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[The Ascendant]

I was replaying Origins recently and as I went through the Temple of Sacred Ashes and listened to the story of Andraste I am more convinced that she was a mage. Her ability to mediate for days sounds a great deal like entering the Fade in a trance similar to Felassan. The natural disasters that afflicted the Imperium? Magical attacks. Her execution? The Tevinter Magisters are magical experts, they would have fashioned some device to negate her magic allowing themto kill her easily. This would certainly be an interesting revelation in Inquisition and for the Chantry. I am not dismissing the Maker entirely, but isn't it easier to contact a mage than a normal human from the Fade?

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I actually hope this isn't the case. Them doing the "She was just a mage" card would really ruin the mystique about Andraste. 

[Ynqve]

I hope she is a mage, I would rub it so hard in the chantry's face! "HAH, I BET YOU FEEL ALL KINDS OF SILLY NOW, DON'T YA!"

[Samahl]

I think she's a mage and an OGB.

[Basement Cat]

Andraste the mage! Andraste the prophet! Andraste the flamethrower!

 

*ahem* I think it likely that she was a mage, but I don't think Bioware will ever confirm or deny that. I could be wrong of course.

[HiroVoid]

I hope she is a mage, I would rub it so hard in the chantry's face! "HAH, I BET YOU FEEL ALL KINDS OF SILLY NOW, DON'T YA!"

Andraste being a mage wouldn't change the dangers of mages being possed by demons, etc.

 

I do agree that I generally like to keep a lot of the mythology/lore in secret though I hope we can visit the Black City in Dragon Age: Inquisition.

[Ynqve]

Andraste being a mage wouldn't change the dangers of mages being possed by demons, etc.

 

I do agree that I generally like to keep a lot of the mythology/lore in secret though I hope we can visit the Black City in Dragon Age: Inquisition.

 

It would still be incredibly funny. Here they are telling everyone how dangerous mages are and that they must be kept under lock and key for the greater good. And then it turns out that they've been worshiping a mage all along. 

[Dean_the_Young]

It would still be incredibly funny. Here they are telling everyone how dangerous mages are and that they must be kept under lock and key for the greater good. And then it turns out that they've been worshiping a mage all along. 

As a prophet, whose legitimacy comes from the Maker that she believed in. She wasn't a mage ruler, so she passes the 'magic should serve man, not rule them' check, and there's no indication she was even aware she was a mage. If she was an untrained hedge mage, her powers would manifest in unique ways that wouldn't necessarily be at her own control, she wouldn't be able to perform conventional magic, and there wouldn't even necessarily need to be conscious intent. Then, of course, is the point that Andraste being a mage doesn't mean that the miracles accounted for couldn't still be miraculous in origin- certainly whatever happened wasn't conventional magecraft as recognized by either her followers or the mageocracy they opposed.

 

Of course, more likely than Andraste being a mage who believed in a god is the possibility of Andraste being a god herself. Dumat's Old God Baby in particular. She was born the same year he died in the end of the First Blight, for some reason the armor of the First Warden Hero found its way to Ferelden where she is alleged to have been born, I believe there is the insinuation that the Dark Ritual may have been done before, and her being an Old God would explain the unrecognized and unconventional powers she may have held.

 

 

Plus, which would you find more ironic: Andrastians revering a hedgemage who believed in a possibly non-existentient deity, or Andrastians revering a pagan Old God who herself was worshipping a possibly non-existent deity in turn?

[Ynqve]

Plus, which would you find more ironic: Andrastians revering a hedgemage who believed in a possibly non-existentient deity, or Andrastians revering a pagan Old God who herself was worshipping a possibly non-existent deity in turn?

 

I don't know, both would be hilarious. But I don't think they'll ever confirm it one way or another, they'll just hint at the truth. I just don't want her to be the Maker's special snowflake, that would be boring. 

[Solaria]

 

I hope she is a mage, I would rub it so hard in the chantry's face! "HAH, I BET YOU FEEL ALL KINDS OF SILLY NOW, DON'T YA!"

