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[cjones91]

Your point being?

My point is it's no wonder families hide their mage relations if they are going to be punished just for being born.

[Cainhurst Crow]

My point is it's no wonder families hide their mage relations if they are going to be punished just for being born.

Honestly I'm surprised more mothers don't drown their kids or leave them to die in the wild when they're born mages. Dwarves, deformed, or cripple children had that fate in medieval times. Don't see why things are so different in dragon age.
 

And laws like that shoould be ignored since they are discriminatory.

I like it. It's not going to work and you're gonna be killed for doing so. But I like it.

Also what power does the word discriminatory have in a world where equal rights do not exist as a concept? I'm legitimately curious about this.

[TheKomandorShepard]

My point is it's no wonder families hide their mage relations if they are going to be punished just for being born.

Not rly most families are glad they can get rid off mages and don't see tham as family .

And laws are there to handle such peoples thar break them...

 

 

Honestly I'm surprised more mothers don't drown their kids or leave them to die in the wild when they're born mages. Dwarves, deformed, or cripple children had that fate in medieval times. Don't see why things are so different in dragon age.
 

 

It is bioware... in witcher i could see that but not in da to be honest.

[Senya]

Corypheus' dialogue about how the City was supposed to be Golden could indicate that there may have been others who were tainted before them. The primary issue is our general lack of knowledge doesn't leave us with much information, except pieces of dialogue from Corypheus that call much into question. It's why I pointed out earlier that Corypheus doesn't necessary prove one account to be correct. We know the Magisters entered the City and were tainted, but everything else has been a matter of constant debate among fans, with the developers giving no indication as to whether or not the Magisters actually corrupted the City in the first place, or whether it was already corrupted before their arrival.

His lines led me to believe that Dumat had told him that given that he often addresed Dumat aloud and was distressed when he found no answer. It seems to me that it is more likely the Old Gods did contact them about the Golden City, but I suppose you are free to believe otherwise, though I'd call it a long shot. But then, Bioware can easily decide to confirm your theory. But, going on the information we have so far, it appears that the Magisters were the first to visit the Golden City. The first mortals, anyway.

[AresKeith]

Get rid of the extremists,change how the Templars are taught to treat mages,recruit those who won't let their views on magic effect how they do their job.

 

Pretty much, though I don't think the bolded part is really an issue as we've seen Templars who treat mages right

[HK-90210]

And laws like that shoould be ignored since they are discriminatory.

 

The moment you start ignoring laws, the rule of law doesn't mean jack sh*t.

 

"I don't think that banks are legal. They discriminate against the poor. So I robbed one."

 

"Then you're breaking the law."

 

"I don't care. The law is stupid."

 

"Then we're going to shoot you now."

 

"But you can't! I have a right to a trial."

 

"I don't care. The law is stupid."

[themageguy]

Because it is not about sins it is about them being walking bomb and not wanting another bligh like disaster... that they mages proven how destructive even few of them can be simple because reasons like ambition and mages prove that often even in current times.

Well i will be bo im more in team anti-mage.
indifference? again read entry about her in my link she practically encourages you to kick the dog even if it is stupid to kick one at moment so it isn't indifference.She isn't complex at all she is just jerkass that isnults everyone and encourages you to kicking dogs and don't want you to help anyone even if it is out of pure benefit unless it involves kicking someone then she want help such person pretty much she is more serious version of hk 47.

It is not simple laws are determined by humans and if they set that eating a pie is a crime it will be a crime even if you think it is stupid it sill will be a law.

Walking time bombs....
perhaps if magic wasn't vilified there would be fewer mages resorting to drastic measures.

You do realise that not all mages are evil right?
Marethari was a beautiful character, Wynne, Maevaris and Dorian, those mages are decent beings.

Also, in thedas, a child can be born with magic even within a family not known to produce any magical affinity.
What would you do if your child displayed such talent?

[themageguy]

Ahh here we go with the "Free mages=Tevinter" argument.I have'nt heard that one in a while....The Rivain Circle debunks that by the way since mages there had outside contact and even families outside the Circle walls.Not once did the entire country become Tevinter 2.0 so I don't buy that assertion one bit.

Don't forget, their seers are possessed by spirits too. Oh the scandal!
hahahaha

[TheKomandorShepard]

Walking time bombs....
perhaps if magic wasn't vilified there would be fewer mages resorting to drastic measures.

You do realise that not all mages are evil right?
Marethari was a beautiful character, Wynne, Maevaris and Dorian, those mages are decent beings.

Also, in thedas, a child can be born with magic even within a family not known to produce any magical affinity.
What would you do if your child displayed such talent?

Yeah for example like tevinter eee no that is bad example or maybe zathrian , merril , marethari velanna or Quentin... But lets be honest even if mage blow up the city for money it is because mages are vilified

it is everything templars fault!

 

But to be serious damn how many times i have to say it isn't about evil or good it is about explosion...

 

So?

I wouldn't care still a threat to me.

[BloodKaiden]

Yes, a crime is when you break the law. It doesn't matter what the law is.

That's not 'crazy;' that's basic English.

Thank you for clearing that up for me. 

 

Don't know why I'm that surprised such a law could pass in the world of Thedas.   

 

 It is not simple laws are determined by humans and if they set that eating a pie is a crime it will be a crime even if you think it is stupid it sill will be a law.

 

Then I'd happily live my life as a criminal, screw em.

Honestly? Yes.

As harsh as that is, yes. It's better. Because it reduces coddling. It reduces self-interested favoritism in a student based on blood relation. It stops weak mages from advancing up the ranks to weaken the circles as a whole.

