Can't you find a lorebook theororizing that she's a mage in daO?
So yeah she could be a mage and maybe the maker was just a very powerful benevolent fade spirit she was in contact with but she's been dead so long there's probably no evidence either way
Andraste is the Maker's Prophet! Flemeth is Andraste! Andraste is Flemeth! Andraste is the dragon! Andraste is Flemeth and Flemeth is Fen'harel! Andraste was a mage! Andraste!! O HOLY ANDRASTE! O MIGHTY ANDRASTE
I don' know what she is, but I would hope they have something more interesting than "She was just a powerful mage" planned for her.
I don't think BioWare will either confirm or deny it.
But it would be absolutely hilarious to reveal to the Chantry, Seekers and Templars though. I think I'd buy DAI just for that. 
I hope she is a mage, I would rub it so hard in the chantry's face! "HAH, I BET YOU FEEL ALL KINDS OF SILLY NOW, DON'T YA!"
Why would they?
She brought down an Empire of evil mages, She was killed by mages.
Her being a mage doesn't negate the message that magic must be contained and never free.
Can't you find a lorebook theororizing that she's a mage in daO?
So yeah she could be a mage and maybe the maker was just a very powerful benevolent fade spirit she was in contact with but she's been dead so long there's probably no evidence either way
And if she were a Mage, she still felt magic was dangerous and thought it should be carefully controlled.
Personally, I think the deal with Andraste is just that she sang good. Just like red and blue lyrium and the Taint do, which can all be used to fuel magic.
That's why her singing is so emphasized, and why it supposedly drew the Maker to her. She could sing like Lyrium, and call upon the source of magic in that manner.
She probably tried to teach others to sing like her with her original Chant of Light, but all of the modern day Chantry are tone deaf and singing heavily edited verses that don't work right. But if everyone sings the Chant properly, the source of magic will fully return to the world and everything will be good.
Well. This is all my theory. But I like it.
Why would they?
She brought down an Empire of evil mages, She was killed by mages.
Her being a mage doesn't negate the message that magic must be contained and never free.
You wouldn't find it slightly ironic if it turns out that they worship the life of a saintly mage while oppressing all other mages because "all magic is evil and all mages are abominations waiting to happen"? I would find it very ironic and frankly hilarious. Double it if she's Dumat's OGB.
You wouldn't find it slightly ironic if it turns out that they worship the life of a saintly mage while oppressing all other mages because "all magic is evil and all mages are abominations waiting to happen"?
No, Because if it's true it still doesn't negate the fact a mage fought a war against mages to bring freedom to normal people from the oppression of magic.
If anything its a position the Chantry could state that "the only worthy mage to ever walk thedas was Andraste" She could be construed as the first "Loyalist".
Or that's my take on it, it isn't hypocritical to endorse a message, she herself would have.
No, Because if it's true it still doesn't negate the fact a mage fought a war against mages to bring freedom to normal people from the oppression of magic.
If anything its a position the Chantry could state that "the only worthy mage to ever walk thedas was Andraste" She could be construed as the first "Loyalist".
Or that's my take on it, it isn't hypocritical to endorse a message, she herself would have.
I find that to be very hypocritical. And you don't know if she would endorse it, maybe she would have considered it just as bad as slavery? We'll most likely never know.
It doesn't matter, to bad for you if you can't see the humor in it. I'll laugh for both of us if it comes to that.
Can't you find a lorebook theororizing that she's a mage in daO?
So yeah she could be a mage and maybe the maker was just a very powerful benevolent fade spirit she was in contact with but she's been dead so long there's probably no evidence either way
Yes, there's a book that explores the possibility of Andraste being a mage called "The Search for the True Prophet"; the copy that's found in Orzammar was saved from a fire.
Why would they?
She brought down an Empire of evil mages, She was killed by mages.
Her being a mage doesn't negate the message that magic must be contained and never free.
Her being a mage WOULD take away a lot of what the Chantry teaches on mages. That they must be controlled, that they MUST be in a Circle, that without the Circle they will inevitably become malifacarum, and that mages are responsible for the Blights.