 

 

As a prophet, whose legitimacy comes from the Maker that she believed in. She wasn't a mage ruler, so she passes the 'magic should serve man, not rule them' check, and there's no indication she was even aware she was a mage. If she was an untrained hedge mage, her powers would manifest in unique ways that wouldn't necessarily be at her own control, she wouldn't be able to perform conventional magic, and there wouldn't even necessarily need to be conscious intent. Then, of course, is the point that Andraste being a mage doesn't mean that the miracles accounted for couldn't still be miraculous in origin- certainly whatever happened wasn't conventional magecraft as recognized by either her followers or the mageocracy they opposed.

 

Of course, more likely than Andraste being a mage who believed in a god is the possibility of Andraste being a god herself. Dumat's Old God Baby in particular. She was born the same year he died in the end of the First Blight, for some reason the armor of the First Warden Hero found its way to Ferelden where she is alleged to have been born, I believe there is the insinuation that the Dark Ritual may have been done before, and her being an Old God would explain the unrecognized and unconventional powers she may have held.

 

 

Plus, which would you find more ironic: Andrastians revering a hedgemage who believed in a possibly non-existentient deity, or Andrastians revering a pagan Old God who herself was worshipping a possibly non-existent deity in turn?

 

 

I don't know, both would be hilarious. But I don't think they'll ever confirm it one way or another, they'll just hint at the truth. I just don't want her to be the Maker's special snowflake, that would be boring. 

 

 Both for these reasons and it would be the most ironic thing ever, it also seems likely with Bioware's twisty logic and humour and I can so see them doing this. 

[SnakeCode]

Andraste being a mage wouldn't change the dangers of mages being possed by demons, etc.

 

I do agree that I generally like to keep a lot of the mythology/lore in secret though I hope we can visit the Black City in Dragon Age: Inquisition.

I think it's one of those plot "twists" that are so obvious that it ceases to be a twist. There are far more interesting directions they could go with Andraste, but as you said, I'd rather we never find out, ambiguity is always a sure way to keep things interesting, and it encourages interesting debate.

[The Ascendant]

Let me clarify. She was a slave in the Tevinter Imperium, so it is probable that her magical potential was seen and maybe her master trained her in order to be useful. I imagine a well trained mage slave would be useful. This is where she received her training. I do not believe she is the Old God Dumat reborn, although if she was born the year he fell, it makes for an intriguing coincidence. I sincerly doubt a hedge mage, no matter how powerful could undermine an empire ruled by the most poerful mages in history. She used their training against them. Fight fire with fire. 

[Chewin]

Hope it really never gets revealed whether she was a mage or not. I think it adds layer to the lore of DA how it portrays historical "Unknowns" and it is up to the player to make their own interpretation / conclusion of it. 

[Medhia_Nox]

Honestly, I think it would be more interesting if she were really the Bride of the Maker. 

 

Pandering to outcasts is by FAR the more common choice in current culture.

[Mistic]

Plus, which would you find more ironic: Andrastians revering a hedgemage who believed in a possibly non-existentient deity, or Andrastians revering a pagan Old God who herself was worshipping a possibly non-existent deity in turn?

 

The second one, of course. The irony would be endless. I mean, Andraste was also the Bride of the Maker. Think about it: the Maker fell in love with the reincarnation of the Old God who suggested the Magisters to invade His home and got tainted as punishment. The Chantry also teaches that the Maker left the world the first time because humanity worshipped the Old Gods instead of Him and then came back... because of Andraste. So tsundere funny.

 

Also, Andraste taught from the beginning that the Archdemon was one of the Old Gods, something that wasn't public knowledge at that time. Interesting.

[Gervaise]

I have previously suggested that Andraste could be the equivalent of the Rivaini wise women.   They are hedge mages who deliberately allow themselves to become possessed by spirits, which is really no different to Wynne and others, and then impart their wisdom.    Since we have not met any Rivaini wise women and have been given only a small amount of lore regarding them, it is difficult to know with certainty how this manifests itself.  

 

However, if she was a non-mage in contact with a powerful spirit, this could be why it seemed so strange and filled people with awe because it is not something that is encountered everyday.  

