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Like you said,the first 10-15 hours were great since they served as a buildup,but the second half of the game losses any remaining interesting atmosphere. Especially after Rannoch,there's barely any sense of the bigger picture left (aka. "Ok,why the **** am I here? Shouldn't I be fighting the Reapers or something?"),which culminates in a god-awful final battle.


After Rannoch you go right to Thessia -- in the middle of a big Reaper attack -- and after that the bigger picture is abundantly clear, isn't it? You're not seriously saying that you didn't know why Shepard needed to recover the data from Thessia, obviously, so I'm not really clear what you're getting at.

The original script was far better then the actual,released game. Retaking Omega,liberating planets for mercenary groups,going back to the Omega 4 Relay to reclaim a relic for a mercenary groups,visiting the Destiny Ascension,etc. the list goes on.


This stuff seems even less relevant to the war effort. Actually, I don't even remember anything about recovering relics for mercenary groups. Are we looking at different script leaks?

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I found it also lacking a certain species who in ME2 was the only "true members" of Blood Pack.

 

Why is it 90% vorcha in ME3?

 

They be fightin' on Palaven.



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Wrex/Wreav called them all home to fight against reapers, with the promise of lots of krogan females looking to have kids.
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Wrex/Wreav called them all home to fight against reapers, with the promise of lots of krogan females looking to have kids.

LOL! That's a pretty tall order.


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LOL! That's a pretty tall order.

EDI: It is good you came by. I have questions about the genophage. 
Joker: You and everyone else. 
shep: What do you need, EDI?
EDI: A krogan female of breeding age can produce clutches of up to 1,000 fertilized eggs over the course of a year. There are over one billion females on Tuchanka. If one percent become fully fertile, they can birth ten billion infants. 
shep: On Earth, bugs have a lot of young, too. Most of them die. 
EDI: The attrition rate would naturally be high, but the state has an interest in keeping the children alive for warfare purposes. 
shep: Any other cheerful thoughts?
EDI: Even if they side with us, transporting the krogan to the battlefields of Palaven could prove difficult. They have been demilitarized - that is, they have no warships.
shep: What do you suggest?
EDI: They will need turian or civilian starships to carry them to battle. With your permission, I will make the necessary calls to have these ships in place for when you deliver the krogan. 
shep: Do it. Anything else?
EDI: They will be unable to eat anything on Palaven. They must being their own or rely on the nutrients in their humps. 
shep: This keeps getting better and better.
EDI: The krogan will also require sedatives, since krogan fight with others of their kind if in enclosed spaces such as starships.
shep: Make it happen. Are there any last things you're worried about?
EDI: Nothing that demands your attention, Shepard.
Joker: Wait, what about...
EDI: I do not believe it is relevant at this time, Jeff.
Joker: Oh come on. Just tell her. 
shep: Out with it, EDI. 
EDI: Although there is no way to calculate the exact measurement of a s***load, Jeff believes the krogan will also require a s***load of ice. 
shep: Ice. What the hell-
Joker: *snicker* 
EDI: That was a joke. 
Joker: No, no it wasn't. 

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EDI: It is good you came by. I have questions about the genophage. 
Joker: You and everyone else. 
shep: What do you need, EDI?
EDI: A krogan female of breeding age can produce clutches of up to 1,000 fertilized eggs over the course of a year. There are over one billion females on Tuchanka. If one percent become fully fertile, they can birth ten billion infants. 
shep: On Earth, bugs have a lot of young, too. Most of them die. 
EDI: The attrition rate would naturally be high, but the state has an interest in keeping the children alive for warfare purposes. 
shep: Any other cheerful thoughts?
EDI: Even if they side with us, transporting the krogan to the battlefields of Palaven could prove difficult. They have been demilitarized - that is, they have no warships.
shep: What do you suggest?
EDI: They will need turian or civilian starships to carry them to battle. With your permission, I will make the necessary calls to have these ships in place for when you deliver the krogan. 
shep: Do it. Anything else?
EDI: They will be unable to eat anything on Palaven. They must being their own or rely on the nutrients in their humps. 
shep: This keeps getting better and better.
EDI: The krogan will also require sedatives, since krogan fight with others of their kind if in enclosed spaces such as starships.
shep: Make it happen. Are there any last things you're worried about?
EDI: Nothing that demands your attention, Shepard.
Joker: Wait, what about...
EDI: I do not believe it is relevant at this time, Jeff.
Joker: Oh come on. Just tell her. 
shep: Out with it, EDI. 
EDI: Although there is no way to calculate the exact measurement of a s***load, Jeff believes the krogan will also require a s***load of ice. 
shep: Ice. What the hell-
Joker: *snicker* 
EDI: That was a joke. 
Joker: No, no it wasn't. 

 

In need of ice because of bruises, or in need of ice because of the unspeakable things that are going to happen after the krogans return to Tuchanka... :o



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In need of ice because of bruises, or in need of ice because of the unspeakable things that are going to happen after the krogans return to Tuchanka... :o

Uhh... *ahem* ... I'm sure it's to keep all the ryncol cold during the celebration. 