You think its harsh? I say tough ****, your a mage and demons aren't going to take it easy on you cause your father was the first enchanter.

You want to rise in the ranks? Earn it Meritocratically. Otherwise go sign up for tranquility with the rest of the weaklings and keep your bloodline hierarchies to yourself.

Tough **** if I rebell then, would rather go out fighting this give in to the bull**** antics that is the Circle of Magi. My father was always harder on me because I am his child, though I understand how coddling could happen. Give me Flemeth any day of the week as a mother.

[Senya]

Don't forget, their seers are possessed by spirits too. Oh the scandal!
hahahaha

When has a mage possessed by a benevolent spirit ever....

 

Okay, good point.

 

That is not to say I think the annulment was justified in that case, but I think taking any spirit into yourself voluntarily is an inherently dangerous idea.

[AresKeith]

The Templars could probably benefit from restricting their recruitment to just hard boiled detectives who secretly have hearts of gold

 

They should start doing background checks on the recruits to see if they had any bad experiences with mages

[TheKomandorShepard]

They should start doing background checks on the recruits to see if they had any bad experiences with mages

Then templar order would have only 100 members and that is only to the time when they will end like cullen or thrask.

[A Clever Name]

 

The moment you start ignoring laws, the rule of law doesn't mean jack sh*t.

 

"I don't think that banks are legal. They discriminate against the poor. So I robbed one."

 

"Then you're breaking the law."

 

"I don't care. The law is stupid."

 

"Then we're going to shoot you now."

 

"But you can't! I have a right to a trial."

 

"I don't care. The law is stupid."

*Winces*  Slippery slope.

 

Like, totally valid concern.  I agree.  But it's an assumption, unless you can prove a chain of logical implication.

[Cainhurst Crow]

They should start doing background checks on the recruits to see if they had any bad experiences with mages

They should run the templars like the nightswatch imo. That'd be funner.

[Master Warder Z_]

They should start doing background checks on the recruits to see if they had any bad experiences with mages

 

Those are the ones you want in command

[Master Warder Z_]

They should run the templars like the nightswatch imo. That'd be funner.

 

Nah, If we are doing SOIAF they should be like the King's Guard

 

Quality over Quantity.

[AresKeith]

With all due respect, it confirmed they entered the Fade seeking power and brought the Taint back with them to Thedas. I see no proof of anyone having the Taint before them.

 

If anything that kinda helps my theory that the Black City was a prison to hold the Taint

[cjones91]

The moment you start ignoring laws, the rule of law doesn't mean jack sh*t.

 

"I don't think that banks are legal. They discriminate against the poor. So I robbed one."

 

"Then you're breaking the law."

 

"I don't care. The law is stupid."

 

"Then we're going to shoot you now."

 

"But you can't! I have a right to a trial."

 

"I don't care. The law is stupid."

Baseless argument,if a law is truly bad then it does'nt have to be followed.

[Cainhurst Crow]

perhaps if magic wasn't vilified there would be fewer mages resorting to drastic measures.

And if mages didn't resort to drastic measures they wouldn't be vilified as much.

And it's the debate that never ends, cause it goes on and on again. Some people started fighting while not knowing what it was, and they'll continue fighting it forever just because...

[Cainhurst Crow]

Nah, If we are doing SOIAF they should be like the King's Guard



Quality over Quantity.

I said funner not better.

[cjones91]

Those are the ones you want in command

Nah,then you just end up with tons of Merediths who go insane/steal political positions.

[Senya]

If anything that kinda helps my theory that the Black City was a prison to hold the Taint

That is possible.

[Master Warder Z_]

Baseless argument,if a law is truly bad then it does'nt have to be followed.

 

If you said that in six countries i can name off the top of my head, you would be charged with sedition.

 

By the way, none of them are in the middle east.

[Inprea]

So where exactly is the lack of freedom here? The mages are part of the orlesian based chantry system, and when a rebel force declares war on that home bodies country of resident, of course they aren't going to let their members go and aid them. You're complaining that a country didn't allow citizens to sigh up with terrorist groups to fight against them on the sole grounds that they felt like it.

 

Wilhem lived in Honnleath and had a daughter he was allowed to raise, he went to the circle, completed his training, and was allowed to live a normal life. His existence disproves your blanket assertion about mages not being able to own property, raise a family, or live a normal life wasn't something they were allowed to do. They aren't allowed to join politics but do you really want them joining politics when they have access to means of mind control at their disposal?

 

And mages aren't allowed to be trained or to learn certain things? Oh heavens above, its not like we in our civilized 21st century lives put any sort of limitations on the things we're allowed to do or learn, except bomb making, automatic weapons, large magazines, switch blades, gravity knives, butterfly knives, pistols, rifles, shotguns, etc, etc. Not being allowed to learn how to flail people with your mind or be a knight enchanter without approval doesn't sound like a stomping of freedom to me, more like a necessary step to keep others safe.

 

No. Those mages were born in Ferelden and considered it their home land. The chantry chose sides in that war and it's a wonder Maric allowed the templars or the chantry to stay after doing so. They should have all be hung for treason.

 

Wilhelm was a special exception. His freedom wasn't granted by the circle but by Maric after Wilhelm left the circle to help in his rebellion. A rare exception doesn't disprove the rule. After all they took Wynne's child from her. As for politics. Yes I do want them as part of the political system. How can they protect their interest with anything other then violence if they're not allowed to have a say in such things?

 

Except the creation of fire and the like is already taught to them. The instructor didn't want to teach his students how to use magic he wanted to have them taught defensive none magical martial arts.