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[Dermain]

Well, I finally ended up with a good random roll in my 769 Bavandid campaign (the son had the content trait) which allowed me to easily convert to Sunni and ward off revocation by the Abbasid caliph. It then took me 200 years to gain enough territory to be able to sustain myself (and reconvert to Zoroastrianism), but that was also helped by the Abbasids losing the Caliphate and the Empire during a decadence revolt. It then took me another 65 years to be able to form the Empire of Persia, and I don't know how long it's going to take me to become the Shaoshyant after that.

 

The rest of the world was also unlucky. England is completely destabilized, Charlemagne failed in forming Francia (shocking I know), and the Af Munso's were wiped out by the Polish (no idea what happened there). Meanwhile in Spain, the Umayyad's formed Hispania and conquered Aquitaine (causing crusades to be called early), but then they lost control of it when the last legitimate heir died causing the Empire to be inherited by a bastard. In the rest of Scandinavia the Soumonesko(?) religion was reformed, and they pretty much wiped out the Norse pagans.

 

This should make the Byzantine fans happy, the Byzantines have reconquered all of their territory in Bulgaria, Sicily, Armenia, and Italy and are still going strong. Although they are no longer ruled by the Isauros family. The Empire is currently expanding further into Italy, and they have begun to expand into Carpathia. They even took advantage of the destabilized Caliphate to seize territory in Azerbaijan (before my truce was up when I was still Sunni), and Jazira from the weakened Sunni Caliph (who had just lost yet another decadence revolt). 

 

When the Abbasids lost the Caliphate they were spread all over their former territory. One part held the Sultanate of Mesopotamia (until he was wiped out by the Shia Caliph rebellion), another held the Sultanate of Syria before losing it to another family, and the rest ended up in Afghanistan. (Un)fortunately, the Shadom of Afghanistan is now a de jure part of the Arabian Empire, but I was able to vassalize an Abbasid Sheikh before I converted. I was then able to ask him to convert to Zoroastrianism so now I have a Zoroastrian Abbasid Satrap under my control which I find hilarious. Afghanistan continues to be the only territory I'm having trouble conquering, mostly because the Ghaznavid's were succesful in conquering the Kingdom of Punjab, and are always called in to defend Kabulistan (the last duchy I need) with their 40k event army. The Ghaznavid's were also a loyal supporter of the Caliph when I was holy warring them down, but I was able to keep their event army distracted with a small force while I conquered everything.

 

Edit: Through some careful planning I was able to keep the Karen family alive as well as my vassals, but I wasn't as lucky with the rest of the Zoroastrian families.

 

The Ghaznavid's ended up at war with one of the Maharajah's of India which destroyed their event army so I was able to get all of Afhanistan. Now time to go poke the hornet's nest of the Byzantines for the last five counties.

[Dermain]

Well, as is typical with this restoration campaign (for me anyways) I decided to restart the campaign, but I did remember to take two screenshots prior to over writing the save. Which I would post here but apparently the forum doesn't like Steam and I'm far too lazy to upload them elsewhere so they would work.

 

The interesting part being that the AI Byzantine Empire was attempting to reform the Roman Empire, but that all fell apart when the mongols invaded and conquered them. Which led to a series of revolts that the AI had absolutely no chance of winning. 

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Well, as is typical with this restoration campaign (for me anyways) I decided to restart the campaign, but I did remember to take two screenshots prior to over writing the save. Which I would post here but apparently the forum doesn't like Steam and I'm far too lazy to upload them elsewhere so they would work.

 

The interesting part being that the AI Byzantine Empire was attempting to reform the Roman Empire, but that all fell apart when the mongols invaded and conquered them. Which led to a series of revolts that the AI had absolutely no chance of winning. 

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[Degenerate Rakia Time]

do zoroastrians have the holy war CB?

[Dermain]

do zoroastrians have the holy war CB?

 

Yes but you have to be independent or under a Zoroastrian lord in order to use it though. The easiest route to playing a Zoroastrian is to play as the Saffarid's in 867 then convert through one of the counties in Khorasan.

 

If you're trying to play as the Bavandid's (like me) you need to get a lucky role with your heir so he has content, and then transfer him to a Muslim lord who will ask him to convert. Once he's converted, ideally before Sorkhab dies, you can then start slowly expanding under the Abbasids until you can form a kingdom or two (Khiva being the easiest over Persia) until you either get powerful enough to become independent or the Caliphate falls apart due to numerous decadence revolts. You then need to secure Khiva, 90% of Persia, Afghanistan, Baluchistan, and parts of Mesopotamia before being able to form the Empire.

 

From there you can then immediately restore the priesthood, which I do not recommended since the Priest of Priests instantly calls for a holy war for the remaining kingdom, or wait until you have secured it yourself through holy wars before restoring it. Either way, once the Priest of Priests is back the Immortals instantly reform as a holy order, and you should instantly vassalize them (they always say yes). The Immortals are a combination of light infantry, heavy infantry, and archers between 7k-8k troop strength (and due to a bug with raising and dismissing are pretty much always at full capacity as long as you have the 30 piety to keep raising them). 