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Uhh... *ahem* ... I'm sure it's to keep all the ryncol cold during the celebration. 

Well, I was clearly thinking of the time when Wrex needed a bag of ice... 


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Well, I was clearly thinking of the time when Wrex needed a bag of ice... 

I know  :)  ... I was too. 


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I know  :)  ... I was too. 

LOL! You mean like before I said it, or after I said it? *_*


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LOL! You mean like before I said it, or after I said it? *_*

Lol, when i added those extra lines to the dialogue, of course. 


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Lol, when i added those extra lines to the dialogue, of course. 

See, I was getting kind of Presidium fishy about the last two dialogues... I bet this would be a good time for that meme photo.


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See, I was getting kind of Presidium fishy about the last two dialogues... I bet this would be a good time for that meme photo.

Which photo? 


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Which photo? 

The "Don't know if..." meme photo with Fry's face from Futurama.


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The "Don't know if..." meme photo with Fry's face from Futurama.

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Heh, you know me, I try to be funny. 


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Heh, you know me, I try to be funny. 

Always trying to savor the last shot before popping the heat sink?


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Always trying to savor the last shot before popping the heat sink?

Exactly  :D


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Exactly  :D

Sorry, TechnoTurian, I needed to borrow it...

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Both ME1 and ME2 were worse off than ME3 in that regard.

 

In ME2 you spend most of the game solving daddy issues rather fighting the Collectors, and the entire plot of Mass Effect 1 is nonsensical. Saren blows his cover and exposes Sovereign by attacking Eden Prime to obtain a Prothean beacon he already had (Virmire) to find a Conduit he didn't need, to gain access to the Presidium that he and his Asari commandos already had full access to. All Saren needed to do was attack Citadel Control with his Asari commandos while Sovereign and the Geth attack the Citadel fleets. The element of surprise would be his and another extinction cycle would have gone on without a hitch. 

 

*Scratches head*

 

I think I read this exact same post a few months back and posted a reply to it...



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*Scratches head*
 
I think I read this exact same post a few months back and posted a reply to it...

Can we trust you on that?

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I tried but I cannot find my original post, so I'll have to write everything all over again.

 

Can we trust you on that?

 

What? You think people go on the Internet in order to tell lies and mislead others?

 

Both ME1 and ME2 were worse off than ME3 in that regard.

 

I agree about ME2 (mostly because this is where the trainwreck of bad writing actually started) but not about ME1.

 

the entire plot of Mass Effect 1 is nonsensical

 

 

ME1 is the only game in the trilogy where its main plot actually makes sense.

 

The game does have flaws, but lots of things ME1 did wrong are what ME2 and ME3 did much worse. 

 

 

Saren blows his cover and exposes Sovereign by attacking Eden Prime to obtain a Prothean beacon he already had (Virmire) to find a Conduit he didn't need, to gain access to the Presidium that he and his Asari commandos already had full access to. 

 

Saren's and Sovereign's final goal was to bring back the Reapers from dark space. The main reason Eden Prime was attacked was to make sure the Alliance and the Council do not uncover the knowledge that the artifact has. The Prothean beacon showed the extinction of the Protheans to Shepard. It contained a clear warning of the Reaper invasion. It had information about the Conduit. Plus, the Alliance wanted to share the beacon with other Council members for full study. Obviously, this was an alarming threat to their plans!

 

The beacon from Eden Prime also contained information that the Virmire beacon didn't, and that's why Saren was needed to use it. Doesn't the recording from the trial support this? "Eden Prime was a major victory. The beacon has brought us one step closer to finding the Conduit."

 

Saren blows his cover and exposes Sovereign

 

It was necessary for both of them to show up on Eden Prime. The matter was very sensitive. The geth couldn’t take care of it alone.

 

And if it weren't for Shepard and the Normandy (which happens to be the fastest and stealthiest starship ever built) the amount of evidences from Eden Prime would have been zero. The only thing left would have been dust. No one would even know that the geth were involved. The Alliance was lucky.

 

 

All Saren needed to do was attack Citadel Control with his Asari commandos while Sovereign and the Geth attack the Citadel fleets. The element of surprise would be his and another extinction cycle would have gone on without a hitch. 

 

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Saren didn't need either of the Prothean beacons or the Conduit. He had full access to the Presidium, as did his Asari commandos, and before Eden Prime he was under no suspicion for treachery. All he needed to do was to seize Citadel Control and open up the Citadel for Sovereign and the attacking Geth fleet. No diversion through Eden Prime was needed. 

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Saren and his commandos should have been enough to seize Citadel Control

 

…Really? Are you really saying that taking over the most heavily secured place in the entire galaxy is a cakewalk? Especially within minutes?

 

NO! Absolutely NO!

 

I’m not sure if the dozen asari commandos had access but lets assume they did.