If she was a mage, the rhetoric used against free mages causing blights and using blood magic will be a lot weaker because Andraste was a slave, never went to a circle, and so on.
It would also be a huge threat to the stories of the miracles she supposedly performed with the makers aid. It would cause questions, like did she really cause a draught or did she use fire spells to burn crops? Did she really meditate for days or did she walk in the Fade as a Somniari? These questions would lead to people questioning her divinity. And to do so would undermine the authority that the Chantry has when they act in both her's and the Maker's name.
Her being a mage would be an almost direct threat to the Chantry and their doctrine.
Her being a mage WOULD take away a lot of what the Chantry teaches on mages. That they must be controlled, that they MUST be in a Circle, that without the Circle they will inevitably become malifacarum, and that mages are responsible for the Blights.
If she was a mage, the rhetoric used against free mages causing blights and using blood magic will be a lot weaker because Andraste was a slave, never went to a circle, and so on.
She was the chosen of the Maker, a Prophet and closest to the God the majority of Thedas buys into.
Beyond that, she existed before those institutions did, Beyond that, Magic is already seen as a gift by the Maker if one that is often abused.
It would also be a huge threat to the stories of the miracles she supposedly performed with the makers aid. It would cause questions, like did she really cause a draught or did she use fire spells to burn crops? Did she really meditate for days or did she walk in the Fade as a Somniari? These questions would lead to people questioning her divinity. And to do so would undermine the authority that the Chantry has when they act in both her's and the Maker's name.
Her being a mage would be an almost direct threat to the Chantry and their doctrine.
Whom is to say physical manifestation are not will of the Divine, It goes into a matter of faith that, i don't see how it would be anymore different from what happens already with the religion of Andraste. Beyond that, She is not divine, she was the chosen of the Maker, She could call upon his grace, but none of the power was hers, She was only revered that highly by the Disciples of Andraste, whom forsook the Maker in favor of a High Dragon whom they gave a pet name.
Beyond that, How is it undermining Chantry authority, if anything it proves that the only true good intentioned mage who could manage their power has long since been gone from the world.
I really don't see it that way obviously.
It doesn't matter, to bad for you if you can't see the humor in it. I'll laugh for both of us if it comes to that.
Eh, Not a lot in Dragon Age makes me laugh to be honest.
Beyond that one line from Sassy Hawke in act two when that templar tells you to investigate the serial killer...
"It cannot be a coincidence? IT SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE A COINCIDENCE!"
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Eh, Not a lot in Dragon Age makes me laugh to be honest.
Beyond that one line from Sassy Hawke in act two when that templar tells you to investigate the serial killer...
"It cannot be a coincidence? IT SOUNDS EXACTLY LIKE A COINCIDENCE!"
And how wrong Hawke was. Leandra's The Walking Dead cameo could have been avoided.
Andraste being a mage wouldn't change things too much I think as some of the things she did are pretty much impossible for regular mages to do unless they resort to blood magic and from what I've seen there's been no suggestion that she used blood magic.
Andraste being a mage wouldn't change things too much I think as some of the things she did are pretty much impossible for regular mages to do unless they resort to blood magic and from what I've seen there's been no suggestion that she used blood magic.
And would take away some of the argument cullen makes that 'templars have authority over mages by divine right.'
If Andraste was a mage, then they could say that the templars cannot have authority over them by divine right because Andraste was not.
It's a line of thought that is a direct threat to Chantry and templar doctrine.
Even if we on the forums disagreed with that thought, it would not stop mages in-game from making that argument.
It doesn't matter, to bad for you if you can't see the humor in it. I'll laugh for both of us if it comes to that.
I don't find mocking other people's religions, even fictional ones, very humorous.
I'd rather they didn't go this route.
I'd rather they didn't go this route.
They may or they may not.
There's a lot of evidence supporting it in Origins, but not enough to be conclusive.
I actually hope this isn't the case. Them doing the "She was just a mage" card would really ruin the mystique about Andraste.
That's EXACTLY why I would love having them do that (and I - as the player in a future game - would love to rub it in...your religion is a lie - deal with it!)
greetings LAX
ps: Yeah, I had that Idea while playing, too (and it kind of like it...)