 

 

this forum needs a dislike button...

 

Oh fine. 

 

Europe:

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My territory:

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[Degenerate Rakia Time]

i like your version of Europe, lots of small independent realms. mine is fully controlled by 6 empires and a horde....

 

 

oh, and are you intentionally staying away from Jerusalem? afraid of the Pope?

[Dermain]

i like your version of Europe, lots of small independent realms. mine is fully controlled by 6 empires and a horde....

 

Well, the Umayyad's, and their successors, held all of Hispania, Aquitaine, and a majority of France but that all fell apart when they were successfully attacked by a decadence revolt under the Yazidi heresy. That caused all of their vassals to declare independce, and I was happily surprised that the Ummayad's hadn't fully died out as I had expected (unlike the Af Munso dynasty) as they became the Sultans of Maurentia and Asturias independently. Aquitaine was always in a state of flux as it was holy warred away by Hispania, and then crusaded away by the pope at least 6 times. After I had kicked the Sunni Caliphate out of Arabia, they instantly launched a succesful jihad against the Yazidi's in Spain, but then he ended up in a perpetual war with the various Umayyad powers for control over Hispania.

 

Egypt had fallen to a Shia uprising and continued to be a thorn in my side along with Sunni Abbysinia. All territory labeled Akin is now a dejure part of Egypt, and I still had a lot to conquer before I could start restoring the actual de jure kingdom of Nubia.

 

Scandinavia/Eastern Europe were always a shitshow. The Finnish religion had been reformed and was responsible for the death of the Norse religion (and many of the Norse families). Bavaria and the Byzantines had been fighting each other over Pannonia for quite some time, but that was finally put to rest with a successful Crusade from the (deposed) Pope since the Byzantines had reclaimed Rome.

 

Middle Francia is an oddity to me, but I suppose since I started in 769 it couldn't be renamed Lotharinga when the Karlings lost the throne (no idea when that occurred). As for the Brittish Isles, Scotland at one time held the entirety of England and half of Ireland before the Irish were able to take control of Scotland (Alba) which sent everyone into rebellion. The Irish only held the throne for one generation before the family converted to Scottish culture. Italy also decided to invade and secured the duchies of Kent and Lancaster, which eventually became de jure Italy.

 

I was actually quite impressed with the AI Byzantines trying to restore Rome. I generally tend to leave them be unless the Priest of Priest declares a great holy war for Greece/Anatolia (he never called for one at all so I consider that a win). One of the main reasons for restarting the campaign was because of the lolwut? Genghis Khan take over of the Byzantine Empire. It just sapped all of the fun out of it.

 

oh, and are you intentionally staying away from Jerusalem? afraid of the Pope?

 

Yes, I usually do. Mostly because I prefer to have the Kingdom of Jerusalem formed so I can usurp it and viceroy it off to some poor sob since only Christians can form it. 

 

By 1219 I had successfully fought off at least 10 jihads (Shia and Sunni). My main retinue numbered 24k troops and could fight off stacks of 50k men (yay for realm destroying revolt doom stacks). A crusade would have been a cake walk.

 

A horde doom stack from the  Ilkhanate (if they still exist) not so much.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

hmm, so heres the plan

1. create a custom character in 769

2. use some save editing to make him part of the Sassanid dynasty

3. conquer everything south of Constantinople

4. help the Byzantines restore the Roman Empire and conquer everything north of Constantinople (because the Sassanids need their arch-enemy)

5. export to EU4

[Dermain]

hmm, so heres the plan

1. create a custom character in 769

2. use some save editing to make him part of the Sassanid dynasty

3. conquer everything south of Constantinople

4. help the Byzantines restore the Roman Empire and conquer everything north of Constantinople (because the Sassanids need their arch-enemy)

5. export to EU4

 

Uh...sure that works...I guess...

 

The Bavandids claimed ancestry from Bav, who was suppsoedly the grandson of prince Kawus, brother of Shahanshah Khosrau I. The veracity of this will probably never be proven, as the last "true" Bavandid ruler was murdered by an offshoot branch of the family in the 1300's. 

 

I also tend to usually play in Ironman mode (since I don't play with mods - the horror I know), and it (partially) stops me from save scumming the moment something bad happens. So that rules out the ruler creator option.

 

I also don't have EU4, and I don't really want to spend another $100 in order to actually play that game either.

 

I generally tend to do some research on the families I end up playing as in CK2 just to try to understand them a bit better. Although, I wish I could get an actual pronunciation of same of the names. 

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Uh...sure that works...I guess...

 

The Bavandids claimed ancestry from Bav, who was suppsoedly the grandson of prince Kawus, brother of Shahanshah Khosrau I. The veracity of this will probably never be proven, as the last "true" Bavandid ruler was murdered by an offshoot branch of the family in the 1300's. 

