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#51
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I once made a post about how you can max out your mana gain if you build kindergartens around your sacrifical altar and only sacrifice little girls (they worth the most mana).

 

I got shunned to Hell and back, don't know why.

 

People who are preaching you can't make a difference between reality and vidjagames while getting crazy about violence in games are the most funny example of cognitive dissonance ever.

 

Can you elaborate a bit on that? 

 

I'm a bit tired so I may be misunderstanding you.



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[...]

 

 

EDIT: Seems like people prefer to just troll instead of discussing.

 

 

 

DISCLAIMER: 

- Isn't an English pro (punctuation, spelling, word use)

- Not a psychology expert. No degrees what so ever

- A bit psychopathic at times. Especially against other psychopaths

 

Stupid questions deserve stupid answers. I wouldn't mind much about it.


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#53
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Stupid questions deserve stupid answers. I wouldn't mind much about it.

 

Not necessarily. 

 

He has poor wording (especially for the title), but he is not really asking a "stupid question". 



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Not necessarily. 

 

He has poor wording (especially for the title), but he is not really asking a "stupid question". 

When I answered the thread title was some generalisation about gamers being psychopaths. I found that stupid.



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When I answered the thread title was some generalisation about gamers being psychopaths. I found that stupid.

 

I did state that I was aware the thread title sounded like a cheap anti-gamer thing right? Also that my English was not perfect like many forumers?



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So this thread is about having mental issues?

 

I experience the same amount of anxiety and shyness that Richard Nixon had (not much, but people don't take you seriously). I tried (and failed) to overcome them and have more success in the society. But I understood no one appreciates the things I say and the works I do. Then I returned to be a hardcore gamer for another unknown time...



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I did state that I was aware the thread title sounded like a cheap anti-gamer thing right? Also that my English was not perfect like many forumers?

The thing is that I didn't check the post because I found the title already putting me off. Don't know about your English but it seems good enough for me - not a native either.

 

Now, what I think is that it probably has to do with people exposing themselves in "public". Public, as in internet public. They impersonate. They try to get attention. The type that's going for attention *might* be disposed to psychopathic traits but honestly I don't think a generalisation would do this phenomenon good either.



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It really depends. If you were to say that we were focused on taking medication to treat everything that we are diagnosed with then I agree. However, the thing that defines a mental disorder is being maladaptive (harmful/interrupting life). 

 

If I were to have a habit of constantly washing my hands would I have a mental disorder? Yes and no. Yes in the fact that I am showing obsessive-compulsive behavior, but also no as long as I don't end up washing my hands to the extent that they start bleeding. A lot of people also meet the criteria for suffering from unipolar (major) depression, but it depends on how long the depression lasts to actually need treatment for it. Unfortunately, we have people that are depressed for three days, go to a psychiatrist (usually only prescribe medication) and suddenly think they are "cured" which leads to more of a problem later on.

 

Does having psychopathic tendencies (clinically known as antisocial tendencies) mean that you are a psychopath (antisocial personality disorder is the clinical term)? Absolutely not, people can show tendencies but this does not always mean that they will be diagnosed as psychopaths. Similarly, just because a person that plays GTA and constantly kills civilians does not mean that they are psychopaths. It can be considered worrisome, but we can not show a cause/effect between video game violence and real life violence.

 

We can show a correlation, but that's a different can of worms that is easily construed by people not educated in statistics.

 

Yes, but that does not necessarily mean that they actually have that disorder. There's an interesting book by Ethan Waters entitled Crazy Like Us about that subject.

 

I agree mostly with what you said. I just don't agree that the fact that every person somehow meeting criteria of a disorder is good counsel. Some people may be perturbed by it, and it's not wrong to believe in being mentally healthy, at least for functional people.



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What if your the opposite? I sometimes treat NPCs better then some humans because the NPCs didn't stab me in the back.



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By and large, especially in games like Skyrim, there's nothing there to empathise with. These characters don't have inner lives. At best they have day routines almost indistinguishable from a path finding algorithm. If you changed their characters models to robots, it wouldn't change much else about the impression that they give - they're... part of the furniture.

Some characters are more realistic, not in terms of the graphics behind them but in terms of the impression that they have personalities and stories, and I would be more worried if people did terrible things to them.

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I am quite ashamed of my American citizenship

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I am quite ashamed of my American citizenship

:(

 

Why?



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I once made a post about how you can max out your mana gain if you build kindergartens around your sacrifical altar and only sacrifice little girls (they worth the most mana).

 

I got shunned to Hell and back, don't know why.

 

People who are preaching you can't make a difference between reality and vidjagames while getting crazy about violence in games are the most funny example of cognitive dissonance ever.

haha lol indeed little children give the most energy

 

their purity of soul and the agony of their parents feed the gods with power, I used to also teach my creature to torture and murder people for my amusement

 

I dont know why people got upset about it, the game was about playing GOD and that's what god does every second of every day ; / gives u nice stuff then takes them away one by one until u pray fro the sweetness of death to take u ... and then u go to hell to amuse him some more : /



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Can you elaborate a bit on that? 

