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[Lulupab]

And yet the vast majority we've met are perfectly nice guys, imo they were by far one of the most helpful factions(though that's not saying much) in the franchise.
Also what about the Tevinter Templar order?

Its a very rare thing to witness a Templar question an order so where is this "vast majority" coming from.

[cjones91]

And yet the vast majority we've met are perfectly nice guys, imo they were by far one of the most helpful factions(though that's not saying much) in the franchise.

Also what about the Tevinter Templar order?

They still are zealous in their attitudes towards magic,Examples include Wynne's student who was almost killed simply because he ran away from the Circle even though he wasn't a blood mage or possessed.

 

 

The Tevinter Templar order still deals with magic problems but they are just  lapdogs of the Tevinter Magisters.

[OctagonalSquare]

Im also open to civil discussion not my fault that peoples tend react too emotionally to my security measures.

It's not "too emotional". Your solution involves completely disregarding human (and elven and qunari) rights. You sound like a goddamn sociopath.

[Lulupab]

They opened the friggin gate!
 
That's like not blaming the Dalish for summoning Ishmael.

So the old gods and their puppet mages were responsible, not ALL mages, not even Tevinter as a whole.

[Maria Caliban]

If you were to change the templar order how would you do it and why?

I would make them all reavers, because I want an army of lyrium addicted, anti-magic reavers.

[Master Warder Z_]

Don't you know?Blaming the majority for what the minority did is typical on these forums.

 

No, Protecting the majority from the minority is a typical stance on these forums.

[cjones91]

They opened the friggin gate!

 

That's like not blaming the Dalish for summoning Ishmael.

Dumat gave them the keys though,he could've wanted the taint to be unleashed.

[Master Warder Z_]

So the old gods and their puppet mages were responsible, not ALL mages, not even Tevinter as a whole.

 

And? What does that have to with locking them away to protect the world?

 

I never extended the blame for second sin past Tevinter anyway.

 

And i do blame the entirety of Tevinter, their culture enabled and encouraged that arrogance to sit upon the throne of Heaven.

[cjones91]

No, Protecting the majority from the minority is a typical stance on these forums.

And blaming a entire group of people for something a smaller one did is common procedure here.Elves and Mages are the favorite targets.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

SO the old gods were responsible? Glad we agree on the matter. Of course old gods had close apprentices who happened to be mages, Why not lets blame ALL the mages for it. Even the Tevinter cannot be held responsible for this. besides the city was already black so boogeymen did not corrupt the golden city, it was already corrupted.

Did I ever say we should blame all the mages for the Magisters' actions? No.

 

I was just pointing out that the "Tevinter is not to blame for the Blight" argument rings a little hollow after Legacy since even though the Taint was there before they got there according to Corypheus, they are still to blame for letting it out.

[Master Warder Z_]

Dumat gave them the keys though,he could've wanted the taint to be unleashed.

 

It doesn't matter, the Imperium unleashed the taint and darkspawn upon the world, whatever Dumat wanted or didn't want is irrelevant.

 

Mages brought that into the world.

[cjones91]

It doesn't matter, the Imperium unleashed the taint and darkspawn upon the world, whatever Dumat wanted or didn't want is irrelevant.

 

Mages brought that into the world.

Some mages yes....there you go lumping a entire group with the bad just like I mentioned before.

[Master Warder Z_]

And blaming a entire group of people for something a smaller one did is common procedure here.Elves and Mages are the favorite targets.

 

This has nothing to do with anything i said, at all.

 

Mages need to be contained, Elves need to recognize the reality of their situation.

 

Beyond that, blame is irrelevant outside of a historical context.

[Lulupab]

And? What does that have to with locking them away to protect the world?

I never extended the blame for second sin past Tevinter anyway.

And i do blame the entirety of Tevinter, their culture enabled and encouraged that arrogance to sit upon the throne of Heaven.

Tevinter was the only country that had "culture". There was no civilization anywhere else except tribes of Barbarians always killing each other. Its like blaming the roman culture in its earliest stages where Europe was like Thedas and Rome was the only civil place on Europe. (Albeit western Europe as we had Greek States)

[cjones91]

Did I ever say we should blame all the mages for the Magisters' actions? No.

 

I was just pointing out that the "Tevinter is not to blame for the Blight" argument rings a little hollow after Legacy since even though the Taint was there before they got there according to Corypheus, they are still to blame for letting it out.

Some people extend that blame past Tevinter though,apparently all mages are responsible for what a small group did thousands of years ago which is just bullshit.