 

I also tend to usually play in Ironman mode (since I don't play with mods - the horror I know), and it (partially) stops me from save scumming the moment something bad happens. So that rules out the ruler creator option.

 

I also don't have EU4, and I don't really want to spend another $100 in order to actually play that game either.

 

I generally tend to do some research on the families I end up playing as in CK2 just to try to understand them a bit better. Although, I wish I could get an actual pronunciation of same of the names. 

not my fault there isnt a living Sassanid in the game

[Dermain]

not my fault there isnt a living Sassanid in the game

 

The Bavandids come the closest I believe. 

 

The Uyghur would probably be the closest seeing as a number of the Zoroastrian nobility did flee into the Eurasian steppes after the Arab conquest of Persia. Which is actually something that irks me about the game. In history the Bavandids (as well as a majority of Persia) stayed Zoroastrian for a number of centuries before finally converting, but in the game you have to convert almost instantly (yay random roles for the heir) in order to be able to survive for ten years.

 

Failing that, there's the Justanid's of Gilan and the Karen family of Dihistan, but I haven't checked either family for their relationship to the Sassanid empire.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

random thought - if i divorce my wife will she get half the empire?

[AventuroLegendary]

hmm, so heres the plan

1. create a custom character in 769

2. use some save editing to make him part of the Sassanid dynasty

3. conquer everything south of Constantinople

4. help the Byzantines restore the Roman Empire and conquer everything north of Constantinople (because the Sassanids need their arch-enemy)

5. Have the Byzantines magically revert to Hellenism

 

Basically the entire premise of the Lux Invicta mod. 

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Basically the entire premise of the Lux Invicta mod. 

magically? thats what the console is for did it in all my Roman games

[Steelcan]

I'm still working on my Byzantine game, married Matilda of Tuscany so all that land she rules will be brought into the empire upon my son's ascension

[Fast Jimmy]

random thought - if i divorce my wife will she get half the empire?

Nah... medieval divorce didn't have nearly the drawbacks today's divorce does.

[Dermain]

random thought - if i divorce my wife will she get half the empire?

 

There's no succession law in the game where that is even possible.

[Dermain]

Well, in my current Zoroastrian restoration game the Byzantine Empire was effectively wiped out by an Abbasid jihad, a successful Khazar subjugation, and then a successful Abbasid subjugation on the Khazar rulers of the Empire. Meanwhile in Hispania and France the Ummayad's have taken over Aquitaine, beat back four crusades, and our now advancing further into France.

 

In Britannia, England's still a clusterfuck, and Ireland and Scotland are in an eternal battle over who will rule both kingdoms. Scandinavia is in an interesting position though. A quarter of it is catholic, half of it is still Germanic, another quarter is Soumonesko (not reformed this time), and the final quarter is Baltic pagan (ya, no idea here). The Af Munso family has also survived, but they're count level vassals under Denmark.

 

Persia:

 

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Europe: 

 

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[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Nah... medieval divorce didn't have nearly the drawbacks today's divorce does.

 

 

There's no succession law in the game where that is even possible.

i still might give it to her for hilarity reasons

[Dermain]

i still might give it to her for hilarity reasons

 

You need absolute cognatic succession in order to give her a title though.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

You need absolute cognatic succession in order to give her a title though.

its the first thing i do, how else will all 16 of my daughters have kingdoms

[Dermain]

its the first thing i do, how else will all 16 of my daughters have kingdoms

 

I'm still surprised you haven't voiced your outrage over the fall of the Greek Byzantines.

 

The current Khagan of the Byzantine Empire:

 

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

I'm still surprised you haven't voiced your outrage over the fall of the Greek Byzantines.

 

The current Khagan of the Byzantine Empire:

 

eh, **** the greeks and **** the Byzantine Empire, i am a roman ruling the ROMAN Empire

 

also, since i play as Leo IV, who in reality was known as Leo The Khazar i have nothing against khazars ruling Byzantine

[Dermain]

eh, **** the greeks and **** the Byzantine Empire, i am a roman ruling the ROMAN Empire

 

also, since i play as Leo IV, who in reality was known as Leo The Khazar i have nothing against khazars ruling Byzantine

 

Yes, but the Khagan is Sunni not Orthodox Christian, and he's also responsible for the fall of Constantinople. In a related note, one of the Ummayad's usurped the Caliphate and the Arabian Empire from the Abbasids during that whole time frame, and the Ghaznavid's converted to Zoroastrianism for some reason.

[Degenerate Rakia Time]

Yes, but the Khagan is Sunni not Orthodox Christian, and he's also responsible for the fall of Constantinople. In a related note, one of the Ummayad's usurped the Caliphate and the Arabian Empire from the Abbasids during that whole time frame, and the Ghaznavid's converted to Zoroastrianism for some reason.

who cares about orthodox christians? in my game they are as extinct as catholics hellenism all the way