hence my original comment.

 

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So i don't need to reread the post that prompted all of this, its your opinion and it apparently isn't based on anything at all.

 

So reading the post again is pointless, when i actually bothered to do that initially.

 

But at least back then i had presumed you had based it off of something, no matter how minute or far fetched, well my mistake.

[thetinyevil]

It's assumptions with no citation or basis, hence my original comment.

 

._.

 

So i don't need to reread the post that prompted all of this, its your opinion and it apparently isn't based on anything at all.

 

So reading the post again is pointless, when i actually bothered to do that initially.

 

But at least back then i had presumed you had based it off of something, no matter how minute or far fetched, well my mistake.

Since you won't go back and read it again here it is for you. I was making OBSERVATIONS not assumptions. Observation made on everything that we have seen so far. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Since you won't go back and read it again here it is for you. I was making OBSERVATIONS not assumptions. Observation made on everything that we have seen so far. 

 

But there isn't anything really beyond that ONE letter.

 

._.

 

And a bunch of speculation.

[DKJaigen]

Have you seen the new trailer? you got eldritch abominations running around and we have to few magic in an entire new light. Right now the templars are not right or wrong they are opnion is simply not relevant.

[thetinyevil]

But there isn't anything really beyond that ONE letter.

 

._.

 

And a bunch of speculation.

What ****** letter are you talking about. It is starting to ****** me off. I am not going of a ****** letter! I am going off the books, what happened in the games and what I have seen in the demos and other released information.

[TheKomandorShepard]

Damn now im confused.

[Nukekitten]

Pretty much they will gain little as they hold weak mages as slaves and couple strong won't make much difference in the end tevinter is bulit on selfish and self-centred indivduals.

And the definition of a weak mage is? What's the power distribution curve like? The mages in Ferelden are clearly powerful enough to kick up a rather annoying fuss.

And where's the evidence that they do hold weak mages as slaves? The DA wiki doesn't say much about them holding weak mages as slaves. I'm not saying it is and I'm not saying it isn't, but I'd like to see something on that point rather than just accepting it.

And even if they do hold them as slaves, what of it? The fact they'd be slaves hardly means that they can't be used to kill your enemies - and they're obviously getting some form of power out of it or there'd be no point; selfish individuals are not necessarily stupid ones.
 

and i explained darkspawn problem as well qunari...

I've not seen you explain how you'd deal with the Darkspawn or Qunari. Granted the forum has terrible search functionality inside threads so it's possible I'm missing something, but all I've seen you write is that Thedas would have been in a better position to fight the Qunari if the mages hadn't caused the Blights in the first place. Which may be true or may not be, but either way isn't the world that's in front of us.

[Master Warder Z_]

What ****** letter are you talking about. It is starting to ****** me off. I am not going of a ****** letter! I am going off the books, what happened in the games and what I have seen in the demos and other released information.

 

Yeah, Citation 7 on the DA wiki for the character.  Arl Teagan's letter featured in DAI and was released a while ago, it speaks of the war between the mages and templars raging across his lands.

 

And the books, demos and other released information don't mean much to me.

 

If it isn't confirmed, it isn't confirmed, its a simple line i draw.

 

And Book Lore is...ignored when it is preferable to do it.

 

Unfortunate but it happens.