Do you actually think the Citadel doesn’t have anything to easily fight off against asari biotics? C-Sec has plenty of officers with advanced biotic training. Presidium is a very open area, meaning Saren and his troops can get easily surrounded. Thousands of other Citaldel security officers can arrive in less than a minute to provide backup.

 

For example, when you talk to Wrex on the Citadel he says “Ten to one, there’s a sniper watching our every step.” What could Saren and the commandos do against them? What would they do if a few gunships appeared to fight them? In the end, they would accomplish nothing except suicide.

 

Saren needs an army. Period.

 

Saren and his commandos should have been enough to seize Citadel Control, as he manages to seize the building with a similarly small force of Geth.

 

 

Small force? The place was full of geth. A lot of them were needed to be shot down before reaching Saren.

 

Saren’s followers were fighting elsewhere around the Citadel. Plenty of other geth and krogan were killed by Citadel defense forces before Shepard’s arrival, which made reaching Saren easier for him and his squad.

 

At Ilos Shepard was just minutes behind Saren in jumping through the Conduit, so it wouldn't be possible for Saren to have gotten a large army through. It is never stated how many troops Saren got through the Conduit, but given the extremely short time frame anything larger than a small unit would be impossible.

 

 

 

I’m… not entirely sure what to think about this. Been a long time since I played the game so I can't remember. 

 

*Shrugs*

 

But since you argue that ME1 is worse that ME3, I’ll provide a similar example that ME3 did much worse.

 

In ME3, the Codex mentions that it takes days for the Migrant Fleet to travel through one relay. Then at the final battle for Earth, we see the entire combined galactic fleet takes only seconds to travel through the relay. What do you think about that?

 

The element of surprise would be his and another extinction cycle would have gone on without a hitch. 

 

What element of surprise? What are you talking about?

 

I’m not sure I understand, but to me it sounds like you’re saying that attacking an enemy from his front side is a better “surprise” than the actual surprise of sneaking up and stabbing him in the back.

 

Walking through the front door means that the security would be aware of what’s happening. They would know about Saren, they would know the total number of people he has with him, what their training is, what exactly they are armed with, etc. I fail to see what qualifies for an element of surprise here?

 

 

I think a key part you’re missing is that the Conduit is a replica of a mass relay. It transfers ships and vehicles. Which means that using the conduit Saren can transfer fighters and dropships.  He can transfer armatures and colossuses right behind enemy lines.

C-Sec would have terror raining on them within seconds. Isn’t this a great option alongside a bunch of ground troops?

 

No one at the Citadel has the experience nor the training when it comes to fighting the geth. I feel sorry for the poor bxstxrds who first had to face Juggernauts and Primes.

 

Do these not qualify for an element of surprise? Citadel security had no idea what hit them given how quickly Saren and his forces were moving.



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Many of the Geth and Krogan Shepard was facing on the Citadel were reinforcements from Geth ships.

 

And they all originally came from the Conduit before Shepard used it, no?

 

During the assault we see Sovereign instantly piercing through the front lines of the Citadel fleet, and the station closes right after his entrance. No geth ship followed because they were busy fighting.

 

Also if Saren didn't have enough commandos to seize the building and hold for reinforcements, he could quite easily raise those troops while he still has the element of surprise. He had a Reaper that no one knew about and indoctrination at his disposal. He could both use his Spectre status and Matriarch's Benezia's political clout to lure more victims into indoctrination until he had the troops he needed. 

 

 

Multiple problems with this.

 

Benezia has no authority when it comes to asari military. Benezia was always known to promote diplomacy, peace and understanding. She taught religion and philosophy, not warmongering. Other than her own biotics and followers, she doesn’t have much else to provide.

 

Saren and Benezia are opposite characters. Unlike Benezia, Saren was a ruthless ****. He killed hundreds of innocent civilians, even if it wasn’t necessary. If it were known that Saren and Benezia were cooperating together, it would raise suspicion.

 

Indoctrination isn’t actually that subtle. It causes a lot of subjects to go insane. A bunch will eventually turn brain dead. People would be disappearing, which would cause an investigation into what Saren and Benezia are doing.

 

Some people can fight against indoctrination. Yes, they would be beyond rescue but sensitive information can easily get leaked.

 

Indoctrination can be detected. It causes mental degradation that can be observed. Mordin wrote about it during his time in STG.

 

As Saren mentioned, the more indoctrinated a person gets the less capable it becomes. Think about that for a moment. A lot of indoctrinated soldiers would not be in their best state and capacity.

 

 

 

Okay, lets ignore everything above and say it all worked out perfectly for Saren and Benezia. He gets his indoctrinated army without any sort of downsides. Do you think the following would actually happen?

 

C-Sec A: Saren is marching inside with thousands of heavily armed men. Does this make anyone feel kinda alarmed?

C-Sec B: Nah, don’t be ridiculous. What could possibly be wrong with that?