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[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Unless it comes to your own nearest and dearest eh.

 

If I'm in charge, I have the power to pick and choose.

 

As I said, the greater good doesn't care who is sacrificed.

[von uber]

If I'm in charge, I have the power to pick and choose.

 

 

And if you aren't? What then?

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

And if you aren't? What then?

 

Why wouldn't I be in charge?

[von uber]

Why wouldn't I be in charge?

 

Stop avoiding the question; would you sacrifice your family, lover, child etc for the greater good if the ends justified the emans? Would you experiment on turning them into husks to perfect the process, thus killing them in horrific ways?

Or is that only acceptable to other people?

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Stop avoiding the question; would you sacrifice your family, lover, child etc for the greater good if the ends justified the emans? Would you experiment on turning them into husks to perfect the process, thus killing them in horrific ways?

Or is that only acceptable to other people?

 

It's not avoiding the question. It's pointing out the flaw in your statement: why do I have to specifically sacrifice the people I care about?

 

It's defeated with the notion, of no, I don't have to sacrifice any person in particular. None of the experiments require any specific demographic. In which case, I have a choice over who gets the boot. In which case, sayonara orphans of Africa. In which case (rule of three), yay, advancements and progress for everyone else. 

 

If it came to the point where I'd have to test the process on the people I cared about, I'd be nuts for running through 7 billion other people. I'd probably do an experiment with 5 people, and if it didn't work, abandon that method for lack of forthcoming progress from said method.

[von uber]

It's not avoiding the question. It's pointing out the flaw in your statement: why do I have to specifically sacrifice the people I care about? 

 

It's defeated with the notion, of no, I don't have to sacrifice any person in particular. In which case, I have a choice over who gets the boot. In which case, sayonara orphans of Africa. In which case (rule of three), yay, advancements and progress for everyone else. 

 

So basically the answer is no then. Some 'sacrifice anything for the greater good' person you are then; if you really believed that then there would be no hesitation. Therefore it's all just bluster isn't it.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

So basically the answer is no then. Some 'sacrifice anything for the greater good' person you are then; if you really believed that then there would be no hesitation. Therefore it's all just bluster isn't it.

 

The answer isn't so much 'no' so much as it is 'why'. Your argument doesn't have a logical flow. You're assuming that to be an 'end justifies the mean' person, I must somehow put relevant things to me on the chopping block first. To be frank, why should I? 

 

You haven't argued against my point: A sacrifice is a sacrifice for the greater good. The experiments and methods don't require anyone in particular. Therefore, if I don't need my loved ones for my purposes, why should I use them?

[jtav]

Because it makes you a pathetic coward. Easy to sacrifice when it's not something you care about on the chopping block.

[KaiserShep]

So, that Renegade Shepard? What a character, amirite?

[KaiserShep]

Anyway, full-tilt Renegade Shepard is a [funny] tool, and full Paragon Shepard is a bit of a sap. The in-between is where it's at, I tell ya what.

[jtav]

I dunno. I'm planning to run my current Shep as a pretty strict Paragon (BDTS, heretic, and maybe Tali's trial excepted). He's a pretty good hero, even if his end is really depressing.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

Because it makes you a pathetic coward. Easy to sacrifice when it's not something you care about on the chopping block.

 

I disagree completely. I think you're a pathetic coward for not wanting to take the methods to survive or progress in the first place. I find it morally craven to be so weak as to not do what you have to do.

 

I'm under no obligation or need to be the one to have to sacrifice. If extenuating circumstances arise where it needs something dear, then yes, I will sacrifice if I need too. The thing is, I don't need to sacrifice personally. Any person will do. I'm useful. There are people who can't and won't ever be useful in life. I'll do a favor to humanity and make them useful in death.

[themikefest]

It still cracks me up that a paragon Shepard can have a worse playthrough then a renegade Shepard. Either way, most playthroughs I'm a renegade.

[KaiserShep]

I dunno. I'm planning to run my current Shep as a pretty strict Paragon (BDTS, heretic, and maybe Tali's trial excepted). He's a pretty good hero, even if his end is really depressing.

 

There are some moments where a paragon action can seem very un-paragon, like pistol whipping Gavin Archer, and threatening to break Harrot's legs for forcing the quarian into an obligation to remain uncompetitive.

[Battlemaster1313]

I wasn't meaning I don't do any renegade actions i'm about 70/30, I know about the merc scenes etc. I just always thought everyone was talking about full renegade 

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I'm 100/100 on both ends anyway. 

 

I don't see the point of not being everything.

[Battlemaster1313]

The shite speech system, trying to keep the most people alive is tough when you're in the middle

[KaiserShep]

It kind of depends. ME's morality system shifts with each game.

[themikefest]

The shite speech system, trying to keep the most people alive is tough when you're in the middle

Its not that hard. It all depends on what you do in your playthrough.

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

It kind of depends. ME's morality system shifts with each game.

 

Indeed. ME's was best, and ME2's was the worst.

 

I still don't understand the bloody Reputation system in ME3. I mean, what the hell does it even do?

[KaiserShep]

I never really read up on reputation points, but I just assumed that each character had a certain number of points you could earn to unlock certain scenes, like how Liara won't come up to your cabin to show you the capsule if you don't have enough, and the VS' trust in Shepard can vary based on the points earned by visiting (and possibly asking Dr. Michel about his/her condition, as this also gets points).

 

But I agree about ME's being the best. I enjoyed the fact that you could unlock all of the dialogue without having to go too strongly in an alignment you may not really care for.

[themikefest]

I never really read up on reputation points, but I just assumed that each character had a certain number of points you could earn to unlock certain scenes, like how Liara won't come up to your cabin to show you the capsule if you don't have enough, and the VS' trust in Shepard can vary based on the points earned by visiting (and possibly asking Dr. Michel about his/her condition, as this also gets points).

 

But I agree about ME's being the best. I enjoyed the fact that you could unlock all of the dialogue without having to go too strongly in an alignment you may not really care for.

Isn't Liara coming up to the cabin dependent on talking with her or not?

[Hello!I'mTheDoctor]

I never really read up on reputation points, but I just assumed that each character had a certain number of points you could earn to unlock certain scenes, like how Liara won't come up to your cabin to show you the capsule if you don't have enough, and the VS' trust in Shepard can vary based on the points earned by visiting (and possibly asking Dr. Michel about his/her condition, as this also gets points).

 

But I agree about ME's being the best. I enjoyed the fact that you could unlock all of the dialogue without having to go too strongly in an alignment you may not really care for.

 

Plus, you could mess with the game to max both of your alignments, though the downside to this is that you're stuck with importing a paragon Shepard into ME2. That said, you also get an easier bonus to max out both alignment bars in ME2 again. As I said, I still have no clue how alignment works in ME3 so I won't comment, other than the game seems to reward you more for paragon action than renegade.

[jtav]

Basically, reputation points make the bar go up just like P/R, but don't change the percentage composition. Checks are made on the total number of points regardless of how the points are disturbed. P/R itself only matters for the scars and some dialogue.

[Dabrikishaw]

I like how Mass Effect 1 did it the most, bu Mass Effect 3 is good too.