[Sir DeLoria]

They still are zealous in their attitudes towards magic,Examples include Wynne's student who was almost killed simply because he ran away from the Circle even though he wasn't a blood mage or possessed.

Not all of them are and even those who are, aren't without reason in their fears. Magic is extremely dangerous, some of their fear is definitely justified.
  

The Tevinter Templar order still deals with magic problems but they are just  lapdogs of the Tevinter Magisters.

I'd imagine you approve of that.

[cjones91]

This has nothing to do with anything i said, at all.

 

Mages need to be contained, Elves need to recognize the reality of their situation.

 

Beyond that, blame is irrelevant outside of a historical context.

Sure they need to be contained,just not by the people who condemn every single mage for something a minority did thousands of years ago.

[Master Warder Z_]

Some mages yes....there you go lumping a entire group with the bad just like I mentioned before.

 

Did i state all mages, from the time of the ancient imperium until now and forever had done this? Are you trying to obstinate on purpose?

 

I don't recall stating anything to the effect that mages, a thousand plus years after the fact, had anything to do with second sin.

 

But i do acknowledge it was Mages who unleashed it, Beyond, i didn't say anything.

 

So your detraction isn't overly effective.

[Sir DeLoria]

Its a very rare thing to witness a Templar question an order so where is this "vast majority" coming from.

Very rare thing? Are you kidding me? How about the time when a third of the Kirkwall order rebelled against their Knight-Commander? How about the time when the Temlars refuse to answer Meredith's order at the end of DA2? Or the time Cullen refuses to execute the surrendering mages in the final battle, again against Meredith's orders?

Also being a nice guy or not has absolutely nothing to do with your loyalty.

[cjones91]

Not all of them are and even those who are, aren't without reason in their fears. Magic is extremely dangerous, some of their fear is definitely justified.
  

I'd imagine you approve of that.

Your imagination would be wrong then,I support a zealot and extremist free Templar order.

[Master Warder Z_]

Tevinter was the only country that had "culture". 

 

Good for them?

 

It doesn't make me think them offing hundreds of slaves and bankrupting an entire nation for the benefit of a few to sound any better.

[TheKomandorShepard]

No Anders questions what the chantry is hiding, he does not admit to anything. Besides the Imperial Chantry says its the old gods who created the darkspawn and became archdemons and mages had nothing to with it, except those who were puppets of old gods, aka possessed. I have no reason to believe the white chantry over the imperial one.

SO the old gods were responsible? Glad we agree on the matter. Of course old gods had close apprentices who happened to be mages, Why not lets blame ALL the mages for it. Even the Tevinter cannot be held responsible for this. besides the city was already black so boogeymen did not corrupt the golden city, it was already corrupted.

He pretty much said that he thought that black city was just story what was crushed in that dlc as it was truth... Please who went to the black city to get power Mages now you start justify them but that pretty much standart for pro mages "how dear you blame mage for rape it isn't his fault that have sexual drive blame god !"

 

 

Again,the Blight could've been sitting inside the Golden City just waiting for some chump to release it.Cory said Dumat practically invited him and the other Magisters to the Golden City so there's no evidence they caused the blight either way.

So what old gods were responsible as well mages wanted power damn pro-mages trying justify mages gone into complete ridiculous and we have "my friend convinced me to set my house of my neighbor on fire it wasn't my fault blame my friend!" besides as i said He is a darkspawn , last thing he remember is black city and he was magister that went to the black city...

 

 

It's not "too emotional". Your solution involves completely disregarding human (and elven and qunari) rights. You sound like a goddamn sociopath.

Well human "rights" disappear when it is convenient ask any goverment and pretty sure that elves don't have any rights in thedas.

[cjones91]

Did i state all mages, from the time of the ancient imperium until now and forever had done this? Are you trying to obstinate on purpose?

 

I don't recall stating anything to the effect that mages, a thousand plus years after the fact, had anything to do with second sin.

 

But i do acknowledge it was Mages who unleashed it, Beyond, i didn't say anything.

 

So your detraction isn't overly effective.

You said mages instead of the Tevinter Magisters who caused the problem,what else was I supposed to infer from that except all mages are to blame?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

We really need to stop this line of discussion. This is completely offtopic and things seem to be getting heated. 

[Master Warder Z_]

Sure they need to be contained,just not by the people who condemn every single mage for something a minority did thousands of years ago.

 

Its a literal reminder of what magic can bring forth upon the world, beyond abominations and blood magic.

 

I see no wrong with being wary of magic.