 

I'm a bit tired so I may be misunderstanding you.

its a game called black and white

 

pretty fun :P



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Well, Elliot Rodger played a lot of WoW.



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I agree mostly with what you said. I just don't agree that the fact that every person somehow meeting criteria of a disorder is good counsel. Some people may be perturbed by it, and it's not wrong to believe in being mentally healthy, at least for functional people.

 

Well that is the thing isn't it.

 

If you're functional what does it matter?

 

It's when you're not functional that you should seek help.

 

If you feel insulted that you may meet the criteria for a mental disorder (when you're functional) you really need to get your priorities straight.



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Why?

We are all a bunch of selfish jerks, not necessarily Psychos. I cringe when I hear horror-stories about my fellow yanks being rude jackasses. 

 

That said, metal illness and douchebaggery are very subjective.

^_^



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Well that is the thing isn't it.

 

If you're functional what does it matter?

 

It's when you're not functional that you should seek help.

 

If you feel insulted that you may meet the criteria for a mental disorder (when you're functional) you really need to get your priorities straight.

 

Perturbed and convinced, not insulted. Just like the OP. Functionality is still a blurred line that defines mental health, which in itself a difficult to define. It is useful in that mental health clinicians who want measures that show their interventions are reducing symptoms and aiding daily living skills. However, the issue is murkier. Mental illness and mental health are sometimes not mutually exclusive states, just like physical chronic conditions. For example, I tutored a kid who recently told me he recently was prescribed a relatively fast-acting tricyclic. Sure, the rationale could be to relieve anxiety, but his affect was flat, which was different from a baseline behavior of his normal, which was socially interactive, hygenic, mobile, with a healthy appetite for Chipotle. Even he expressed doubt on why he's on a drug but still was convinced enough to comply.



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Perturbed and convinced, not insulted. Just like the OP. Functionality is still a blurred line that defines mental health, which in itself a difficult to define. It is useful in that mental health clinicians who want measures that show their interventions are reducing symptoms and aiding daily living skills. However, the issue is murkier. Mental illness and mental health are sometimes not mutually exclusive states, just like physical chronic conditions. For example, I tutored a kid who recently told me he recently was prescribed a relatively fast-acting tricyclic. Sure, the rationale could be to relieve anxiety, but his affect was flat, which was different from a baseline behavior of his normal, which was socially interactive, hygenic, mobile, with a healthy appetite for Chipotle. Even he expressed doubt on why he's on a drug but still was convinced enough to comply.

 

Which is why I am opposed to prescribing psychiatric medication (definitely not to children) unless it's for something that is purely biochemical (bipolar disorder comes to mind). There are various other reasons why a child may feel anxious/depressed which either revolves around the child's family situation/school situation. Should he have been placed on a tricyclic?

 

Probably not. Unfortunately, since mental health has such a stigma in Western countries people would rather take a drug (with numerous side effects - not to mention the problems that may arise in children). Which is more of a problem with society itself, a belief that psychiatrists (medical doctors that don't receive ANY psychological training until residency whose main job is to prescribe medication) are the best people to see, and a dependence on (unethical) pharmaceutical companies, but that's a discussion best left for another thread.


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I killed every NPC in Skyrim.

im psychopath

I killed every NPC in Fallout with a rock, get on my level.



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I like cake. Beat that!



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I was just listening to the leprechaun.



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I was psychotic from day one, it's not a lack of empathy it's the fact that people are *******s and I operate under that assumption unless they prove otherwise. Though they usually die first.

 

I already did a few mass killings.

last time I did, 134 people were gassed.

 

I-dont-want-to-live-on-this-planet-anymo



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So to answer OP's question, it's more a matter of the robustness of play. We as actors in the game understand that we are not actually committing the acts proposed. The simplest example is the behavior of small children, who play-fight frequently. They are not actually attempting to injure or dominate one another in these scenarios; they are simply playing. As they get older, the complexity grows: they'll be cops and robbers trying to steal things and "kill" one another. It's not that they feel that stealing is acceptable or that killing someone for stealing is appropriate. There is an understanding, even as young children, that it's not real. Adults don't lose that capacity.

...though I totally wouldn't doubt that the narcissistic tendencies of LPers wouldn't encourage a lack of empathy besides. ;)

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when playing God games u can rly go pretty much on the extreme end of evil

 

I mean the things I did in black and white or populous ... just wow

 

setting a kid on fire then picking him up and throwing him in the kinder garden so that his friends can watch, or killing children and laying their bodies in the town square then setting fire to the town just to put icing on the cake...etc or throwing people in the water then let their fellow villagers cry as they watch their friends drown to death then throwing the dead body in their face and then scarifying them on the temple alter

 

the list goes on.... but its ok I guess .. I was role playing GOD after all :P