 

I know that the wife of the archon suggests in the Gauntlet that she urged him to burn her so she would suffer but it occurs to me that it could also have something to do with the fact that she was claiming contact with the Maker (clearly a powerful spirit).   Felassan comments that one of the few customs of humans that he approves of is burning the dead because they cannot then be possessed by spirits.     Both Wynne and Anders (see his short story) appear to escape death because as spirit possesses them.   It may well be that the Tevinter Magisters feared that even if she wasn't already possessed, that the Maker might possess her body after death (resurrect her so to speak), so they ensured this couldn't happen by burning her.

 

I think it highly unlikely that Andraste was an OGB.   For a start, why would Dumat (for that's who it would be) want to attack Tevinter and condemn them for invading the Golden city, when Corypheus confirms that they did so at his urging?      Andraste's mother would also have to have been in on the ritual and her shade in the Gauntlet gives no sign of being anything other than an ordinary mother who grieved for the loss of her child.

[LOLandStuff]

There are no Creators or Maker, just a demon of trolling doing it for the lulz.

[Daerog]

Eh, I'd find it fun and interesting if the Chant of Light was true and Andraste was a divinely favored woman who now acts as a mediator between the faithful and the Maker. Although, keeping it a mystery just makes it more fun.

 

The Circle and Templars are after the Chantry's founding, so they can change without the Chantry being wrong.

[Mistic]

I think it highly unlikely that Andraste was an OGB.   For a start, why would Dumat (for that's who it would be) want to attack Tevinter and condemn them for invading the Golden city, when Corypheus confirms that they did so at his urging?      Andraste's mother would also have to have been in on the ritual and her shade in the Gauntlet gives no sign of being anything other than an ordinary mother who grieved for the loss of her child.

 

Well, that is easy. First, we don't know is he remembered her past life, and would be horrified after discovering the truth. And even if that were the case, wouldn't it make sense if after the horrible First Blight Dumat had learnt regret and decided that it was all his/her fault and that the Old Gods shouldn't control humans anymore? The darkspawn corruption, the Blight and the death can be powerful events to change even a god's mind.

 

As for Brona, Andraste's mother, she only says two sentences in the Gauntlet:

-The riddle: "Echoes from a shadow realm, whispers of things yet to come. Thought's strange sister dwells in night, is swept away by dawning light. Of what do I speak?"

-The answer: "A dream came upon me, as my daughter slumbered beneath my heart. It told of her life and her betrayal and death. I am sorrow and regret. I am a mother weeping bitter tears for a daughter she could not save"

 

It doesn't say anything about her being ordinary or not, a mage or not, just a mother who loved her child. Morrigan could say those lines and still be in character.

[Gervaise]

Based on the Ritual we performed in DAO, Brona could not simply sleep with the Warden and then "had the Ritual performed on her afterwards".   If this had been the case, then there would have been no need for Morrigan to sleep with you a second time in order for the Ritual to work.   If you sleep with her in camp and then refuse the ritual either you, or the other warden with you, dies.    Also, whilst it may not be necessary for the woman involved to be a mage, it does seem to involve magic of some sort and thus it is likely that one of the parties, either Warden or woman, has to be a mage.  

 

Since all the original wardens were killed in the battle with Dumat, it is quite possible that someone other than a warden took the armour as a memento, hence it ending up somewhere other than Weisshaupt.   It doesn't necessarily mean that the warden who struck the killing blow didn't die and ended up in the Blackmarsh.  Just because the wardens all died, that doesn't mean there weren't other people on the field of battle to witness what happened.    The narrative records that none of the Grey Wardens survived the battle and there seem little reason to doubt that is what occurred.

 

I'm pretty sure the Maker, the Creators, the Forgotten and the Forbidden Ones are all types of powerful spirit.    The only thing that is open to question is whether the Maker was responsible for creating everything in the first place or simply one of equals, in which case the origins of the world and the Fade are unknown.   

[Senya]

Boring overused plot twist is boring.

[Dabrikishaw]

Andraste being a mage is as likely as the Maker himself showing up in a game. It's not going to happen.