I don't find mocking other people's religions, even fictional ones, very humorous.
Hm...Mocking? - Well, it might not be fair, but it is certainly funny, even more if your mocking comes true (!)...I am not an "in your face" guy normally, but I am pretty open about being a non-believer (atheist/agnostic...I don't care for the label, I just don't believe in any gods or godesses (Sky-Father/Mother)...there's no conclusive evidence for - or against - them (!)...I will live my life to the best of my abilities and try to take the "good" path as much as I can (without really punishing myself by being too honest or gullible etc.) and IF - and I stress IF - I meet some god at them end of my life (when I am dead), I will let him/her or them judge me...I'd rather be an upfront skeptic/non-believer then a wretched pretender who is just going through the motions because anybody else around him/her does it (while thinking it is all crap))
If there is a good, I am sure he/she or they will cut us honest - but good - people some slack...and If there isn't any god, then it does not matter either way!
greetings LAX
Andraste being a mage wouldn't change things too much I think as some of the things she did are pretty much impossible for regular mages to do unless they resort to blood magic and from what I've seen there's been no suggestion that she used blood magic.
She could have just been aided by a powerful fade spirit, aka the maker. Or even an actual god.
But honestly what would it change? Even if the PC found out with 100% certainty that Andraste was a mage odds are no one would believe them, let alone be willing to retcon the chantry lore. So they'd at best start a small faction of people who believe Andraste was a mage which wouldn't change much about the setting.
I don't find mocking other people's religions, even fictional ones, very humorous.
I'm not going to apologize for finding humor in something you don't. If you can't appreciate the irony, fine that's ok. You don't need to find it funny. I use humor as a coping mechanism, I can find something to laugh about in most situations. It's not really about "mocking" anyone, and when/if I do step over the line and actually offend someone without meaning to, I usually am quick to apologize. And do feel free to "mock" my beliefs if you want, I can appreciate a good joke even if it's on me. What I don't like is when someone is trying to make me feel bad for finding something funny, you don't have the right to tell me what I can and can't laugh at. We obviously have a different sense of humor, I respect that. I hope that you do too.
That being said, I really don't like the Chantry, and I'll work against them if I can in my playthroughs. That doesn't stop anyone else from enjoying their pro-chantry/templar runs.
Hm...Mocking? - Well, it might not be fair, but it is certainly funny, even more if your mocking comes true (!)...I am not an "in your face" guy normally, but I am pretty open about being a non-believer (atheist/agnostic...I don't care for the label, I just don't believe in any gods or godesses (Sky-Father/Mother)...there's no conclusive evidence for - or against - them (!)...I will live my life to the best of my abilities and try to take the "good" path as much as I can (without really punishing myself by being too honest or gullible etc.) and IF - and I stress IF - I meet some god at them end of my life (when I am dead), I will let him/her or them judge me...I'd rather be an upfront skeptic/non-believer then a wretched pretender who is just going through the motions because anybody else around him/her does it (while thinking it is all crap))
If there is a good, I am sure he/she or they will cut us honest - but good - people some slack...and If there isn't any god, then it does not matter either way!
greetings LAX
And yet you still find time to mock others' faith... Certainly a "good" path you've chosen....
I'm going to vote against such a reveal on the basis of it being trite and cliche. It seems like every fantasy setting nowadays that doesn't go with Greek-style polytheism has a large, Catholic-esque church with dark rumors of mistaken beliefs and forgotten origins. If they aren't outright evil, they are generically useless, and are certainly never portrayed as having a point or being a positive influence in any way. The Andrastian Chantry fits that mold pretty well already, along with the Faith of the Seven from Game of Thrones, the Church of the Eternal Fire from the Witcher, and the Abbey of the Everyman from Dishonored, and I'd rather Bioware take a more original path.
I actually hope this isn't the case. Them doing the "She was just a mage" card would really ruin the mystique about Andraste.
and we will fall into the Ben 10 alien force cliche where everyone is an alien mage... i also hope this is not the case or be warned for the second furious turf... remember what happened with Anders script in dragon age 2 and Hepler? well it can still happen again.
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